Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[angellica]

Really? I don't need to demand the right to lie. I, by virtue of there being no law compelling me to be truthful, have the right to lie. It would be the same as wandering the streets demanding the right to freedom of speech. I already have it, that would just be stupid.

So, I ask again, why aren't you opposing freedom of religion, the worship of idols, the worship of other gods? Why aren't you fighting to make your morality the law? Why are homosexuals such a threat that they, and they almost alone, must be opposed at every turn?

Other religions aren't asking us to condone their beliefs. We "allow" other religions, just like we "allow" people to be gay, but the gays want us to recognize that relationship as a marriage. Other religions aren't asking us to preach their form of the gospel. There may be other reasons, but right now that's just what popped into my head.

 

[bsd13]

So, are any of you guys going to actually take the time to give me a real answer? The one I was given before (not by you, angellica) was a bunch of nonsense about people protesting for the right to lie.

After Christmas is over I'll jump back into the mire of this little debate. In the meantime I will bow out to show respect for the Lord. May the God of all mercies show you the blessings of His holy Name!

 

[b&wpac4]

Other religions aren't asking us to condone their beliefs. We "allow" other religions, just like we "allow" people to be gay, but the gays want us to recognize that relationship as a marriage. Other religions aren't asking us to preach their form of the gospel. There may be other reasons, but right now that's just what popped into my head.

That word "allow" there is really, really bad. As if you could snap your fingers and disallow it. Your attitude goes against the very concepts that the United States were founded on.

People aren't allowed to practice their religion because the Christians allow them to, they are allowed to because we believe in the fundamental right for them to be able to. The founding fathers understood that if you promote one religion above the others or don't provide the freedom to practice freely, that their ability to be "allowed" to practice their religion the way they saw fit could be taken away.

You do realize that the same faith and belief that you are correct in your religion is shared by Muslims for their religion, or Jews for their religion? We can't prove any one to be the "correct" one, yet you use the word "allow" as if they are less than you somehow. What if I said I "allow" you to be a Christian? How does that sound?

Homosexuals that want the right to marry, and according to the Supreme Court of the United States in Loving vs Virginia is it a right. How can we deny them that right? They are not asking you to endorse their marriage, or bless it, or even participate in it. They are only asking that they are afforded the same rights as everybody else. I truly do not understand where you are coming from.

What if someone decided you couldn't get married? How would you feel about that? Don't jump up on your soapbox about how you'd want to marry a man, and that's how it's always been, and hasn't the past just been find and dandy because it hasn't been fine and dandy.

In 1967, a black man and a white woman (or a black woman and a white man), could not be married in sixteen states. The SAME arguments against gay marriage were used then. People considered it to be an affront to God or against the "natural order of things". Do you consider that marriage to be wrong for some reason? I would guess not since our culture has moved on since then.

Why are you so caught up in this anyway? What is the threat? What is the problem? Do you really think the US will fall into the sea if we grant people marriage rights?

 

[QuakerOats]

Other religions aren't asking us to condone their beliefs. We "allow" other religions, just like we "allow" people to be gay, but the gays want us to recognize that relationship as a marriage. Other religions aren't asking us to preach their form of the gospel. There may be other reasons, but right now that's just what popped into my head.

Actually, that's a good argument for same-sex marriage. Legally, to count as a religion, a group has to appeal to have their beliefs and practices legitimatized. Thus, if government recognition is 'condoning' someone's beliefs, as you say, then you've contradicted yourself. Either way, whether we 'condone' or 'allow' different religions, why not different marriages? It's the same principle, really.

 

[angellica]

I put "allow" in quotes because I meant allow as in we tolerate it, as in we don't contest that right. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better word when I wrote it.

But anyway, the question was why do churches not argue about other religions being free to practice and things like that instead of focusing on gay marriage. So that's my opinion of why.

 

[b&wpac4]

I put "allow" in quotes because I meant allow as in we tolerate it, as in we don't contest that right. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better word when I wrote it.

But anyway, the question was why do churches not argue about other religions being free to practice and things like that instead of focusing on gay marriage. So that's my opinion of why.

Islam doesn't try to promote itself? They are a religion that likes to spread.

If you don't think Mormonism is Christianity, they try to spread.

Why can't you just leave people to live their lives as they choose, in peace, and avoid the things you disagree with?

I ask again, what harm would come to YOU if we allowed gay marriage?

 

[OllieFranz]

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about homosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call something in His image an abomination?

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about heterosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call an abomination something in His image?

 

[KCKID]

I put "allow" in quotes because I meant allow as in we tolerate it, as in we don't contest that right. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better word when I wrote it.

Your use of the word 'tolerate' is also incorrect ...

It should be 'accept'.

Anyway, I'm sure that we all know what you mean.

 

[angellica]

Islam doesn't try to promote itself? They are a religion that likes to spread.

If you don't think Mormonism is Christianity, they try to spread.

Why can't you just leave people to live their lives as they choose, in peace, and avoid the things you disagree with?

I ask again, what harm would come to YOU if we allowed gay marriage?

Marriage is one of the foundations of our society. There would be a shift in society and the way they view family and marriage if we are to change the core definition of it. It would be ingrained on my future (possibly) kids as an acceptable way of life. It would be more prominently displayed and accepted. There's no need to change it, in my opinion, so if I were to vote on it I would vote against gay marriage.

 

[KCKID]

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about heterosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call an abomination something in His image?

Actually, if the truth be known, there is no biblical support at all for 'heterosexually' per se. As with the term 'homosexuality' it is nowhere found in the Bible.

 

[angellica]

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about heterosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call an abomination something in His image?

I've never seen that. What verse?

 

[angellica]

Actually, if the truth be known, there is no biblical support at all for 'heterosexually' per se. As with the term 'homosexuality' it is nowhere found in the Bible.

Right, the word "heterosexually" is not in the Bible. It does, however, mention sex, homosexual sex, and marriage.

 

[angellica]

Your use of the word 'tolerate' is also incorrect ...

It should be 'accept'.

Anyway, I'm sure that we all know what you mean.

Accept implies that I agree with or support it as well. Tolerate it means I can put up with it, which I do. So I think tolerate was the right word. Some may accept it, but I tolerate it.

 

[KCKID]

Right, the word "heterosexually" is not in the Bible. It does, however, mention sex, homosexual sex, and marriage.

I hate to be a pain in the butt but I don't see the word 'sex' in the Bible either.

 

[angellica]

I hate to be a pain in the butt but I don't see the word 'sex' in the Bible either.

I don't think you hate it .

 

[b&wpac4]

I don't think you hate it .

Ok... why can't you "tolerate" homosexual marriage? You tolerate the other "offenses to God". Why is this one sticky for you?

 

[KCKID]

Accept implies that I agree with or support it as well. Tolerate it means I can put up with it, which I do. So I think tolerate was the right word. Some may accept it, but I tolerate it.

I thought you were more generalizing (re society) and not making this a personal thing. So, fair enough.

 

[angellica]

Ok... why can't you "tolerate" homosexual marriage? You tolerate the other "offenses to God". Why is this one sticky for you?

I "tolerate" gayness or gay acts or whatever, just like I "tolerate" alcoholics or I "tolerate" whatever else. Marriage is overstepping the boundaries of what I can tolerate. In other words, if you do it in your own privacy I don't care, but if you want me to recognize it as acceptable or whatever, I can't.

The marriage part of being gay is what makes the gay part go from tolerate to accept.

 

[KCKID]

I don't think you hate it .

Oh, you can see right through me ...

 

[Nihilismus]

I don't think you hate it .

Whoa...was this a genuine joke?