Poll for Christians on Muslims

[woodpecker]

the 3 religions you refer to as addressing the God of Abraham may believe or think they are, but in reality they are fooling themselves, (unless of course you have included the Jewish faith, in which they do worship the God of Abraham, but have not excepted Jesus as that God and savior, and why do I say that, because they have not changed the character of the God of Abraham, or added to the sacred scipture)....

all other religions have added their own holy books, and teachings to the bible, taking what they knew of the God of Abraham but evolving Him into a different god(s) those religions made up...

Mormons, Islam, Jehovah Witness, Hinduism, new age practices, many more.

The "god" of any religion, other than Christianity, is not the true God, even if that god has some of the characteristics associated with the God of the bible.

The teaching from the Catholic church is wrong if it does indeed teach the Muslims worship the God of the bible.

I have read a few books written by ex-Muslims, who are now Christians, they would never agree that they had worshiped the same God, that is spoken of in the bible, for their minds are now open to the lie of Islam.

 

[brinny]

There are not enough voting options, amigo.

 

[brinny]

I'm a Catholic and Catholic teaching is that Muslims worship the God of Abraham, so I am bound by that teaching.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

Please post evidence of that. Thank you kindly.

 

[steve_bakr]

Please post evidence of that. Thank you kindly.

If you refer to the Catholic OBOB Forum Thread, "Other Religions getting into heaven", you will encounter a rather long Church Document and excerpts from CCC. My phone does not allow me to cut and paste, or I haven't learned how.

Peace

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[steve_bakr]

the 3 religions you refer to as addressing the God of Abraham may believe or think they are, but in reality they are fooling themselves, (unless of course you have included the Jewish faith, in which they do worship the God of Abraham, but have not excepted Jesus as that God and savior, and why do I say that, because they have not changed the character of the God of Abraham, or added to the sacred scipture)....

all other religions have added their own holy books, and teachings to the bible, taking what they knew of the God of Abraham but evolving Him into a different god(s) those religions made up...

Mormons, Islam, Jehovah Witness, Hinduism, new age practices, many more.

The "god" of any religion, other than Christianity, is not the true God, even if that god has some of the characteristics associated with the God of the bible.

The teaching from the Catholic church is wrong if it does indeed teach the Muslims worship the God of the bible.

I have read a few books written by ex-Muslims, who are now Christians, they would never agree that they had worshiped the same God, that is spoken of in the bible, for their minds are now open to the lie of Islam.

I understand your point of view.

The Scriptures of Hinduism and Buddhism, however, predate Christianity, and Judaism has added volumes of commentary since Christ.

Also, I don't find it adviseable to use ex-Muslims as authorities on Islam any more than I would using an ex-Christian as an authority on Christianity.

We see things a bit differently on this issue, but that which unites us is greater.

Peace ot the Lord be with you.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[woodpecker]

you are correct about Hinduism and Buddhism, but my point is even they take from the bible what they view as important, Hindus worship Jesus (they have many gods), but do not see him as savior, the Dalai Lama, admits to reflecting on the Gospels.

Not sure I understand why you would not listen to the testimonies of ex-Muslims? As for an ex-Christian, well of course I would not trust them, they do not have the Holy Spirit, a born again ex-Muslims does.

peace be with you also

 

[brightmorningstar]

Steve Bakr,​

I have addressed the issue.

I said you need to address the point made, can you not read what I wrote that you quoted?

I have said that the three Abrahamic religions all address the God of Abraham. That's simply Religion 101. I can't change that fact.

Which is why you need to address the point made which shows they don’t.

As I said, I am a Christian, please dont suggest my Lord and God is a liar by treating who He teaches does not have God, as though they have God.

 

[steve_bakr]

Steve Bakr, I said you need to address the point made, can you not read what I wrote that you quoted?

Which is why you need to address the point made which shows they don’t.

As I said, I am a Christian, please dont suggest my Lord and God is a liar by treating who He teaches does not have God, as though they have God.

Friend, I am a Christian, too. Whether you acknowledge it or not, I know who I am.

You are putting words in my mouth and drawing conclusions which I don't concur with. You are playing the role of the righteous defender of the faith and in that role have cast me as an offender.

BTW, what church are you attending?

I've never said that Islam was right, or that the Quran was reliable. I only said that some of it is true and other parts are false, and it references as its God the God of Abraham, whom it calls Allah. I am only reporting to you the facts.

I've also said that I choose Christianity and reject Islam, and that I proclaim Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Bring this post to your pastor and ask his opinion. I feel like you are on a witchhunt. You need to acknowledge me as a brother in Christ instead of an enemy.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[brightmorningstar]

Steve Bakr,

You are putting words in my mouth and drawing conclusions which I don't concur with.

No I am asking you to address what the Quran says in relation to what the word of God says. Now you seem to be telling me you don’t concur with the word of God.

You refuse to address the point. If one holds that the Islamic Allah is the same as God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one has disbelieved Jesus Christ’s NT teaching that He is the risen Lord and anything that denies Him doesn’t have the Father God either.
If you are saying the Islamic Allah which denies Jesus as the risen Son of God is the same then you believe Islam and not Christianity., you believe the Quran and not the Bible, you believe Mohammed and not Jesus Christ.
This is not intended to be a witch hunt my friend, its just blatantly obvious logic.

And think about it, its not just on this issue, if one doesnt actually have God, they just think they have, one doesnt have any of the truth because Jesus Christ is the truth the way and the life.

 

[steve_bakr]

Take my last post to your pastor and ask his opinion. You are not understanding what I wrote. Get some help to understand it.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[brightmorningstar]

Christ’s NT teaching that He is the risen Lord and anything that denies Him doesn’t have the Father God either.

Therefore
If one says the Islamic Allah is the same god, they can have neither God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, nor the Islamic Allah.

 

[steve_bakr]

Take my last post to your pastor and ask his opinion. You are not understanding what I wrote. Get some help to understand it.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

"He who acknowledges the son has the Father."
1 John 2:23b

Friend, I do not want to see you bring judgment upon yourself by denying that a brother has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and judging that he does not belong to Christ his Lord. And yet, the Father rewards those who are persecuted and those who have been disdained when they have declared that Jesus Christ is Lord, as I have proclaimed his Lordship to you.

I am concerned that you have put yourself in grave spiritual danger for denying me as your brother in Christ on account of the fact that I reported to you that Islam references the God of Abraham, whom it calls Allah.

You have misapplied a verse in 1 John and accused me of denying that Christ is the Son of God when I have repeatedly proclaimed that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

This is why I have urged you to take my most recent explanation to a pastor for spiritual counseling. It is said that whoever counsels himself has Satan as his counselor. I myself have both my Church Deacon and my Christian Sponsor as spiritual counselors and mentors.

I personally think that the Moderators are not assisting you when they allow you to continue denying that a brother is a Christian when he has proclaimed Christ as his Savior and Lord, yet I defer to them in the matter.

At first I was insulted and hurt by what you have said, but Jesus Christ has caused me to overcome my selfish concerns and has filled me with a love and concern for you as a brother.

The hurt I feel now is only the sadness of seeing you hurt yourself,for that measure that you mete is the measure by which you are judged.

Gaining a certain dominance in argumentation in these forums is a dangerous temptation. We should not allow this temptation to take precedence over our love of God and our neighbor, and especially of our brothers and sisters in Christ.

You can deny me as your brother in Christ, but that only counts in my favor with our Lord. I would rather see your spiritual condition and relationship with your Lord and your fellow Christian be as a pleasing sacrifice of praise and love to Christ our Savior and God the Father.

 

[brightmorningstar]

and that would of course apply to any pastor as well

 

[steve_bakr]

and that would of course apply to any pastor as well

Do you go to church? Which church? Do you have a spiritual director, Christian counselor, or a Christian mentor that you can bring my most recent explanation of my position to ?

May God the Father, through Jesus Christ his only son and our Lord, by the power of the Holy Spirit, fill you with love, wisdom, and sound doctrine; may he rebuke Satan, and bring us together as Christians.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

 

[steve_bakr]

"But let all those rejoice who put their trust in you."
Psalm 5:11a

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[BeforeThereWas]

"But let all those rejoice who put there trust in you."
Psalm 5:11a

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

What Bible paraphrase are you using that the writers don't know the difference between "there" and "their"?

BTW

 

[steve_bakr]

What Bible paraphrase are you using that the writers don't know the difference between "there" and "their"?

BTW

My error. I was using a NKJV I downloaded on my phone, but my personal Bible is the NAB St. Joseph Edition Catholic Bible. My main devotional is the Liturgy of the Hours.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Oh. I thought it was copy-and-paste, which would then have meant the grammatical error is on the publisher.

 

[steve_bakr]

Oh. I thought it was copy-and-paste, which would then have meant the grammatical error is on the publisher.

Not a problem.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)