Pope approves blessings for same-sex couples if they don't resemble marriage

[chevyontheriver]

>>>Cardinal Robert Sarah firmly rejects Fiducia Supplicans, saying: “To maintain peace and unity in truth, we must refuse to argue with the divider, we must respond to confusion with the word of God.”
He adds: “I must thank the episcopal conferences that have already carried out this work of truth, in particular those of Cameroon, Chad, Nigeria, whose decisions and firm opposition to the Fiducia Supplicans Declaration I share and make my own.”<<<

Looks as if Frankie has another "schism" on his hands: the African bishops are having none of this nonsense.

I wonder if Frank will come down hard on these prelates, or will he blithely dismiss it like he's doing with the schism in Germany? (I think I can already predict the answer to that.)

It seems pope Francis is the one in schism. Hmmm. How does that work?

His best play, if he doesn't want to be seen as the leader of his own little schism. is to throw cardinal Fernandez under the bus soon. But his M.O. is to double down in support of the unsupportable (eg Rupnik et al) for as long as he can.

Germany isn't in official schism until pope Francis says so. Same for the many bishops standing up against FS. It's up to him to declare who is in schism and who is still in the bosom of the Church.

 

[Wolseley]

There is Nothing Sadder Than an Aging Hipster - Catholics for Catholics

They are terrified because the clock is ticking on the pontificate of Francis. The pressure on this feminized church to score points now on issues of homosexuality and women’s role in the Church is getting to Francis, and he is showing signs of stress.

cforc.com

For some reason, the Bellamy Brothers suddenly began coursing through my head:

"He's an old hippie
And he don't know what to do;
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new?

He's an old hippie
This new life is just a bust;
He ain't tryin' to change nobody
He's just tryin' real hard to adjust."

Of course, in Francis' case, maybe the last four lines should be:

"He's an old hippie
The old Mass is such a bust;
He's tryin' so had to change us
And the Church just refuses to adjust."

I know the Jesuits had quite the heyday back in the Summer of Love, but that was a looooooong time ago.

 

[Michie]

“I certainly would not write [that] now,” Cardinal Fernández, who serves as the prefect for the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, told Crux, noting that he had written the book when he was younger.

Cardinal Fernández Responds to Uproar Over Sexually Explicit Book: ‘I Certainly Would Not Write [That] Now’

Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, one of the most powerful men in the Vatican, responded to criticism about a book he wrote in the 1990s on spirituality and sensuality, noting that he canceled the book shortly after its publication.

www.ncregister.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

“I certainly would not write [that] now,” Cardinal Fernández, who serves as the prefect for the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, told Crux, noting that he had written the book when he was younger.

Cardinal Fernández Responds to Uproar Over Sexually Explicit Book: ‘I Certainly Would Not Write [That] Now’

Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, one of the most powerful men in the Vatican, responded to criticism about a book he wrote in the 1990s on spirituality and sensuality, noting that he canceled the book shortly after its publication.

www.ncregister.com

So he admitted he wrote it. I expected blustery denial and threats of libel lawsuits.

I wonder if there are OTHER smut books out there he managed to hide better than this one? It has to be asked based on how he hid this one.

I don’t see how he is fit to be a cardinal, let alone a priest. Is it just me?

 

[Michie]

So he admitted he wrote it. I expected blustery denial and threats of libel lawsuits.

I wonder if there are OTHER smut books out there he managed to hide better than this one? It has to be asked based on how he hid this one.

I don’t see how he is fit to be a cardinal, let alone a priest. Is it just me?

No it is not just you. It just keeps getting more bizarre.

 

[Wolseley]

No it is not just you. It just keeps getting more bizarre.

It's like I said before: sexual deviancy is going to be the catalyst of the apocalypse.

 

[Chrystal-J]

It's like I said before: sexual deviancy is going to be the catalyst of the apocalypse.

I agree.

2 Peter 2:6​

If by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;

 

[Michie]

Cardinal Sarah Speaks Out Against Clergy Blessing Same-Sex Unions

Cardinal Robert Sarah shared his reflection, which says that the Church should respond to same-sex couples with the mercy of truth, with an Italian blog.

www.ncregister.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

“I certainly would not write [that] now,” Cardinal Fernández, who serves as the prefect for the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, told Crux, noting that he had written the book when he was younger.

Cardinal Fernández Responds to Uproar Over Sexually Explicit Book: ‘I Certainly Would Not Write [That] Now’

Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, one of the most powerful men in the Vatican, responded to criticism about a book he wrote in the 1990s on spirituality and sensuality, noting that he canceled the book shortly after its publication.

www.ncregister.com

As of 3 PM CST on Tuesday cardinal Fernández still has his day job and is an elector for the next pope. He confirmed himself that he authored that smut which he tried pretty hard to cover up. Just wondering how many more days he keeps his job. I’m now betting it will be more than one hundred. It should be less than one.

 

[Michie]

That's largely the message of Akita.

As of 3 PM CST on Tuesday cardinal Fernández still has his day job and is an elector for the next pope. He confirmed himself that he authored that smut which he tried pretty hard to cover up. Just wondering how many more days he keeps his job. I’m now betting it will be more than one hundred. It should be less than one.

He will not lose his job. I’d bet money on it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

He will not lose his job. I’d bet money on it.

Yesterday, for a moment, I saw his forced resignation as a foregone conclusion. Today I would not want to take that bet.

 

[Michie]

Yesterday, for a moment, I saw his forced resignation as a foregone conclusion. Today I would not want to take that bet.

Yeah I’d be shocked if he resigned. They put this out there and they have little choice but to stick to it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Yeah I’d be shocked if he resigned. They put this out there and they have little choice but to stick to it.

They don't HAVE to stick with it. Fernandez could be sacked, canned, thrown under the bus, retired, promoted to a place far away. Pope Francis is good at firing people, even for no great reason. Then they could come up with a story about how cardinal Fernandez didn't actually follow process with FS. He didn't actually follow process as it wasn't vetted at all broadly within the DDF. It could be recalled for study and correction. Then quietly buried. Pope Francis does have an out here ready for him to take. He COULD take the out.

If he wants to. I think he would be happier riding herd on a schism.

So I fear I agree that pope Francis is going to stick with his man and his document. He sticks with people he shouldn't. He alienates people he shouldn't. I suspect his list of tight friends is really really small. Fernandez and Martin and maybe McElroy and Cupich and I don't know who else. I suspect he, if he is even aware, doesn't feel he has any need to tack and jibe or set any course other than the one he's on. I doubt if he listens to anyone of the sort who would even advise pulling out of his mess by dumping Fernandez and recalling FS.

I could be wrong now. But I don't think so. It's a jungle out there.

 

[Michie]

They don't HAVE to stick with it. Fernandez could be sacked, canned, thrown under the bus, retired, promoted to a place far away. Pope Francis is good at firing people, even for no great reason. Then they could come up with a story about how cardinal Fernandez didn't actually follow process with FS. He didn't actually follow process as it wasn't vetted at all broadly within the DDF. It could be recalled for study and correction. Then quietly buried. Pope Francis does have an out here ready for him to take. He COULD take the out.

If he wants to. I think he would be happier riding herd on a schism.

So I fear I agree that pope Francis is going to stick with his man and his document. He sticks with people he shouldn't. He alienates people he shouldn't. I suspect his list of tight friends is really really small. Fernandez and Martin and maybe McElroy and Cupich and I don't know who else. I suspect he, if he is even aware, doesn't feel he has any need to tack and jibe or set any course other than the one he's on. I doubt if he listens to anyone of the sort who would even advise pulling out of his mess by dumping Fernandez and recalling FS.

I could be wrong now. But I don't think so. It's a jungle out there.

I think their mindset is they are going to stick to it come hell or high water. I do not find this papacy exactly dripping with humility with those that question or are confused by their actions. Yes they are quick to fire those that are confused or ask questions but not those that they seem to be on the same page with. They accompany them…

 

[Michie]

Two Eastern Catholic bishops: 'No' to same-sex blessings

Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and Bishop Kurt E. Burnette of the Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Passaic, New Jersey, provided detailed responses on behalf of their respective sees to "Fiducia Supplicans," ("Supplicating Trust"), which was...

www.oursundayvisitor.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

I think their mindset is they are going to stick to it come hell or high water. I do not find this papacy exactly dripping with humility with those that question or are confused by their actions. Yes they are quick to fire those that are confused or ask questions but not those that they seem to be on the same page with. They accompany them…

Yes. They accompany. But only the right sort of people.

 

[Michie]

Couplehood Is for Marriage

After the Vatican's declaration on blessing same-sex couples, we now have to discuss what couplehood is for to sort out right from wrong. Read here.

www.catholic.com

 

[Michie]

The most troubling aspect of Fiducia supplicans

We might assume that the exception proposed by the DDF is offered to protect priests from any unsafe pastoral accompaniment. Instead, it gives the game away.

www.catholicculture.org

 

[Michie]

Fiducia Supplicans and the Authority of Bishops

Jayd Henricks reviews the episcopal response to the DDF's document on blessings for same-sex couples

whatweneednow.substack.com

 

[zippy2006]