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Bro Shayne Froelich
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I am pre-wrath/post-trib. I believe that both can be reconciled together as one and the same event during Daniel's last 30 - 75 days.
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Kye0929
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Well...I don't really know for sure, but I have a lot of dreams that tell me the Rapture is pre-trib. Soo....I'm goin' with that...
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Buck1
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I am partial preterist and amillenial in the sense that I believe that 1,000 years is not a literal 1,000 years. I appear to be in the minority 
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Jason Happy
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I believe in the pre tribulation rapture.
20 pages of scriptures why, if you print them out:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...apture.htm
Additionally, the wedding of the messiah supports pre tribulation rapture:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...gstudy.htm
Finally, the Feast of Trumpets, also known as the "Wedding of the Messiah" supports pre-trib:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...umpets.htm
Today is the Feast of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanna. Maybe today will be the day.
20 pages of scriptures why, if you print them out:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...apture.htm
Additionally, the wedding of the messiah supports pre tribulation rapture:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...gstudy.htm
Finally, the Feast of Trumpets, also known as the "Wedding of the Messiah" supports pre-trib:
www.geocities.com/biblepr...umpets.htm
Today is the Feast of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanna. Maybe today will be the day.
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JLM223
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I'm a post-trib premillenialist. I also just migrated from the Left Behind MB because of all the technical problems they're having!
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kittyo
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I am pre-wrath all the way. I wonder why this rapture theory was not an option in the voting question. Most people who do not understand the pre-wrath theory think that the mid-trib rapture theory covers pre-wrath, but this thinking is totally incorrect.
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Pastor Carl
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I am definately pre-trib. However I do respect other peoples right to be wrong who believe differently. Hee!!! Hee!!!
Josephus!!! Larry-Boy is pre-trib.
Josephus!!! Larry-Boy is pre-trib.
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jeeze
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What do you make of this:
CSETI Visits the Vatican
October 4, 2000 08:16 CDT
The director of the Center
for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence
has returned from a trip to
Rome, reporting that one of
the Vatican's upper-level
officials has agreed that
governments should
disclose the presence of
intelligent ET beings.
CSETI director Dr. Steven Greer said he met with Msr. Padre Corrado
Balducci in his home outside of Rome Sept. 23, "for what I consider a
rather historic event," said Paola Harris, a journalist who accompanied
Greer and cameraman Peter Sorenson to the meeting.
"Padre Balducci agreed to be interviewed and filmed as part of a major
Greer's worldwide disclosure project. This project included the filming
of military witnesses, commercial pilots and scientists and other
involved parties in Italy who were directly involved with the UFO
phenomenon," writes Harris of the meeting.
"Of course there must be something between us and the angels" Padre
Balducci told the group. "If there are other beings, they are surely more
evolved than we are. We are at the bottom of the ladder for our ability
to 'see good but do evil'."
"Since all of Christianity is based on witness testimony, we must realize
how important testimony is. It would be a tragedy if we began to be
suspicious of all the people who report that they experienced
something unusual like seeing crafts in the sky because there are
some very credible witnesses who have seen these and come
forward," the Vatican official told the group. Harris said he agreed with
CSETI's disclosure initiative, including requests to President Clinton
that government confirmation of ET presence be disclosed.
"Most interesting to me was a question that Steven posed concerning
whether the work of the Devil was included in this phenomenon and it
was appropriate that Padre Balducci should answer since his specialty
was demonologist for the Holy See," wrote Harris, quoting Balducci as
saying that "the devil does not need UFOs to manifest. Neither is most
witnesses suffering from disillusion as they have no reason to invent
such a thing."
It's the third time this year that Catholic leadership has openly
discussed UFOs and their implications for the presence of intelligent
life beyond Earth. In April (Cosmiverse, May 8, 2000), Hebrew scholar
Zecharia Sitchin met with Msr. Balducci to discuss the commonalities in
Judaism and Christianity and the possibility of intelligent life beyond
Earth.
The two met during a conference in Bellaria, Italy that explored "The
Mystery of Human Existence."
"Extraterrestrials could exist on other planets; they can be more
advanced than we; and materially, Man could have been fashioned
from a pre-existing sentient being," the Vatican official told Sitchin.
And in June, an Argentinean Jesuit priest told an international
conference in Rome that he believes "extraterrestrials exist and are our
brothers." Jose Funes also is an astrophysicist and said he thinks the
odds are in favor of extraterrestrial life because of the multitude of
stars in multiple galaxies. "In a typical galaxy there can exist a
multiplicity of planets similar to our Earth, and with living beings like
ourselves. If it is as I believe, they must be considered our brothers in
creation," said Funes. He made the comments during a Vatican
Observatory conference in which more than 250 discussed the
theological implications of the galaxies in the universe. (Cosmiverse,
June 19, 2000).
While traditional modern governments are loathe to acknowledge life
beyond Earth, the Vatican, it appears, is becoming increasingly willing
to publicly discuss the topic.
The Msr. Balducci's meeting in September with Greer and CSETI,
however, is reported to be the first such discussion of a Vatican official
with a ufologist organization. More details and photos from the
September meeting can be found at their Website.
Staff Writer Sally Suddock
Do you think all this alian agenda floating around has any bearing on the rapture issue? I mean what other forces are out there that hold all the attributes of G-d? Kind of spooky to say the least.
CSETI Visits the Vatican
October 4, 2000 08:16 CDT
The director of the Center
for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence
has returned from a trip to
Rome, reporting that one of
the Vatican's upper-level
officials has agreed that
governments should
disclose the presence of
intelligent ET beings.
CSETI director Dr. Steven Greer said he met with Msr. Padre Corrado
Balducci in his home outside of Rome Sept. 23, "for what I consider a
rather historic event," said Paola Harris, a journalist who accompanied
Greer and cameraman Peter Sorenson to the meeting.
"Padre Balducci agreed to be interviewed and filmed as part of a major
Greer's worldwide disclosure project. This project included the filming
of military witnesses, commercial pilots and scientists and other
involved parties in Italy who were directly involved with the UFO
phenomenon," writes Harris of the meeting.
"Of course there must be something between us and the angels" Padre
Balducci told the group. "If there are other beings, they are surely more
evolved than we are. We are at the bottom of the ladder for our ability
to 'see good but do evil'."
"Since all of Christianity is based on witness testimony, we must realize
how important testimony is. It would be a tragedy if we began to be
suspicious of all the people who report that they experienced
something unusual like seeing crafts in the sky because there are
some very credible witnesses who have seen these and come
forward," the Vatican official told the group. Harris said he agreed with
CSETI's disclosure initiative, including requests to President Clinton
that government confirmation of ET presence be disclosed.
"Most interesting to me was a question that Steven posed concerning
whether the work of the Devil was included in this phenomenon and it
was appropriate that Padre Balducci should answer since his specialty
was demonologist for the Holy See," wrote Harris, quoting Balducci as
saying that "the devil does not need UFOs to manifest. Neither is most
witnesses suffering from disillusion as they have no reason to invent
such a thing."
It's the third time this year that Catholic leadership has openly
discussed UFOs and their implications for the presence of intelligent
life beyond Earth. In April (Cosmiverse, May 8, 2000), Hebrew scholar
Zecharia Sitchin met with Msr. Balducci to discuss the commonalities in
Judaism and Christianity and the possibility of intelligent life beyond
Earth.
The two met during a conference in Bellaria, Italy that explored "The
Mystery of Human Existence."
"Extraterrestrials could exist on other planets; they can be more
advanced than we; and materially, Man could have been fashioned
from a pre-existing sentient being," the Vatican official told Sitchin.
And in June, an Argentinean Jesuit priest told an international
conference in Rome that he believes "extraterrestrials exist and are our
brothers." Jose Funes also is an astrophysicist and said he thinks the
odds are in favor of extraterrestrial life because of the multitude of
stars in multiple galaxies. "In a typical galaxy there can exist a
multiplicity of planets similar to our Earth, and with living beings like
ourselves. If it is as I believe, they must be considered our brothers in
creation," said Funes. He made the comments during a Vatican
Observatory conference in which more than 250 discussed the
theological implications of the galaxies in the universe. (Cosmiverse,
June 19, 2000).
While traditional modern governments are loathe to acknowledge life
beyond Earth, the Vatican, it appears, is becoming increasingly willing
to publicly discuss the topic.
The Msr. Balducci's meeting in September with Greer and CSETI,
however, is reported to be the first such discussion of a Vatican official
with a ufologist organization. More details and photos from the
September meeting can be found at their Website.
Staff Writer Sally Suddock
Do you think all this alian agenda floating around has any bearing on the rapture issue? I mean what other forces are out there that hold all the attributes of G-d? Kind of spooky to say the least.
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sear
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How do we apportion our belief / faith?
By what we believe to be true?
By what comforts us most?
Other?
I've heard predictions that when Earth's sun turns into a Red Giant, it will engulf Earth's present orbit.
I have no reason to disbelieve this prediction.
I'm guessing that will happen before judgement day.
It is difficult to ask this next question without seeming rude. I do NOT intend it to be rude, but I ask sincerely and constructively; what difference would / should it make? Should our conduct be different, depending upon how we answer this question?
I'm in no rush. But I'm looking forward to accounting for my sins.
By what we believe to be true?
By what comforts us most?
Other?
I've heard predictions that when Earth's sun turns into a Red Giant, it will engulf Earth's present orbit.
I have no reason to disbelieve this prediction.
I'm guessing that will happen before judgement day.
It is difficult to ask this next question without seeming rude. I do NOT intend it to be rude, but I ask sincerely and constructively; what difference would / should it make? Should our conduct be different, depending upon how we answer this question?
I'm in no rush. But I'm looking forward to accounting for my sins.
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suenoidealruth
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I am pre-trib. I am not a scholar but it seems there are to many things happening that can not occur without a Pre-Trib rapture. That is, If you interpret the scriptures of Revelation as actual rather than allegorical.
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David Taylor
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suenoidealruth wrote:
>I am pre-trib. I am not a scholar but it seems there are to many things
>happening that can not occur without a Pre-Trib rapture. That is, If you
>interpret the scriptures of Revelation as actual rather than allegorical.
suenoidealruth,
That is a pretty blanket statement for non-pretrib proponents.
Will you share with us the scriptures of Revelation that non-
pretrib people interpret as allegorical rather than actual?
Thanks in advance for your effort.
Dave Taylor
>I am pre-trib. I am not a scholar but it seems there are to many things
>happening that can not occur without a Pre-Trib rapture. That is, If you
>interpret the scriptures of Revelation as actual rather than allegorical.
suenoidealruth,
That is a pretty blanket statement for non-pretrib proponents.
Will you share with us the scriptures of Revelation that non-
pretrib people interpret as allegorical rather than actual?
Thanks in advance for your effort.
Dave Taylor
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rab3
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I'm a preterist and a postmillennialist (not post-trib rapture). A minority view, to say the least, but I'm a minority kinda' guy. I voted for Pat (The Patriot) Buchanan!
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der kranich
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<html>
The question really is how do you label yourself.
Usually labels are less descriptive of a persons thought and usually are just fodder for others to criticize.
What does scripture objectively teach?
On <strong>that day:</strong>
<strong>One</strong> return of Christ
<strong>One</strong> judgement
<strong>One</strong> bodily resurrection
The wicked <strong>at once</strong> cast into a state of eternal wrath
On <strong>that day</strong> a New Heaven and a New Earth
<strong>No</strong> left behind.
<strong>No</strong> second chances.
<strong>No</strong> last second "national" conversions.
<strong>No</strong> physical earthly kingdom.
This is what our reformed fathers taught. This is what our forefathers believed. This is what scripture teaches.
</html>
The question really is how do you label yourself.
Usually labels are less descriptive of a persons thought and usually are just fodder for others to criticize.
What does scripture objectively teach?
On <strong>that day:</strong>
<strong>One</strong> return of Christ
<strong>One</strong> judgement
<strong>One</strong> bodily resurrection
The wicked <strong>at once</strong> cast into a state of eternal wrath
On <strong>that day</strong> a New Heaven and a New Earth
<strong>No</strong> left behind.
<strong>No</strong> second chances.
<strong>No</strong> last second "national" conversions.
<strong>No</strong> physical earthly kingdom.
This is what our reformed fathers taught. This is what our forefathers believed. This is what scripture teaches.
</html>
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