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Pope, King of the world?

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There is no doubt as Constantine's amalgamated faith, he seemed to have preferred a mix of Paganism and Christianity. What is very revealing is that the first Sunday in history was enacted by him, but it was not dedicated to the "Son" (Jesus), but to "the venerable day of the Sun"! And we know that the Sun god worship is clearly pagan throughout human history.

What I find ironic about posts of this nature is that in trying to discredit Catholcism in some way by using Constantine and Paganism you fail to recognize that you are validating the Catholic Church was organized and alive in Constantine's time. I find it fully ironic because you cannot validate the SDA and any other were around. :D
 
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What I find ironic about posts of this nature is that in trying to discredit Catholcism in some way by using Constantine and Paganism you fail to recognize that you are validating the Catholic Church was organized and alive in Constantine's time. I find it fully ironic because you cannot validate the SDA and any other were around. :D
That is where you are wrong; You called us heretics and Judaizing Christians. We were called heretics because we would not accept the new doctrines being introduced.
 
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That is where you are wrong; You called us heretics and Judaizing Christians. We were called heretics because we would not accept the new doctrines being introduced.

Where did I call you or any one else a heretic or "judaizing christian" (whatever that means)?
 
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:D HOGWASH!!!!
while it may seem quite questionable it (pope=lawless one) was the historical view from the reformation forward at least until the revised WCoF was done.
 
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What I find ironic about posts of this nature is that in trying to discredit Catholcism in some way by using Constantine and Paganism you fail to recognize that you are validating the Catholic Church was organized and alive in Constantine's time. I find it fully ironic because you cannot validate the SDA and any other were around. :D
Are they related to Messianics and Ebionites? :confused:

http://www.ebionite.org/

The Ebionites are the Genuine People of the New Covenant
Unless you are an Ebionite
You Cannot be a Disciple of Yeshua/Jesus

The Ebionite Community is the living continuation of the Jewish religious movement of Jesus. Christianity is the religion of Paul and others, and not part of the biblical faith and revelation of the God of Israel nor is it of Jesus. (Please note that we have used "Jesus" to clarify for our Christian readers. We call him Yeshua or Yahshua, and will use Yeshua from this point on in the site.)

We declare the man Paul of Tarsus, the false teacher against the mark of Covenant and God's Torah, to be outside of the Way taught by Yeshua, the anointed, son of Maria and Yosef. The Ebionite Community is the only real "mission to the gentiles."
 
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while it may seem quite questionable it (pope=lawless one) was the historical view from the reformation forward at least until the revised WCoF was done.


Martin Luther was know for flipping and flopping. One year the Pope was better than mashed potatoes and the next year the Pope was the anti-christ... I wonder if he ever did come to one thing to believe and stick with it? Some think he wanted to be Catholic again before he died...
 
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:D HOGWASH!!!!


hogwash.jpg
http://joycedesignsinc.com/images/hogwash.jpg
 
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Martin Luther was know for flipping and flopping. One year the Pope was better than mashed potatoes and the next year the Pope was the anti-christ... I wonder if he ever did come to one thing to believe and stick with it? Some think he wanted to be Catholic again before he died...

ah, yes. The elusive deathbed conversion story. :eheh:
 
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For Christ is of those who are humble-minded, and not of those who exalt themselves over His flock. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Sceptre of the majesty of God, did not come in the pomp of pride or arrogance, although He might have done so, but in a lowly condition, as the Holy Spirit had declared regarding Him. For He says, "Lord, who hath believed our report, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed ? We have declared [our message] in His presence: He is, as it were, a child, and like a root in thirsty ground; He has no form nor glory, yea, we saw Him, and He had no form nor comeliness; but His form was without eminence, yea, deficient in comparison with the [ordinary] form of men. He is a man exposed to stripes and suffering, anti acquainted with the endurance of grief: for His countenance was turned away; He was despised, and not esteemed. He bears our iniquities, and is in sorrow for our sakes; yet we supposed that [on His own account] He was exposed to labour, and stripes, and affliction. But He was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we were healed. All we, like sheep, have gone astray; [every] man has wandered in his own way; and the Lord has delivered Him up for our sins, while He in the midst of His sufferings openeth not His mouth. He was brought as a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before her shearer is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. In His humiliation His judgment was taken away; who shall declare His generation? for His life is taken from the earth. For the transgressions of my people was He brought down to death. And I will give the wicked for His sepulchre, and the rich for His death? because He did no iniquity, neither was guile found in His mouth. And the Lord is pleased to purify Him by stripes. If ye make an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed. And the Lord is pleased to relieve Him of the affliction of His soul, to show Him light, and to form Him with understanding, to justify the Just One who ministereth well to many; and the Himself shall carry their sins. On this account He shall inherit many, and shall divide the spoil of the strong; because His soul was delivered to death, and He was reckoned among the transgressors, and He bare the sins of many, and for their sins was He delivered." And again He saith, "I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All that see Me have derided Me; they have spoken with their lips; they have wagged their head, [saying] He hoped in God, let Him deliver Him, let Him save Him, since He delighteth in Him." Ye see, beloved, what is the example which has been given us; for if the Lord thus humbled Himself, what shall we do who have through Him come under the yoke of His grace ?

from the first letter of clement to the corinthians

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/1clement.htm
 
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The Saints As Examples Of Humility

Let us be imitators also of those who in goat-skins and sheep-skins went about proclaiming the coming of Christ; I mean Elijah, Elisha, and Ezekiel among the prophets, with those others to whom a like testimony is borne [in Scripture]. Abraham was specially honoured, and was called the friend of God; yet he, earnestly regarding the glory of God, humbly declared, "I am but dust and ashes." Moreover, it is thus written of Job, "Job was a righteous man, and blameless, truthful, God-fearing, and one that kept himself from all evil." But bringing an accusation against himself, he said, " No man is free from defilement, even if his life be but of one day."Moses was called faithful in all God's house; and through his instrumentality, God punished Egypt with plagues and tortures. Yet he, though thus greatly honoured, did not adopt lofty language, but said, when the divine oracle came to him out of the bush, "Who am I, that Thou sendest me ? I am a man of a feeble voice and a slow tongue." And again he said, "I am but as the smoke of a pot."



claiming that your church is the only true church and exalting certain men above others is not humility
 
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For Christ is of those who are humble-minded, and not of those who exalt themselves over His flock. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Sceptre of the majesty of God, did not come in the pomp of pride or arrogance, although He might have done so, but in a lowly condition, as the Holy Spirit had declared regarding Him. For He says, "Lord, who hath believed our report, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed ? We have declared [our message] in His presence: He is, as it were, a child, and like a root in thirsty ground; He has no form nor glory, yea, we saw Him, and He had no form nor comeliness; but His form was without eminence, yea, deficient in comparison with the [ordinary] form of men. He is a man exposed to stripes and suffering, anti acquainted with the endurance of grief: for His countenance was turned away; He was despised, and not esteemed. He bears our iniquities, and is in sorrow for our sakes; yet we supposed that [on His own account] He was exposed to labour, and stripes, and affliction. But He was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we were healed. All we, like sheep, have gone astray; [every] man has wandered in his own way; and the Lord has delivered Him up for our sins, while He in the midst of His sufferings openeth not His mouth. He was brought as a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before her shearer is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. In His humiliation His judgment was taken away; who shall declare His generation? for His life is taken from the earth. For the transgressions of my people was He brought down to death. And I will give the wicked for His sepulchre, and the rich for His death? because He did no iniquity, neither was guile found in His mouth. And the Lord is pleased to purify Him by stripes. If ye make an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed. And the Lord is pleased to relieve Him of the affliction of His soul, to show Him light, and to form Him with understanding, to justify the Just One who ministereth well to many; and the Himself shall carry their sins. On this account He shall inherit many, and shall divide the spoil of the strong; because His soul was delivered to death, and He was reckoned among the transgressors, and He bare the sins of many, and for their sins was He delivered." And again He saith, "I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All that see Me have derided Me; they have spoken with their lips; they have wagged their head, [saying] He hoped in God, let Him deliver Him, let Him save Him, since He delighteth in Him." Ye see, beloved, what is the example which has been given us; for if the Lord thus humbled Himself, what shall we do who have through Him come under the yoke of His grace ?

from the first letter of clement to the corinthians

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/1clement.htm


:amen:


The Pope and many Bishops have done a great job at following Jesus Christ and one of their titels is Servant of Servants. When I was reading your post about Jesus being humble and being a servant and such, it reminded me of how many righteous men have been bishops and the Catholic Church and were great examples of trying to live a life like Jesus.

Again, :amen:
 
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The Saints As Examples Of Humility

Let us be imitators also of those who in goat-skins and sheep-skins went about proclaiming the coming of Christ; I mean Elijah, Elisha, and Ezekiel among the prophets, with those others to whom a like testimony is borne [in Scripture]. Abraham was specially honoured, and was called the friend of God; yet he, earnestly regarding the glory of God, humbly declared, "I am but dust and ashes." Moreover, it is thus written of Job, "Job was a righteous man, and blameless, truthful, God-fearing, and one that kept himself from all evil." But bringing an accusation against himself, he said, " No man is free from defilement, even if his life be but of one day."Moses was called faithful in all God's house; and through his instrumentality, God punished Egypt with plagues and tortures. Yet he, though thus greatly honoured, did not adopt lofty language, but said, when the divine oracle came to him out of the bush, "Who am I, that Thou sendest me ? I am a man of a feeble voice and a slow tongue." And again he said, "I am but as the smoke of a pot."


:amen:

Again I am reminded of many great men and women in Catholcism that have lived such an exemplary life of sacrifice trying to imitate our Lord Jesus Christ.

Saint Francis Assisi
Saint Theresa
and so many more....

So again, :amen:
 
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Ok. Question. Is there any historicle writings that a Pope actually proclaimed himself a King of the World. Just curious
 
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