"Poorly" designed eye can be used to test quantum mechanics

[Ophiolite]

The eye has no interest in improving itself.

Of course not. I can think of no reason that it would. Rivers have no interest in running towards the ocean, yet most of them do. Planets have no interest in orbiting stars, but most of them do.

Yet it did

That's right. We call it evolution.

without random mistakes.

There were an enormous number of random mistakes, but the recipients kept walking into walls.

Your complaint fails.

I wasn't complaining. I was pointing out the omissions in Chinchilla's education.

 

[Ophiolite]

Sure , what evolved first the DNA in eye or proteinst to produce such DNA ?

That question lacks coherent meaning. Do you want to try again? Before you do, I am surprised you have been able to study (not just read) the wikipedia article and several of the linked references. I am expecting you to be serious about this. I have no intention of holding your hand for every word, sentence, paragraph and section. Your latest response looks like another attempted diversion. I hope I am mistaken.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sure , what evolved first the DNA in eye or proteinst to produce such DNA ?

Neither. (in case you really don't know)

 

[Chinchilla]

Neither. (in case you really don't know)

I do know thanks

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sure , what evolved first the DNA in eye or proteinst to produce such DNA ?

The Chicken.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I can't focus with these lenses: I see pretty well from a distance but need glasses to see close up.

You sound just as farsighted as a normal elderly person becomes, then. Heck, not even necessarily elderly, since about half of people above the age of 40 are farsighted. However, other details you mention later on in your post make me suspect that you didn't get the correct size of replacement lenses (the ones you got are too large).

My eyes irritate more easily. There is a "crescent moon" sort of thing on the periphery of each eye, and I think that's why my eyes seem to play tricks on me sometimes. I have more floaters than before the surgery.

The floaters are the result of changes in the vitreous of your eyes as you age. It is possible that the surgery disturbed already existing ones, making more of them visible.

However, I am greatly concerned about the crescent moon shape you are seeing in the corner of each eye. That's an early symptom of retinal detachment, for one thing, but if it occurred immediately after the surgery, you may have incorrectly sized replacement lenses in your eyes. That is, it is usually a sign that the eye doctor was feeling like being cheap. Correctly sized artificial lenses do not have this effect, and it can be fixed by replacing the problem lenses. This may also be why you are experiencing so much eye irritation and difficulty focusing.

It is very unfortunate that this happens to be a common surgical error.

 

[PsychoSarah]

We were designed to wear out at about 70 or 80.

Psalm 90:10
"The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

Too bad that half of humanity 40 and above is farsighted, then, just thanks to the aging process.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why are animals sleeping ? The one which could evolve the first to not need sleep would rule over rest of them because it could hunt these who sleep and eat them o__O

-_- sleep is a necessary aspect of more developed brains, because brains need a lot of maintenance. The organisms that sleep end up being ones smart enough to sleep in safe areas or are light enough sleepers that predators cannot so easily sneak up on them regardless of wakefulness.

Sleep also has a benefit of conserving energy. That is, organisms that sleep can hide away in a safe place for a few hours and avoid going out in the open and attracting the attention of predators. You'll notice that a lot of prey organisms have sleep cycles counter to the predators that tend to hunt them, because it is easier to avoid predators by forgoing any activity rather than constantly being awake and requiring more food and performing activities that attract predators.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why are animals sleeping ? The one which could evolve the first to not need sleep would rule over rest of them because it could hunt these who sleep and eat them o__O

HEY!
THE FIRST ONE - WHO rules over all the others, does not need sleep (ever).

THIS IS TRUTH. (but nothing evolved, no - the TRUTH never once changed).

 

[Chinchilla]

-_- sleep is a necessary aspect of more developed brains, because brains need a lot of maintenance. The organisms that sleep end up being ones smart enough to sleep in safe areas or are light enough sleepers that predators cannot so easily sneak up on them regardless of wakefulness.

Sleep also has a benefit of conserving energy. That is, organisms that sleep can hide away in a safe place for a few hours and avoid going out in the open and attracting the attention of predators. You'll notice that a lot of prey organisms have sleep cycles counter to the predators that tend to hunt them, because it is easier to avoid predators by forgoing any activity rather than constantly being awake and requiring more food and performing activities that attract predators.

So animal first to have brain which does not need to rest would rule over everything else . You also don't need to conserve energy because everything which has to sleep will sleep and you can kill and eat it with ease .
Then you can eat it and feed more energy to your brain that it would "gain" by turning your body offline for 8 hours to conserve energy .

Sleep cycles show a design , you can't evolve a sleep cycle because if sleep cycle worked then you keep it , if it did not work well you are dead and can't pass that information to your kids because you are being omnomnomed by belly juices .

 

[dreadnought]

You sound just as farsighted as a normal elderly person becomes, then. Heck, not even necessarily elderly, since about half of people above the age of 40 are farsighted. However, other details you mention later on in your post make me suspect that you didn't get the correct size of replacement lenses (the ones you got are too large).


The floaters are the result of changes in the vitreous of your eyes as you age. It is possible that the surgery disturbed already existing ones, making more of them visible.

However, I am greatly concerned about the crescent moon shape you are seeing in the corner of each eye. That's an early symptom of retinal detachment, for one thing, but if it occurred immediately after the surgery, you may have incorrectly sized replacement lenses in your eyes. That is, it is usually a sign that the eye doctor was feeling like being cheap. Correctly sized artificial lenses do not have this effect, and it can be fixed by replacing the problem lenses. This may also be why you are experiencing so much eye irritation and difficulty focusing.

It is very unfortunate that this happens to be a common surgical error.

I don't have a medical degree, so I don't know the exact terminology, but the eyes we are born with have an "elasticity' that allows us to focus. In other words, we can see things far away and we can see things close up. The lens surgically put into my can't do that. I need to wear reading glasses to see close up.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I don't have a medical degree, so I don't know the exact terminology, but the eyes we are born with have an "elasticity' that allows us to focus. In other words, we can see things far away and we can see things close up. The lens surgically put into my can't do that. I need to wear reading glasses to see close up.

William Bates utilized that 'elasticity' to train people how to have 20/20.
Dozens of others in several countries have also.
They are still a small minority.
It may or may not help to read about that, when surgery was already done.
It won't hurt though.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So animal first to have brain which does not need to rest would rule over everything else . You also don't need to conserve energy because everything which has to sleep will sleep and you can kill and eat it with ease .
Then you can eat it and feed more energy to your brain that it would "gain" by turning your body offline for 8 hours to conserve energy .

Sleep cycles show a design , you can't evolve a sleep cycle because if sleep cycle worked then you keep it , if it did not work well you are dead and can't pass that information to your kids because you are being omnomnomed by belly juices .

... you don't get how the body works, do you? Constant movement and usage puts massive strain on the body and mind, like any piece of machinery. If animals don't rest and sleep, then their body and mental state begins to wither and then shut down. Sleep is basically a recharge.
Constantly killing and eating SOUNDS ideal, to someone who doesn't know how the body works, but that's a massive strain on both the muscles needed to hunt and kill the prey and the organs that digest the food. They would be working to such a degree that they would end up breaking down from overuse.
Learn basic biology. Please.

 

[Chinchilla]

... you don't get how the body works, do you? Constant movement and usage puts massive strain on the body and mind, like any piece of machinery. If animals don't rest and sleep, then their body and mental state begins to wither and then shut down. Sleep is basically a recharge.
Constantly killing and eating SOUNDS ideal, to someone who doesn't know how the body works, but that's a massive strain on both the muscles needed to hunt and kill the prey and the organs that digest the food. They would be working to such a degree that they would end up breaking down from overuse.
Learn basic biology. Please.

Tell your heart to rest for few seconds let's see how long you last .
That animal could be living like heart only resting for few parts of a second never sleeping predator .
Why some parts of your body can work all life like heart but your legs can't . Did these cells in your legs have bad grades or something at school and were not qualified to evolve and have such privilage like heart does ?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Tell your heart to rest for few seconds let's see how long you last .
That animal could be living like heart only resting for few parts of a second never sleeping predator .

But it's not just the heart. It's everything: the heart, the muscles, the lungs, the stomach. Everything would be constantly working, without any rest period, and it would eventually, and quickly breakdown.
Again: learn basic biology. Please.

 

[SkyWriting]

Of course not. I can think of no reason that it would. Rivers have no interest in running towards the ocean, yet most of them do. Planets have no interest in orbiting stars, but most of them do..

Rivers work exceptionally hard at not running to the ocean. They do everything they can to impede their flow and drop sediment any chance they get to slow the flow.

 

[Ophiolite]

Rivers work exceptionally hard at not running to the ocean. They do everything they can to impede their flow and drop sediment any chance they get to slow the flow.

Your grasp of fluvial hydrodyanmics is amusing. Or maybe it is a more general confusion between cause and effect.

 

[xianghua]

It seems to me that some people are trying to claim that because the eye actually works and does some things reasonably well, that it can't be poorly designed.

The eye is actually quite optimised to make the best out of a fundamentally clunky design. That does not mean that the fundamental design is not clunky, just that evolution has refined the clunky design so that it doesn't perform as badly as it could do.

are you saying that the retina has a clunky design?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

are you saying that the retina has a clunky design?

This blog entry (not written by me) sums up what I think of the human eye quite well. https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/01/12/the-poor-design-of-the-human-eye/ The human eye is a clunky design that evolution has refined into something that works well.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Rivers work exceptionally hard at not running to the ocean. They do everything they can to impede their flow and drop sediment any chance they get to slow the flow.

You do know that a river ISN'T alive, right?