Poll: Who has more Faith?

[Davian]

I was once asked for a single thing, believed by scientists today, that would falsify evolution; and my answer was: time.

Yet it doesn't, and all you have is a character in a book. Isn't that Jesus character long overdue?

 

[AV1611VET]

Nor do I believe atheists 'need' more faith for their beliefs - or lack of - than Christians do.

Then why aren't you voting Door #2 (As much Faith as I do)?

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn't that Jesus character long overdue?

Trying to change the subject are you?

This one too hot for you?

 

[Split Rock]

Yes -- from Wikipedia:
Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

Inference requires faith in uniformitarianism.

This is, IMO, a mental block of yours, Rocky.

The Wikipedia definition does not mention faith. Uniformitarianism does not require faith. The only assumption we use is that natural phenomena can be explained by natural processes.

You assume these guys didn't understand nature very well -- and that may very-well be true.

But what is keeping you from understanding, is the fact that these people who, in your opinion, didn't understand nature very well, were not acting in the capacity of secretaries to an omniscient God.

And that belief requires faith as well.

No. Believing they were guided by an omniscient god is what requires faith. This is the positive assertion.

Does not believing humans came from the Invisible Pink Unicorn require faith? Or that the Tooth Fairy is not responsible for the money found under a child's pillow?

 

[Split Rock]

I am a Christian of some years and experience. I believe the Bible. I do not support the YEC theory. Nor do I believe atheists 'need' more faith for their beliefs - or lack of - than Christians do.

My 'belief' is based on what I know and what God has revealed to me. Much of 'what I know' comes from the actions of God in people's lives, mine and others. That may not be germane to you, but it is to me.

OK. Thanks for you input. You have a very reasonable view point.

What I am curious about is if most creationists here believe that non-believers have more faith than they do.

 

[Split Rock]

Then why aren't you voting Door #2 (As much Faith as I do)?

Actually, he wasn't voting at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, he wasn't voting at all.

I know.

He said that.

 

[Strathos]

I wasn't aware Euler was a creationist.

 

[Split Rock]

I wasn't aware Euler was a creationist.

Neither is anyone else who voted for "less faith."

I'm wondering why none of the other creationists who have told me I have "faith" are voting in the poll. So far, its only AVET and E.D.

 

[EternalDragon]

We have facts. You don't.

Back up this accusation, or withdraw it. I mean it.

We have the same facts, sir. The same evidence. The same
earth and creatures to examine. Your facts are our facts.

But I don't think you realize that some conclusions are not
facts and have to be taken on faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

We have the same facts, sir. The same evidence. The same
earth and creatures to examine. Your facts are our facts.

But I don't think you realize that some conclusions are not
facts and have to be taken on faith.

Now why couldn't I have spoken so eloquently?

(Good job!)

 

[Bungle_Bear]

We have the same facts, sir. The same evidence. The same
earth and creatures to examine. Your facts are our facts.

Yes they are. Well noticed. The step that YECs miss is to look at them and see where they point......

But I don't think you realize that some conclusions are not
facts and have to be taken on faith.

It's YECs who don't have that realisation. When you reject where the facts point, because the facts point away from your holy book, you are choosing a conclusion that ignores the facts and can only be supported by faith.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Now why couldn't I have spoken so eloquently?

(Good job!)

But AV, you do speak that eloquently

 

[AV1611VET]

But AV, you do speak that eloquently

-- You sweet talker, you!

 

[Split Rock]

We have the same facts, sir. The same evidence. The same
earth and creatures to examine. Your facts are our facts.

But I don't think you realize that some conclusions are not
facts and have to be taken on faith.

There are the facts, but not all of us take the facts into account. Creationists, in particular, ignore the facts that conflict with their religious dogma. This is called Faith. Show us the facts that evolution supporters are ignoring.

Conclusions are not facts in the technical sense. They can be taken as facts in the colloquial sense, however.

 

[Split Rock]

Now why couldn't I have spoken so eloquently?

(Good job!)

What "facts" did you and E.D. take into account before concluding that humans did not evolve on this planet from earlier life forms? Or that the earth has been around for only 6,000 years? I don't think you guys took any facts into account at all. Just religion. Just Faith.

 

[Strathos]

If YECs were right that the same facts and evidence interpreted differently made their conclusions just as valid, they wouldn't have to constantly lie about the scientific evidence

 

[selfinflikted]

If YECs were right that the same facts and evidence interpreted differently made their conclusions just as valid, they wouldn't have to constantly lie about the scientific evidence

Exactly.

 

[EternalDragon]

If YECs were right that the same facts and evidence interpreted differently made their conclusions just as valid, they wouldn't have to constantly lie about the scientific evidence

The evidence shows that species just show up fully formed and
complex. It shows that species are capable of some variation within
their species. It shows that everything is designed as similar. It shows
that a lot of dead things were buried in water and sediment. That is
all it tells us.

There is nothing to lie about. Different conclusions are not lies. I would
go as far to say that some aspects added into the evolution theory are
merely fairy tale stories. What if's, could have been's and maybe's.

 

[AV1611VET]

What "facts" did you and E.D. take into account before concluding that humans did not evolve on this planet from earlier life forms? Or that the earth has been around for only 6,000 years? I don't think you guys took any facts into account at all. Just religion. Just Faith.

The Bible is, to us, a book of facts.