Pornography doesn’t exploit.

[k]

Eudaimonist, if you dont know which genres sell the most how can you argue against me? Not being rude but an admission of ignorance speaks volumes about being able to speak on an issue.

 

[k]

Electric, you have no idea what i have seen or how much and to make that assumption is equitable to ignoring what iam saying in lieu of claiming it to be laughable. Iam not saying porn is rape only that they share an essential quality. To say women exert as much power as men is absurd on several levels. When you hear 'assault' you know automatically it's one woman having sex with several men. That's only one of several examples.

 

[k]

Porn is a reflection of our culture. Bisexuality of women isnt only accepted but encouraged. Gay women are chastised but not as much as gay men. Bisexuality among men is discouraged. Only women wear engagement rings. Women call their female friends 'girlfriends' but their male friends just friends. Guys dont call their guy friends 'boyfriends' because...there is a common thread running in these examples. What is it?

 

[quatona]

Iam not saying porn is rape only that they share an essential quality. To say women exert as much power as men is absurd on several levels. When you hear 'assault' you know automatically it's one woman having sex with several men. That's only one of several examples.

An example for what?

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Electric, you have no idea what i have seen or how much and to make that assumption is equitable to ignoring what iam saying in lieu of claiming it to be laughable.

I make that assumption based on your comments about it. If I said that Star Trek was about a hollywood movie star's hike through the mountains, you'd be justified in assuming that I haven't seen much Star Trek.

Iam not saying porn is rape only that they share an essential quality.

I know. And I said that you likened the two in one respect, and that to do so is laughable.

To say women exert as much power as men is absurd on several levels.

No, it's not, nor have you demonstrated it. Nor can you.

When you hear 'assault' you know automatically it's one woman having sex with several men.

Yup. That's one small area. Nor does it support your claim. How many movies like that have you seen? In every one I've seen, it's the woman who instigates, the woman who invites other men to join in, the woman who ends it. She is the one with the power, not the men.

That's only one of several examples.

I hope the other ones you have actually support your claim.

Porn is a reflection of our culture. Bisexuality of women isnt only accepted but encouraged. Gay women are chastised but not as much as gay men. Bisexuality among men is discouraged. Only women wear engagement rings. Women call their female friends 'girlfriends' but their male friends just friends. Guys dont call their guy friends 'boyfriends' because...there is a common thread running in these examples. What is it?

I've no idea. What is it?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Eudaimonist, if you dont know which genres sell the most how can you argue against me? Not being rude but an admission of ignorance speaks volumes about being able to speak on an issue.

Please answer my question.

I admit that I am not omniscient on this subject. Do you? Answering my question is the simplest way to level the playingfield and progress with the discussion.

You may find that I can argue very well without being a porncyclopedia. This debate is about the interpretation of facts just as much as the facts themselves. It is mainly your interpretation that I question.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[meebs]

When you hear 'assault' you know automatically it's one woman having sex with several men. That's only one of several examples.

An example for what?

A dream come true

 

[Eudaimonist]

A dream come true

Hehe! You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing...

Anyway, my serious reply to Neverstop is that the reason the word "assault" refers to many men and one woman is because it is a "gang" of penises that "bang" (IOW "thrust"). Vaginas don't "bang", since they receive. The usual interpretation of "assault" is built right into the visual metaphor produced by the word.

And it's not like porn has any lack of "one man, many women" interactions...


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[meebs]

Hehe! You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing...

edit:It also might help them realise that a lot of women are in the industry because they want to be.

(whatever my *ahem* fantasies, im not one for the cameras personly)

 

[k]

One admits a deep lack of knowledge on the subject yet is comfortable saying my interpretation is wrong-another just says what iam saying is laughable. There are plenty of professional sources out there explaining the harms of porn so if people want to find out they can.

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

Hehe! You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing...

Most mature adults are well are that both men and women are capable of desiring...anything. What I'm interested in is your language. Is there something wrong with innocence? Is there something bad about angels? Is there something good about nihilism as opposed to love?

 

[Lynden1000]

Most mature adults are well are that both men and women are capable of desiring...anything. What I'm interested in is your language. Is there something wrong with innocence? Is there something bad about angels? Is there something good about nihilism as opposed to love?

What if it's not what the person wants? If he or she wants to provide sexual favors in front of a camera for money, what business is it of yours?

 

[Lynden1000]

Eudaimonist, if you dont know which genres sell the most how can you argue against me? Not being rude but an admission of ignorance speaks volumes about being able to speak on an issue.

Now this is interesting. You are suggesting that only those who are experts in a field are qualified to make informed judgments or to critically evaluate a claim, or to argue a point.

Fine. Two questions:

1) Are you an expert on pornography?

2) Can you prove you are an expert on pornography by pointing out your academic credentials on the subject and/or peer-reviewed material you have published?

If any of the above is "no," then congratulations, you're on the same playing field as us.

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

What if it's not what the person wants? If he or she wants to provide sexual favors in front of a camera for money, what business is it of yours?

Firstly, it's not my business. Secondly, you didn't answer my question.

 

[quatona]

What I'm interested in is your language. Is there something wrong with innocence?

What gives you the idea there could be something wrong with it?

Is there something bad about angels?

Nothing, except that there are no angels, imo.

Is there something good about nihilism as opposed to love?

Funny comparison. Is there something good about raliway stations as opposed to apples?

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

What gives you the idea there could be something wrong with it?

Someone said: "You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing... "

To me that implies that being an innocent angel is a bad thing, or at least that giving women the benefit of the doubt is a foolish notion.

Funny comparison. Is there something good about railway stations as opposed to apples?

False analogy. A person interested in a gang bang in a porn movie is probably not looking for love, they are participating in a hedonistic act which implies no set values. In other words, anything goes and anything is good and proper so long as you want it. That's one of the basic underlying principles of nihilism. People looking for love don't generally participate in gang bangs on video. There is nothing absurd about my comparison.

 

[quatona]

Someone said: "You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing... "

To me that implies that being an innocent angel is a bad thing, or at least that giving women the benefit of the doubt is a foolish notion.

I fail to see how the statement implies the first.

False analogy. A person interested in a gang bang in a porn movie is probably not looking for love, they are participating in a hedonistic act which implies no set values.

The only thing one might conclude is that he is not looking for love at that particular point and in that particular activity.
When I am eating a cheese sandwich I am not looking for love in this particular activity either. Doesn´t mean I am not looking for love, though.

In other words, anything goes and anything is good and proper so long as you want it.

Doesn´t follow.

 

[meebs]

Most mature adults are well are that both men and women are capable of desiring...anything. What I'm interested in is your language. Is there something wrong with innocence? Is there something bad about angels? Is there something good about nihilism as opposed to love?

I agree not all people who have sex on video or not are looking for love.

Nothing wrong with innocence or disinterest in porn (male or female) either.

But face it, people act in or look at porn cos they like it. Nothing wrong with that (unless as we have stated, it harms other ie non-consenting adults/others)

 

[Eudaimonist]

Most mature adults are well are that both men and women are capable of desiring...anything.

Good, I'm glad we can agree on this.

What I'm interested in is your language. Is there something wrong with innocence? Is there something bad about angels?

My language? I was using common language for the purpose of communication, which I'm sure you've understood correctly.

I was talking about the illusions that one can have about other people. What's wrong with illusions is that they aren't true to reality, and so they distort one's thinking on a subject.

IMV, the reason some people interpret porn as being about male power and powerless, victimized women is because they can't imagine women having pornographic fantasies and the ability to give knowledgable consent to such fantasies, such as consenting to having a sexual experience with multiple men.

Thus the "blame" for such fantasies gets placed all on men -- the sexual horned men chase the sexless haloed women -- and so the men are perceived as the ones with all the power, and the women as the powerless victims.

When this illusion is shattered, it's not so clear that this interpretation of porn is correct.

Is there something good about nihilism as opposed to love?

I'm for love and meaningful relationships, however, that doesn't mean I have to see porn as being fundamentally about men's power over women.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Someone said: "You're shattering the poor illusions that conservatives have that women are innocent angels who would never, ever desire such a thing... "

To me that implies that being an innocent angel is a bad thing, or at least that giving women the benefit of the doubt is a foolish notion.

I don't see how you are getting that out of what I had written. For the record, I have nothing against innocence. I just want people to see women as they really are, instead of as they'd like them to be.


eudaimonia,

Mark