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Pope, King of the world?

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JacktheCatholic

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The way the church handled the pedophile case most certainly can be...Because they failed to follow discipline guides layed out throughout scripture.

You are equating a few men, even though shephards, with that of the whole church and it's teachings. That is exactly what I was saying with Judas Iscariot being the representation of all Christianity.

I agree that some Bishops did not act as they should have. I agree that some priests were and maybe still are very wicked. But it does not stand to reason to condemn the whole for the bad actions of only a small part. At most I would say something needed to be fixed. In that case it was. The Catholic Church even had a third party come and evaluate it's process now to avoid situations like we had we the pedophile priests and they were rated very high.

You do not have that with any other church today. I would even say that these other churchs have a plank in their eye they need to remove before suggesting how the Catholic Church and it's members act.


BUT you are not addressing the theology of the Church when you detract with a priest that is a pedophile and the poor handling by a Bishop.
 
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JP quoted unam in the last decade and made no adjustment to what it said/meant.


It has been explained to you and others what it means. The last time I expressed the proper meaning I was ridiculed as calling you and others that are not Catholic as being Catholic. Sorry if the correct reading bothers the sensibilities of us that hate Catholcism or just reject it. But we are reading from a Catholic document and not one of Yours so you must use the Catholic terminology of the document.
 
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What translation are you using? I highly recommend this interlinear both for Reve and Daniel.....Best to download to use the more advanced search features. Wish they had one like this for the LXX OT......

http://www.scripture4all.org/


I am not studying the translation from any greek or latin text. Instead it is in English and already translated and I believe it is using a copy that reflects both Greek and Latin translations for agreement and accuracy.

I will check later if you wish?
 
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Peter and the Papacy



There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who were with him" (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27, Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).


Peter the Rock


Peter’s preeminent position among the apostles was symbolized at the very beginning of his relationship with Christ. At their first meeting, Christ told Simon that his name would thereafter be Peter, which translates as "Rock" (John 1:42). The startling thing was that—aside from the single time that Abraham is called a "rock" (Hebrew: Tsur; Aramaic: Kepha) in Isaiah 51:1-2—in the Old Testament only God was called a rock. The word rock was not used as a proper name in the ancient world. If you were to turn to a companion and say, "From now on your name is Asparagus," people would wonder: Why Asparagus? What is the meaning of it? What does it signify? Indeed, why call Simon the fisherman "Rock"? Christ was not given to meaningless gestures, and neither were the Jews as a whole when it came to names. Giving a new name meant that the status of the person was changed, as when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham (Gen.17:5), Jacob’s to Israel (Gen. 32:28), Eliakim’s to Joakim (2 Kgs. 23:34), or the names of the four Hebrew youths—Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah to Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Dan. 1:6-7). But no Jew had ever been called "Rock." The Jews would give other names taken from nature, such as Deborah ("bee," Gen. 35:8), and Rachel ("ewe," Gen. 29:16), but never "Rock." In the New Testament James and John were nicknamed Boanerges, meaning "Sons of Thunder," by Christ, but that was never regularly used in place of their original names, and it certainly was not given as a new name. But in the case of Simon-bar-Jonah, his new name Kephas (Greek: Petros) definitely replaced the old.

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Unam Sanctum is a bit redundant...
It is all "latin" to me

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, abaddwn <3> and in the Greecian name he is having apo-lluwn <623>. [Exodus 12:23/Luke 21:28]
 
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It is all "latin" to me

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, abaddwn <3> and in the Greecian name he is having apo-lluwn <623>. [Exodus 12:23/Luke 21:28]

LOL

Funny guy...
 
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when cutting and pasting, you're supposed to attribute.
 
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Wow this post sure got a lot of attention! It's fascinating to me how divided the church really is. As the day draws near for our Lord's return I believe she (the church) will come together as a unified bride. We all have a choice as to how that happens. Here in the Reno-Sparks area of northern Nevada we have a weekly prayer meeting where pastors from different denominations meet for lunch and prayer...it's growing and it is unifying the body of Christ.
 
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I pray for Unity too. To be truly Catholic (or unified and universal).

Our Pope has meetings with many in regards to Unity and has worked with Protestant churches to do just that.

As a Catholic we believe the Great Tribulation is something we have been living for many centuries since Christ rose from the dead.
 
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Daniel 12:1 And in the time, that, Miyka'el shall stand, the chief, the great, the one standing over sons of thy People.
And a Time of Tribulation/06869 tsarah/2347 qliyewv becomes, which not has-become from to become a Nation, until the Time, that. [Matt 24:21/Mark 13:19/Reve 7:14]

Matt 24:21 "For then shall be Tribulation/qliyiV <2347> Great, the such as not has become from beginning of world til of the now, neither not no may be becoming

Reve 7:14 And I have declared to Him "Lord! of me thou are aware". And He said to me "these are those coming out of the Tribulation/qliyewV <2347> the Great and they plunge the stoles of them and they whiten [*stoles of] them in the blood of the lambkin
 
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Our Pope has meetings with many in regards to Unity and has worked with Protestant churches to do just that.
Worked with Jack? Catholicism allows zero flexibility in its doctrine.
 
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Originally Posted by JacktheCatholic
Our Pope has meetings with many in regards to Unity and has worked with Protestant churches to do just that.
Worked with Jack? Catholicism allows zero flexibility in its doctrine.
I take that to mean bringing all those outside of Roman Catholicism "back to the fold" of the Roman Vatican and Papacy.
They are also trying to do that with the EO from what I understand.

Vatican Takes Step to Absorb Orthodox Church - Christian Forums
Vatican Takes Step to Absorb Orthodox Church
 
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I just got off my secret line with Rome and spoke to them about you resurrecting this thread.

You will be visited soon by black suited members of Opus Dei.

Be afraid. Be very afraid!
 
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I just got off my secret line with Rome and spoke to them about you resurrecting this thread.

You will be visited soon by black suited members of Opus Dei.

Be afraid. Be very afraid!
Not as afraid as these folks

Reve 18:10 From afar having stood because of the fear/fobon <5401> of the torment of Her saying "woe! woe! the City the great Babylon the City the strong, that to-one/*in hour came the judging of Thee.
15 The merchants of these, the ones being rich from Her, from afar shall be standing because of the fear/fobon <5401> of the torment of Her lamenting and mourning,

5401. phobos fob'-os from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear); alarm or fright:--be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror. [Hebrew #02844]

02844 chath {khath} from 02865; TWOT - 784a; n m
AV - dread 1, broken 1, fear 1, dismayed 1; 4
1) fear, terror 2) shattered, dismayed 2a) shattered 2b) dismayed [Lxx Gk #5401. First time used in Gene 9:2]
 
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Jack, the only unity the Pope would accept is for others to become in full union and conformity to the Catholic Church and its doctrines.
Dialogue does not equal worked with.

I just got off my secret line with Rome and spoke to them about you resurrecting this thread.

You will be visited soon by black suited members of Opus Dei.

Be afraid. Be very afraid!

oh no not Opus Dei

 
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