Pope, King of the world?

simonthezealot · Jan 1, 2009

#13. "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions."

#18. "As to papal authority, the Pope is as it were God on earth, Sole sovereign of all the faithful of Christ, chief king of kings, having a plentitude of unbroken power, entrusted by the omnipotent God to govern the earthly and heavenly kingdoms."

I think the "ecumenical" Vatican 2 counsel and JP2's 1986 prayer summit with all the world religions prove that these points are still considered and viewed as accurrate.

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

simonthezealot said:
#13. "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions."

#18. "As to papal authority, the Pope is as it were God on earth, Sole sovereign of all the faithful of Christ, chief king of kings, having a plentitude of unbroken power, entrusted by the omnipotent God to govern the earthly and heavenly kingdoms."

I think the "ecumenical" Vatican 2 counsel and JP2's 1986 prayer summit with all the world religions prove that these points are still considered and viewed as accurrate.

So you are taking translations that have been falsified in their translation and then lending credibility to them based on your personal opinion which we all know is biased against the Catholic church.

Because of this I will and would not find credibility in your observation even if I were not Catholic.

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

spiritman said:
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land... He is the vicegerent (replacement)
of Christ, who is not only a Priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords."
La Civilia Cattolica, March 18, 1871, quoted in Leonard Woosely Bacaon,
An inside view of the Vatican Council (American Tract Society ed.), p.229

This should be a wake up call for every God fearing individual.

Yes, that people are believing LIES because they hate.

I agree it should be a wake up call.

Anyone going to get coffee at Rick's?

&Abel · Jan 1, 2009

jack, if you so blindly follow the pope that you would support globalism and the illusion of a possible peace then what will you do if the pope insists of the catholic church to become a part of the world currency system? "all you need is this little chip in your hand"

from what I can tell hes going to be part of the end time problems and not the solution and this coming from someone who used to argue the positivity of having a christian political power in the world

spiritman is absolutely right about globalization btw...the world is in the process of shifting if you haven't noticed

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
That's nice

Our church had some exciting news this last year. We baptized three times as many people that were buried. It is exciting because it is growth.

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

&Abel said:
jack, if you so blindly follow the pope that you would support globalism and the illusion of a possible peace then what will you do if the pope insists of the catholic church to become a part of the world currency system? "all you need is this little chip in your hand"

from what I can tell hes going to be part of the end time problems and not the solution and this coming from someone who used to argue the positivity of having a christian political power in the world

spiritman is absolutely right about globalization btw...the world is in the process of shifting if you haven't noticed

No IF, I do not blindly follow anyone.

Instead I see many others blindly following satan and his lies. I see this in every church and it is very upsetting. I see people feeding their hate with lies in the name of Jesus and it is infuriating and sad at the same time.

No IF about it, I do not blindly follow anything or anyone. And Spiritman is right abotu globalization and politics show this but he is saddly misunderstanding what is really happening.

spiritman · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
Conspiracy Theory working over time today?

Abel and others have provided some evidence. Can you provide proof to the contrary.

Do you deny what the Pope stated in the excerpt?

Trento · Jan 1, 2009

spiritman said:
His death is not perpetual. It is absolutely false and should be rejected by every christian.

Ro 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Notice it says He dies no more. It doesn't get any clearer than this.

Romans 6: 5
"If we have been united with Him through a likeness to his death, so shall we be through a like resurrection."
and
When St. Paul says "Death is at work in us....." Where does that "Death" come from if Christ's death is not perpetual?

"..If anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous one. He is in expiation for our sins..." 1 John 2:1-2
St. Paul is referring to the expiation of Christ's sacrifice in the present tense, not the past. His sacrifice is eternal.

"For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, My name is great among the nations; and everywhere they bring sacrifice to My name, and a pure offering.." Malachi 1:11
The sacrifice by the faithful, through the eternal priesthood of Jesus, is ongoing. And this prophecy is fulfilled today. During every second of every day.

"..We have such a High Priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle that the Lord, not man, set up. Now every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus the necessity for this one also to have something to offer." Hebrews 8:1-3
Again, Jesus is offering sacrifice in present tense in heaven.

God exists outside of time which gives way to eternity and we are there for the original sacrifice. The Paschal mystery of Christ cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. the event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.

LittleLambofJesus · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
Our church had some exciting news this last year. We baptized three times as many people that were buried. It is exciting because it is growth.

May they grow in the strength and wisdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ.

Luke 12:50 A baptism yet I am have to be baptised with and how I am pressed till which-any it should be being finished/telesqh <5055> (5686).

Reve 20:7 And whenever should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousands years, shall be being loosed the Satan out of the prison of him

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
Better source:

http://www.h2onews.org/_page_videoview.php?id_news=1436&lang=en

If you read about "globalization" as posted previously where several have fears of world domination then I suggest you view this short piece since it is more accurate.

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

spiritman said:
Abel and others have provided some evidence. Can you provide proof to the contrary.

Do you deny what the Pope stated in the excerpt?

I deny the paranoid article that makes a biased description of the events. I have provided a source to back what I say.

Please view it...

spiritman · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
Yes, that people are believing LIES because they hate.

I agree it should be a wake up call.

Anyone going to get coffee at Rick's?

You buying?

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

spiritman said:
You buying?

It is on me.

Here is a cup to start you off:

LittleLambofJesus · Jan 1, 2009

Originally Posted by JacktheCatholic

Yes, that people are believing LIES because they hate.

I agree it should be a wake up call.

Anyone going to get coffee at Rick's?

I rather enjoyed drinking at Tulc's coffee house. Btw, what the heck happened to Tulc?

Ooops, nm. I found where he is posting LOL

&Abel · Jan 1, 2009

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&Abel · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
No IF, I do not blindly follow anyone.

Instead I see many others blindly following satan and his lies. I see this in every church and it is very upsetting. I see people feeding their hate with lies in the name of Jesus and it is infuriating and sad at the same time.

No IF about it, I do not blindly follow anything or anyone. And Spiritman is right abotu globalization and politics show this but he is saddly misunderstanding what is really happening.

regardless of whether the pope is involved or not the world is being headed by the russian federation into a globalized system

the russian president talks about changing the laws and globalization in almost every speech he gives and hes been meeting with all the world leaders and expressed anger(as well as the russian ppl) with the US

Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev

On the Runet, Medvedev is sometimes associated with the Medved meme, linked to padonki slang, which resulted in many ironical and satirical writings and cartoons that blend Medvedev with a bear. (The word medved means "bear" in Russian and the surname "Medvedev" is a patronymic which means "bear's son").

DAM Bear's son = 666

and if you flip the e's in medvedev its 666

hes also incredibly popular, charming and intelligent and has links to satanic literature, music and many other details as well

simonthezealot · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
Simon you gave what appears to be a true copy of this book written in the 17th and 18th century. The transaltions your are submitting are NOT as the Latin writer has written and this is a grievous and horrible lie that you are perpetuating.

Jack I provided sources LIKE ALWAYS...If your gonna accuse me of this then I suggest you place the latin here for all to see and translate for themselves, if your just gonna stand on your soapbox and claim, LIE...BAD TRANSLATION!!! all the while I am the ONE giving sources it actually seems to be it is you promoting manufactured stories...So feel free to substantiate the errors of the translations...If you do I will gladly close this thread! until then I have never shown a history of using bad sources so I suggest you retract or confirm!

spiritman · Jan 1, 2009

JacktheCatholic said:
I deny the paranoid article that makes a biased description of the events. I have provided a source to back what I say.

Please view it...

I'll look at it. But what about this?

"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold
of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they
be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His
personal representative on earth."
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on
November 4, 1958).

Sounds like the Pope wants to be everything. He also wants to play the role of the Holy Spirit. The center of attraction. The only way to heaven? And you take this lightly?

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
I rather enjoyed drinking at Tulc's coffee house. Btw, what the heck happened to Tulc?

http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=2724

You got me bro.

Just because I help out here does not mean I knwo what is happenig all the time.

This site is the best one out there but it is diverse and so who knows...

I miss Tulc though. I am weird that way because no matter how much some hates the Catholic Church and no matter how much theor posts may upset me, I still like them all and see Jesus in them.

You guys are agreat bunch and make GT what it is.

BTW, I mean in a friendly way... I am married.

JacktheCatholic · Jan 1, 2009

simonthezealot said:
Jack I provided sources LIKE ALWAYS...If your gonna accuse me of this then I suggest you place the latin here for all to see and translate for themselves, if your just gonna stand on your soapbox and claim, LIE...BAD TRANSLATION!!! all the while I am the ONE giving sources it actually seems to be it is you promoting manufactured stories...So feel free to substantiate the errors of the translations...If you do I will gladly close this thread! until then I have never shown a history of using bad sources so I suggest you retract or confirm!

I am trying.

But I am responding to 4 people at once and cannot keep up with the posts. It took me several hours yesterday to find the sources. I am searching in between posts and even though ActionJack is fast, I am not that fast.

I did find one of the sources and you should like it because it is a open debate:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/envoy.htm

More coming...

BUT I like the thread, so please keep it open so long as people are discussing and learning.

Pope, King of the world?

have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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