Pork

[Tishri1]

Having someone read word for word chapters 10 and 11 of Acts helps too. I did this with a friend and she saw with her own eyes that food was not the issue as she had been taught, and it also caused her to take a second look at everything she had been taught Halleluyah!

 

[By Grace]

I had some thoughts on this yesterday as I was running errands.

The dietary laws/health laws are just as relevant today as is the law of gravity (as someone mentioned already). But then someone may point out, "Wait! Look at what we can do today. We actually defy gravity by putting huge airplanes in the sky, by sending rockets to the moon, by building taller and taller skyscrapers. Why not defy the food laws, too?" But here's the thing. When we put an airplane in the sky, we don't defy gravity. On the contrary, we've come to understand gravity so well that we can use it to our advantage. The law of gravity is actually necessary in order to fly. A rocket can't direct the force of it's power without the pull of the earth to push against. A plane's wings aren't lifted without the heavier air underneath them. A skyscraper is held together by the pull of gravity to keep everything from floating into the air.

A person from 2,000 years ago, if you asked him, might define gravity as being the law that makes you fall when you jump off a cliff. He only sees the down side. You walk off a 100-ft cliff, you fall, hit the ground, and probably die. His disobedience results in his fallenness (pun intended) and therefore, his death. He sees gravity as being the penalty of death for trying to defy it. If you then showed him a person walk off a cliff while strapped to a hang glider, he might think that person had defied gravity. But in fact, the hang glider uses the law of gravity in order to keep the person in the air.

So, back to the food laws. Most people see the food laws as being only the penalty for disobeying, the eternal condemnation for which we've already been freed from. (However, there are still consequences.) A person who only understands the condemnation side, or down side, of the health laws only sees that people tend to get sick, people die too young, and people experience debilitation as they age. They don't understand that the very health laws that condemn us to death when we ignore them, also give us life and good health when we obey them. Introduce them to someone who, throughout their entire lives, has obeyed the health laws, and they're going to think that this person has actually defied the health laws, b/c they'll be so healthy. The healthy person never defied them, never assumed they no longer applied. Rather, the healthy person embraced these eternal food laws and learned to work with them to the person's own advantage: longevity, high energy, little to no sickness.

We, as a society, have put so much time, energy, and mental effort into utilizing the law of gravity to our advantage. What if we had put that much of our resources into understanding and obeying the health laws, which are just as enduring? Perhaps we'd already have found the cure for cancer, long ago. Perhaps AIDS would never have existed. We would all be living longer and be more productive in the meantime. We wouldn't lose all those sick days, or have much use for nursing homes. That's not to say people wouldn't be hurt in accidents or whatever. But even accidents would happen less frequently, as we would be more alert and able to react effectively to dangerous situations.

The health laws are just as much a part of our existence as gravity is. Try to defy gravity, you get hurt. Try to defy the health laws, you get hurt. You can't really defy them--you can live in ignorance or denial, but eventually, you'll suffer the consequences with poor health, less energy, less productivity, less enjoyment of life, and ultimately, earlier and/or more painful death. God put these laws in Torah for a very good reason--He knew that we needed to know them AND obey them in order to more fully enjoy His creation. And it's the same with all the other laws.

Today, science is finally beginning to discover the wisdom of the dietary laws. A few decades ago, people may have thought you were crazy for giving up pork (many do still today). But science is discovering how dangerous pork really is, how destructive to our well-being. And I think it's the same with ALL of God's laws. Just b/c we may not understand the value of some of them, doesn't mean they're not there for our benefit. I think it would behoove us as a species to embrace the rules of the Creator, rather than always trying to get around them. We see ourselves as being so superior to the animals and plants. But all the rest of creation obeys God's laws without so much as a question or doubt. Why can't we see the wisdom in that? Why are we so focused on the condemnation side, yet blinded to the benefits that these laws offer? We put so much of our limited time and energy into serving ourselves, our own selfish desires, that we miss the whole point of life. Kohelet, after searching his entire life for the meaning of life, and not finding it in riches or money or success or even in knowledge or wisdom, put it well: "Here is the final conclusion, now that you have heard everything: fear God, and keep his mitzvot; this is what being human is all about." (12:13)

(Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir , but this was making so much sense to me yesterday! )

 

[Sephania]

On Jill, it is very good! This makes me think of something I have to do later today. I just got a phone call from friend who has been admitted to the hospital with chest pains. He told me that he had them for 3 days in a row and then the nytro stopped helping. He is awaiting results right now. But as soon as I heard what popped into my mind is that recently he has done just that, defied what he knows to be right and has been eating trief things. I have been trying to help him and his wife, even going to the extent of buying them all kinds of groceries that were all kosher and teaching them to read the different heckshers. But he has been stubborn, and I think HaShem is dealing with this now and I feel as if he is telling me that I need to point this out to him, and I am not looking forward to this, especially in this situation, but if he says "do it", do it I must.

 

[By Grace]

Oh, Z, that makes me think of my dad. He's in the hospital right now with heart problems, too. (We're hoping it will turn out to be nothing serious.) But for the past few years, he has been on all kinds of "diets" to try to lower his cholesterol and lose weight, incl. that Atkins diet with lots of meat (like bacon) and literally pounds of Splenda and almost no bread. Maybe I should say something to him, too. I've not mentioned any of my beliefs to him b/c he's been so busy with work. Maybe now's a good time...

 

[Sephania]

Maybe this L-RD has been waiting for just such a time as this.Some won't listen until they hit the "bottom" so to speak, and then they are willing, contrite, as we all must be. Don't be afraid, if the L-RD wants this, he will have prepared his ( spiritual) heart to receive, just be open to let the L-RD speak through you, you only have to open your mouth and start the conversation and the L-RD will take over.

 

[visionary]

That is what the times of troubles are for, refining so that we become pure< "Lord Help us."

 

[visionary]

Oh, Z, that makes me think of my dad. He's in the hospital right now with heart problems, too. (We're hoping it will turn out to be nothing serious.) But for the past few years, he has been on all kinds of "diets" to try to lower his cholesterol and lose weight, incl. that Atkins diet with lots of meat (like bacon) and literally pounds of Splenda and almost no bread. Maybe I should say something to him, too. I've not mentioned any of my beliefs to him b/c he's been so busy with work. Maybe now's a good time...

magnesium will help keep the cholesterol from adhering to the walls of the arteries. Chelated magnesuim is best as it is small enough to do a lot more than ordinary magnesium will do. Works like roto router in the arteries.

 

[aleph-bet]

So, back to the food laws. Most people see the food laws as being only the penalty for disobeying, the eternal condemnation for which we've already been freed from. (However, there are still consequences.) A person who only understands the condemnation side, or down side, of the health laws only sees that people tend to get sick, people die too young, and people experience debilitation as they age. They don't understand that the very health laws that condemn us to death when we ignore them, also give us life and good health when we obey them. Introduce them to someone who, throughout their entire lives, has obeyed the health laws, and they're going to think that this person has actually defied the health laws, b/c they'll be so healthy. The healthy person never defied them, never assumed they no longer applied. Rather, the healthy person embraced these eternal food laws and learned to work with them to the person's own advantage: longevity, high energy, little to no sickness.


The health laws are just as much a part of our existence as gravity is. Try to defy gravity, you get hurt. Try to defy the health laws, you get hurt. You can't really defy them--you can live in ignorance or denial, but eventually, you'll suffer the consequences with poor health, less energy, less productivity, less enjoyment of life, and ultimately, earlier and/or more painful death. God put these laws in Torah for a very good reason--He knew that we needed to know them AND obey them in order to more fully enjoy His creation. And it's the same with all the other laws.

)

Right on!

 

[plum]

I just received "Holy Cow! Does God Care About What We Eat?" by Hope Eagen in the mail two days ago! I haven't been able to put it down. It's gotten me some really funny looks between classes. lol.

I'm just so excited to learn more about the WHY behind my kosher eating. btw, i've been eating biblically kosher for almost 3 months now and I can't say my health is sooo much better, but just thinking about the food I'm putting into my body and how G-d designed it... causes me to praise G-d even more! He is in love with me!
Thank you HaShem!

 

[Torah]

It’s “all” good
Have you ever notice how one word jumps out at you? . I remember a, word puzzle game that used the word if 12 times in a short poem. But when you read the poem I could only see the word if, 6 times. To find all 12 if’, one must stop and study what they are reading.
God’s word is the same way. We read verses like Matthew 5: 17.
And think the word fulfill means do away with. When in fact the word abolish means to do away with. And as we can see Jesus did not come to abolish.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Meaning of the word Law: (Torah= teaching).
Strong’s Concordance
Law: Torah = Teaching
Page 123, 8451 Torah: from 3384
Page 52, 3384 Yarah Teaching, Inform, Point out, (as if by aiming)
The law is to teach, point us to, and aim us at. A way to live a Godley life. A Holy- (separate) life from the world.
The meaning of the word fulfill is. (Bring to actuality: meet a requirement).
In other words Jesus is the reality and has meet all the necessary condition’s to teach us how to live a Godly life from the Law by his actions.
Meaning of the word abolish is: (to do away with; put an end to.)
(All word definition comes from the Holt Dictionary)

When it comes to what we call food. We have the same thinking.
We say it’s all good! We skip over key words. Lets take 1 Tim 4: 3-5. We must understand what God call’s food. And what the Roman called food.
1 Tim 4: 3-5 they forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain [1] foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth?
For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is
[2] consecrated (holy) by the word of God and prayer.

([1] What animals did God create to be used as food?)
God did not; create all animals to be called food. Lev 11:1-47
The LORD said… 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: (call food.) If it is not on the list it is not even called food.

([2] What food is made consecrated (holy) by the word of G-d?)
Lev 11: 44 I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground.

1 Tim 4: 3-5 is a warning. At the end of time some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits. They forbid people [priest] to marry. And not to eat kosher food that God created. [Friday fish] This could have been speaking of the Roman Catholic Church’.

Peters Vision is a very good example of miss reading key word.
This scripture is about a Gentile named Cornelius. He and all his family were God-fearing; Gentiles. Who believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He gave generously to those in need (giving to the poor is a Jewish commandment) and prayed to God regularly. (Jewish prayer is at 9:00 in the morning, 12:00 noon, 3:00 in the afternoon.) One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. The angel of God told Cornelius to send for Peter who was staying at Simon the tanner.
[acts 10: 7] “Cornelius called two of his servants and a devout soldier who was one of his attendants”.
Three Gentiles went to Simon home.
Acts 10: 9-17
About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.
Peter saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
This happened three times, (Three Gentiles went to Simon home)
This scripture is misread to say, “God say’s! It is actable to eat things that: God has not called food.”
While Peter was [wondering] about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon's house was and stopped at the gate.
If it is so clear that Peter’s vision is about eating unclean animals. Why is Peter wondering about the meaning of the vision? By the way! Peter NEVER did kill and eat the impure or unclean animals.
Peter knows what animals God call’s food. And he knows that these things are not to even be called food. BUT!
God makes clear the meaning of the vision.

Acts 10: 28 He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.
This is why there were three Gentiles that went to Simon home.
And Peter’s vision happens three times. It was not about eating things that God did not call food. It was about not excepting Gentiles in, because they are not Jewish.
(Jewish belief is that Messiah would come to the Jew only. If a gentile wanted part of the Messiah [have salvation] he had to go through the ritual of being circumcised first.)

Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism. But accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
Do what is right? (The law teaches us what is RIGHT and what is wrong.
It’s up to us to follow it.)

What is food? This is what God says is food.
Lev 11: 46-47
"'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground.
You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.'" (FOOD.)


GOD declares what animals are to be called food in Lev chapter 11. And Jesus, Peter, and Paul will not say otherwise. The word food=kosher=clean all mean the same thing. It’s what we can eat as food. To say kosher food is like saying food, food.

Rom 14: 1 is another versa that is missed understood. It is used to call excitable what God calls unacceptable
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [6] He who eats meat eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

[1] Disputable matters: If God says in his word this you can eat, and this you cannot eat. Then it is not a disputable matter.
So! Roman chapter 14 is about people who eat only vegetables. And the people who eat kosher meat, Looking down on him who does not eat kosher meat. This is a Disputable matters. Because the law- Torah does not say you cant eat only vegetables.
Rom 14: 14
As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no (kosher) food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

[20] Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of (kosher) food. All (kosher) food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
What Paul is saying “vegetables or meat” its all-kosher food so lets move on in the Lord!

SEE IT SAY”S “do not let anyone judge you by what you eat
Taking this verse out of context some would say that it is OK to eat what God said is not food. It also says “what you drink!” wine & beer ok?.
Col 2: 16-17 therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
The reality is that Jesus reflects a shadow on how to live a Godley life. He ate (kosher) food, and drank wine; He kept all religious festivals. And Jesus kept the Saturday Sabbath, Passover Sabbath, Yom Kippur Sabbath, and Sukkoth Sabbath. Jesus reflects these shadows for us to follow. In other word, W, W, J, D and let no one judge for it.

But didn’t Jesus say all food is clean. Or did he?
Mark 7: 1-3
The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and
Saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed.
(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. (They believe demons hang onto people’s hands.
This is a man-made tradition and not in Torah.)
18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him’ unclean'?
Jesus was talking to Jews. What they were eating was not the issue. It was the ceremonial unclean hands that made the kosher food unclean. According to there man made tradition.
19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
This verse is not in the original text.
In the preface in the front of your Bible it says.
“To achieve clarity the translators sometimes supplied words not in the original texts, it is enclosed in brackets.” (,)
[Clarity from whose point of view?]
Jesus never said. (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Yea! But all the (kosher) food teaching is for the Jew only.
Gentiles only have to do what it says in Acts 15: 19-21!
19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from (kosher) food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Acts 15: Is about Gentiles who had converted to the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These are new believing Gentiles who know nothing or very little of the Torah. And in order not to make it difficult or Overburden the Gentiles all at once with to much teaching / Torah. The Council of Jerusalem wisely Give the Gentiles Just what they needed to start out with. All these teaching are from the first five books. (Torah) Lev 17:10-14, Lev 18: & Lev 11: These teaching art mostly about eating. So that the Jew & Gentiles could have table fellowship together, then! The Gentiles could be taught about Torah. The preaching of Moses (Torah) went on in ever synagogue on every seventh day Sabbath. And the Gentiles could get together with their Jewish brothers after Sabbath service and Eat together. And discuss Torah.
As scripture says! “Be Holy- (sprat from the world, and that includes what we eat.) because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground.
Shalom yall.

 

[jontinoregon]

Torah,
Great explanation! Thank you.

 

[Snow Angel]

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to
Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying,
These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat
among all the beasts that [are] on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is
clovenfooted, [and] cheweth the cud, among
the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of
them that chew the cud, or of them that divide
the hoof: [as] the camel, because he cheweth
the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he [is]
unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the
cud, but divideth not the hoof; he [is] unclean
unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the
cud, but divideth not the hoof; he [is] unclean
unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof,
and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the
cud; he [is] unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their
carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean
to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that [are] in the
waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the
waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them
shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in
the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in
the waters, and of any living thing which [is]
in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination
unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto
you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall
have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in
the waters, that [shall be] an abomination
unto you.
13 And these [are they which] ye shall have
in abomination among the fowls; they shall
not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the
eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his
kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and
the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant,
and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the
gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind,
and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon [all]
four, [shall be] an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying
creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four,
which have legs above their feet, to leap withal
upon the earth;
22 [Even] these of them ye may eat; the
locust after his kind, and the bald locust after
his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the
grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all [other] flying creeping things,
which have four feet, [shall be] an
abomination unto you.
24 And for these ye shall be unclean:
whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall
be unclean until the even.
25 And whosoever beareth [ought] of the
carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be
unclean until the even.
26 [The carcases] of every beast which
divideth the hoof, and [is] not clovenfooted,
nor cheweth the cud, [are] unclean unto you:
every one that toucheth them shall be
unclean.
27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws,
among all manner of beasts that go on [all]
four, those [are] unclean unto you: whoso
toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until
the even.
28 And he that beareth the carcase of them
shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until
the even: they [are] unclean unto you.
29 These also [shall be] unclean unto you
among the creeping things that creep upon
the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the
tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and
the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
31 These [are] unclean to you among all
that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when
they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
32 And upon whatsoever [any] of them,
when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be
unclean; whether [it be] any vessel of wood,
or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever
vessel [it be], wherein [any] work is done, it
must be put into water, and it shall be unclean
until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto
[any] of them falleth, whatsoever [is] in it
shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
34 Of all meat which may be eaten, [that]
on which [such] water cometh shall be
unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in
every [such] vessel shall be unclean.
35 And every [thing] whereupon [any part]
of their carcase falleth shall be unclean;
[whether it be] oven, or ranges for pots, they
shall be broken down: [for] they [are]
unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.
36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, [wherein
there is] plenty of water, shall be clean: but
that which toucheth their carcase shall be
unclean.
37 And if [any part] of their carcase fall
upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it
[shall be] clean.
38 But if [any] water be put upon the seed,
and [any part] of their carcase fall thereon, it
[shall be] unclean unto you.
39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat,
die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall
be unclean until the even.
40 And he that eateth of the carcase of it
shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until
the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it
shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until
the even.
41 And every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it
shall not be eaten.
42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and
whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or
whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping
things that creep upon the earth, them ye
shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.
43 Ye shall not make yourselves
abominable with any creeping thing that
creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves
unclean with them, that ye should be defiled
thereby.
44 For I [am] the LORD your God: ye shall
therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be
holy; for I [am] holy: neither shall ye defile
yourselves with any manner of creeping thing
that creepeth upon the earth.
45 For I [am] the LORD that bringeth you
up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God:
ye shall therefore be holy, for I [am] holy.
46 This [is] the law of the beasts, and of
the fowl, and of every living creature that
moveth in the waters, and of every creature
that creepeth upon the earth:
47 To make a difference between the
unclean and the clean, and between the beast
that may be eaten and the beast that may not
be eaten.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Baruch HaShem,

Very well in explaining what scripture says Torah.

Shabbat Shalom,

Tag

 

[plum]

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