Poll: Who has more Faith?

[AV1611VET]

Show us the lies, or withdraw your accusations.

I gave you a chance to prove me wrong.

Instead, you came back with this doosey:

Your challenge fails.

Now you're [fake] whining that I'm saying evolution is a lie of the Devil?

All you guys do when you arbitrarily deny what [literal] creationists say is set up a mental block you can't get around.

 

[Davian]

Yes, I did.

Why? did I just falsify the theory of evolution?

lol. Did you think you did? Would you know?

I suppose so.

Yet you continue scratching at it, to no effect. Is this your hobby?

 

[Loudmouth]

I gave you a chance to prove me wrong.

The burden of proof rests with the accuser. You are accusing scientists of using lies. Back this accusation, or withdraw it.

 

[Davian]

How can I show you the lies of the Devil, if you refuse to believe in the Devil?

How can you show him the lies of the Devil, if it is only a character in a book?

 

[AV1611VET]

How can you show him the lies of the Devil, if it is only a character in a book?

Yup ... that's what I'm asking.

What's the answer?

 

[Loudmouth]

Yup ... that's what I'm asking.

What's the answer?

Where are the lies? Show us.

 

[Davian]

Yup ... that's what I'm asking.

What's the answer?

The answer, based on all of the information available to me, is that Devil is only a character in a book. You have no lies to show.

 

[Split Rock]

Useless survey.

Thank you. Please drive through.

 

[Split Rock]

Because you don't have the evidence for evolution, and you never did.

You might think you do, but you don't.

If you have this evidence, why isn't it all photographed and daisy-chained?

I thought daisy-chaining isn't proof... now I'm confused...

 

[Split Rock]

How can you show him the lies of the Devil, if it is only a character in a book?

Yup ... that's what I'm asking.

What's the answer?

The answer is we have to wait for Jesus to return and disprove evolution. This will be after the greatest scientist of all time, The AntiChrist, proves abiogenesis and hands out the mark of the beast.

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[Split Rock]

... more faith than I do.

Here's why I think this is so:

1. The Bible, for example, supports birds and dinosaurs being created on the same day.

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   So... why does that mean evolution requires more faith?
   
   

   ... [*]Evolution is a game of connect-the-dots, whereas creation supports all species independent of each other, with no link between them.

   So... why does that mean evolution requires more faith?
   
   
   

   ... [*]Evolution from cyanobacteria to man cannot be daisy-chained by photography -- so much for walking by sight.

   This is an inference made based on the physical evidence, such as genetics, morphology, etc. Inference does not require faith.
   
   
   

   ... [*]Evolution comes by way of nature, creation comes by way of miracles.

   Are you claiming that miracles require less faith than nature????
   
   

   ... *]Evolution, as an fps movie, supports sudden appearance of animals.

   
   Sudden perhaps in geological terms, not human timescales.

 

[AV1611VET]

The answer, based on all of the information available to me, is that Devil is only a character in a book. You have no lies to show.

I was once asked for a single thing, believed by scientists today, that would falsify evolution; and my answer was: time.

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought daisy-chaining isn't proof... now I'm confused...

The fact that you can't daisy-chain evolution, should be proof enough that evolution, as it is taught today, is taken on faith -- lots of faith.

 

[Split Rock]

I was once asked for a single thing, believed by scientists today, that would falsify evolution; and my answer was: time.

So which requires more faith... to believe in an earth that has been around for 6,100 years based on a holy book (and nothing else), or the scientific dating methods which all agree that the earth is about 4.5 billion years?

 

[AV1611VET]

The answer is we have to wait for Jesus to return and disprove evolution. This will be after the greatest scientist of all time, SATAN, proves abiogenesis and hands out the mark of the beast.

Either you have a good memory, or you have an AVwiki stored on your computer!

I'll go with the former.

(Actually though, it's the Antichrist, not Satan, that will "prove" abiogenesis.)

 

[Split Rock]

The fact that you can't daisy-chain evolution, should be proof enough that evolution, as it is taught today, is taken on faith -- lots of faith.

Does inference require faith? Does it require more faith than believing that a book written by people who didn't understand nature very well is more accurate?

 

[Split Rock]

Either you have a good memory, or you have an AVwiki stored on your computer!

I'll go with the former.

(Actually though, it's the Antichrist, not Satan, that will "prove" abiogenesis.)

Doggoneit! I mixed those two up.. will correct.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does inference require faith?

Yes -- from Wikipedia:

Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

Inference requires faith in uniformitarianism.

Does it require more faith than believing that a book written by people who didn't understand nature very well is more accurate?

This is, IMO, a mental block of yours, Rocky.

You assume these guys didn't understand nature very well -- and that may very-well be true.

But what is keeping you from understanding, is the fact that these people who, in your opinion, didn't understand nature very well, were not acting in the capacity of secretaries to an omniscient God.

And that belief requires faith as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Doggoneit! I missed those two up.. will correct.

Just look at it like we do:

For everything God has, Satan has a cheap imitation (diabolical mimicry).

God is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Satan is Satan, [scientific] Antichrist, and [religious] Antichrist (a.k.a. the False Prophet).

In other words: Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.

The only thing is, God can be all three in one, while at the same time, neither; and the unholy trinity has to be three separate entities.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I am a Christian of some years and experience. I believe the Bible. I do not support the YEC theory. Nor do I believe atheists 'need' more faith for their beliefs - or lack of - than Christians do.

My 'belief' is based on what I know and what God has revealed to me. Much of 'what I know' comes from the actions of God in people's lives, mine and others. That may not be germane to you, but it is to me.