Pork

[Sephania]

Can we get these smilies to have a baby?

 

[ShirChadash]

Let's see...

what would a baby emote look like? Ahah, how about this?

 

[Sephania]

lol, see I want one that can laugh and wink at the same time.

 

[ShirChadash]

OH!


Well, unless I makey you one, I can't give ya one that does both because at this point I haven't seen one like that. :o

 

[Sephania]

Maybe Henaynei has one amoungst her 1.000's of smilies!

 

[Henaynei]

Maybe Henaynei has one amoungst her 1.000's of smilies!

my smilie capability is in serious default! this computer can't turn on and read the hard drive at the same time!! too slow, too old!

Good news - I JUSY went into debt and have purchased a new computer - a laptop - but it will be a while b efore I can go on line with it because I next need to purchase the program to transfer my stuff on this one to that one - since this one ONLY has a floppy drive and no USB port

But, soon and very soon I'll have my smilies back -- then WATCH out!!

 

[Sephania]

Standing by.........................

this computer can't turn on and read the hard drive at the same time!! too slow, too old!

This sounds like me.

 

[By Grace]

I'll ask again for anyone who wants to try.


If being non-kosher is equal to being non-torah-observant and therefore equal to "sin" then are we (the torah observant) not condemning everyone who doesn't observe Torah as being willfully defiant of G-d and therefore rebellious sinners?

Yod, I thought I would take a stab at this, to try to clarify a little for you. I think the problem with your statement is in distinguishing between the two groups as "non-Torah-observant" and "Torah observant." I don't think anyone here is completely Torah observant, except Yeshua, who is here to save rather than condemn. We're all "being willfully defiant of G-d and therefore rebellious sinners". Every one of us, even those who are aspiring to Torah observance. There are a lot of areas in my life where I'm not Torah observant in the least, even though I know better and would like to do better. But I'm just not there yet. I'm sure that everyone here has some area that needs more work. None of us are perfect, and so none of us can "cast the first stone."

And then there are Christians who don't recognize Torah. But most of the Christians I know still aspire to obey God, even if they don't know to call it Torah. If you have someone who just does not want to obey God on ANYthing, then that person may not be saved even if they say they are b/c they don't have a repentant heart and have no fruit to show for the goodness that should be in their hearts. But most Christians aren't like that. They try to obey on the things they understand to obey, and yet they fail on that, too.

Most Christians understand that it's important not to steal. But how many of those people take home office supplies from work for their own personal use? Or stand at the coffee pot chatting uselessly on company time? Most Christians understand that we shouldn't murder, and even know that being angry at our brother is equivalent to breaking the commandment to not murder. And yet, how many Christians do you know who tend to hold grudges? Who are still angry at their mothers for not being the kind of mother on Leave it to Beaver, or whatever? Or who are angry at their neighbors for letting the dog poop in their yard? Christians aren't even living up to the standards they understand that are set in the "NT". And yet, they're saved, b/c it's not through what we do, but through what Yeshua did, and what the Spirit continues to do in our hearts. So some of us here have been called to a different level of observance; that doesn't make us more "deserving" of our relationship with God. And I said "different level" on purpose. I don't think that kosher eating or biblical holidays are the most important commandments. I think they ARE important, but I think there are other things that are MORE important, and those are things that Christians tend to understand anyway. Things like supporting the poor and loving our neighbors and loving God. Yes, loving God is supposed to mean "keeping God's commandments." But none of us do that perfectly, not even Messianics. Even the parts of Torah that we understand and feel convicted on and do the best we can, we violate in some way at some time. I think it was Zemirah earlier who made the distinction between condemnation/accountability and repentance. The focus should be on our trying to grow closer to God, in whatever areas He is opening our eyes to. If He's not yet opened a person's eyes to kosher eating, I'm sure He's working on them in some other area. And even if He's totally working on me in kosher eating, then I still pop a shrimp every now and then, that's where more forgiveness comes in and more grace to do better next time.

And I don't think that "understanding an area of law" is equivalent to "being convicted to obey that law." The reason I say this is that there are lots of mitzvot I would like to obey, but I'm just not able to do it at this time. I've recently been struggling with Pesach. I would love to more fully clean my home of leaven. But I just can't! I'm trying, but it's just not happening like I would like it to. I know Torah says to do it a certain way, but I'm not there yet. But God knows I'm growing, and knows that I'm trying, and will continue to help me do better. So, even those Christians who have read that "to love God means to obey His commandments" and yet don't celebrate the biblical holidays or still have pepperoni pizza on Friday nights, are still saved by the grace of God. They're learning and growing in some area of their lives, even if they're not learning and growing in this area yet.

Okay, baby just woke up, so I gotta go.

 

[Beth-el girl]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to By Grace again.
Jill, That was wonderful. I strive to do the best I can and I am so glad we're judged by our Lord in the end! Because I fall way short in areas.
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[yod]

Thanks Jill

I appreciate your taking the time to write that.

And it is also my understanding of Romans 14.

 

[visionary]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to By Grace again.

why is it when someone comes out and nails it on the head we are run out of luck to rep them for it. [pong] [sign] Rep[/sign][/pong] So here is my rep to you.

 

[Sephania]

 

[Tishri1]

I know that G-d said in the Torah not to eat pork, but I was wondering, does anyone really know why? What if it was organic? What about shellfish too? What if they where only fed good food and were organic?

If it had to do with health reasons alone we wouldn't be allowed ANY food anymore hehehe

 

[Sephania]

THAT is for sure!

 

[MyLittleWonders]

Jill, here's my rep for you too:

[pong]REP!!![/pong]

That was so well said - todah for taking the time to write it all out!

 

[plum]

I like that a LOT.

REP!

and thank you for taking the time to write it out for all of us, not just brother Yod.

 

[Tishri1]

One good response to people who say that the Father has declared all food clean is to take them to the scriptures and determine what is food...some of the things eaten by people were never considered FOOD. Pork was never considered food, shellfish...not a food...bear,bunny,BBQ'd beagal...not a food. So if there is indeed a verse that declared all food clean...Definitions are benificial.

 

[Sephania]

That is very true, but then you have those who will look to find scripture to back up what they want to believe. Is it pride that keeps them from seeing, what they were taught, or what they thought it said? Or is it something else? stuborness, rebellion, misplaced loyalty? What keeps them from seeing the truth?

If it is the Chadasha going against Torah then this always helps to see clearly Hint: read this with the big booming voice thundering from the mountian in your mind )

I AM the L-RD , I change NOT!

Yeshua fulfilled the sacrifice for breaking the laws. if they were going to be done away with anyway, that would make what he did a vain thing, now wouldn't it?

 

[debi b]

[move][glow=Sienna]CATS - THE OTHER WHITE MEAT[/glow][/move]

 

[Sephania]

That reminds me of this Chinese resturant I knew of years ago, that was shut down because the health inspector found dead, frozen cats in their resturants freezer, now they insisted it was for private consumption, but hey, with all those other vegetables, and sauces, how could you tell the difference between that and pork,or chicken?