PLEASE! lets settle the issue,the final demon thread!

[ARBITER01]

OK, since you are so sure that a Christian can be possessed I have some questions.

What are the mechanics or steps that a demon takes to possess a Christian?

What part of a man does the demon inhabit.

Since God is living in us how does the demon evict God in order to move-in?

Since God is stronger that the devil how is the devil able to accomplish that.

Just wondering.

Maybe you should pick up a book by Lester Sumrall called "Demons." He explains quite a bit about his experiences and goes into detail about what leads to possession. I find what he says on the subject to be scriptural. He is very well known name among some of the Christian greats in our history, who actually had direct learning from Howard Carter and Smith Wigglesworth, just to name a few. He didn't just know them by name, he was personally taught by them.

Additionally, people on here seem to be quick to discount our Christian history on such topics like this. Almost every known person who had a healing ministry over the decades had cast demons out of Christians at some point. It is not an unknown thing at all. The people that are speaking against such things happening to Christians on here don't have that sort of healing ministry to know any better themselves. They are strictly speaking from book knowledge that is completely absent from any real-life Spiritual experience and application. In other words, they are clueless.

 

[pinetree]

He can keep going and going and going either because:

1. He is the Energizer Bunny in disguise.

2. He is right and has much scripture to back his position.

HINT: He is not the Bunny.

lol..bunny...

 

[ARBITER01]

He can keep going and going and going either because:

1. He is the Energizer Bunny in disguise.

2. He is right and has much scripture to back his position.

HINT: He is not the Bunny.

Just because a person blindly posts a smathering of scripture on here, doesn't mean they actually know anything about the subject they are talking about.

That method is not something new to CF.

 

[pinetree]

We have faith,as a tool against the devil,who is of the world..

John 14:30
I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me,

Remember!

1 John 5:4
for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

No inhabitation,or possession.

 

[Optimax]

Maybe you should pick up a book by Lester Sumrall called "Demons." He explains quite a bit about his experiences and goes into detail about what leads to possession. I find what he says on the subject to be scriptural. He is very well known name among some of the Christian greats in our history, who actually had direct learning from Howard Carter and Smith Wigglesworth, just to name a few. He didn't just know them by name, he was personally taught by them.

Additionally, people on here seem to be quick to discount our Christian history on such topics like this. Almost every known person who had a healing ministry over the decades had cast demons out of Christians at some point. It is not an unknown thing at all. The people that are speaking against such things happening to Christians on here don't have that sort of healing ministry to know any better themselves. They are strictly speaking from book knowledge that is completely absent from any real-life Spiritual experience and application. In other words, they are clueless.

Didn't ask Lester the questions nor is he taking part in this discussion.

Can you answer the questions?

 

[pinetree]

In fact,speaking of possession..
How could God’s possession,be possessed?

Ephesians 1:13-15

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory

Thank you Jesus!

We are your possession.

We are sealed!

With the holy ghost!

There is a Holy thing in us,it's Him,there is no darkness at all!

 

[ARBITER01]

Didn't ask Lester the questions nor is he taking part in this discussion.

Can you answer the questions?

I just did in the best way possible. I provided an authoritative source of someone who actually circulated with those who operated in healing ministries, if you are really that interested to know. That is as far as I'll answer the question since he provides better answers on it than I can.

So no, I can't answer your questions for you.

 

[pinetree]

Just because a person blindly posts a smathering of scripture on here, doesn't mean they actually know anything about the subject they are talking about.

That method is not something new to CF.

Whats that old expression...

Light fills the void..

If you posted some scripture to prove your point,I would be happy to listen.

Untill then,as clubber Lang,in the Rocky movie said..

Go a whole lotta mo!

 

[Tenebrae]

He can keep going and going and going either because:

1. He is the Energizer Bunny in disguise.

2. He is right and has much scripture to back his position.

HINT: He is not the Bunny.

his scripture does not conclusively prove his position

 

[ARBITER01]

his scripture does not conclusively prove his position

Exactly.

If a person is just tossing a bunch of scripture around all over the place and ignoring everything that anyone else presents, that is not a debate, and it certainly doesn't make that person's position any better or more correct.

 

[pinetree]

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

hmmmmmm,nope...

no mention of demons there...

Why would our author,allow demons in our life,as far as inhabitiaion,or possession.

Faith and demons dont mix..!

 

[pinetree]

other than scripture twister,bible bingo,connecting the scriptural dots..

I have not seen a bit of proof from team ( I believe in inhabitation)

 

[pinetree]

Another great problem with the idea that demons may possess Christians is a concept that erodes
faith and waters down our concept of God and the salvation He provides. God is our Father. He has
“rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves”
(Colossians1:13). In “this darkness we used to live when [we] followed the ways of this world and of
the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient”
(Ephesians 2:2). But now God by His love has saved us and made us “fellow citizens with God’s
people and members of God’s household” (Ephesians 2:19). It would seem contradictory for demons
to indwell our bodies now that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.

For a Christian to have a demon would bring a division that Jesus refused to admit. The Pharisees
tried to say that Jesus cast out demons by Beelzebub, the prince of demons (Matthew 12:24). They
supposed the kingdom of Satan might be divided against itself. Jesus rejected this. Luke 11:21,22
further implies that Jesus has bound Satan as far as Satan’s power to enslave a believer is concerned.
Only when a demon returns and finds the house empty is he able to reenter (Luke 11:24–26).
The idea of a true believer being inhabited by a demon also erodes the biblical concept of salvation
and peace. It may produce terrible fear as Christians begin to wonder what demon will invade them
next. This is certainly not in line with the freedom the Bible assures us we have. Early Christians had
no such fear, nor did the Church of the second century.



The Scripture is full of assurance for the believer: “The one who is in you is greater than the one who
is in the world” (1 John 4:4). A believer is a person who is delivered from the devil. This is
fundamental. Some point to Ananias and Sapphira as exceptions. But Ananias either apostatized
before Satan filled his heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, or else he and his wife were among those who
joined themselves to the church rather than being added to it by the Spirit (see Acts 5:13,14). At the
time, at least, they were no more than professing Christians.

 

[Optimax]

I just did in the best way possible. I provided an authoritative source of someone who actually circulated with those who operated in healing ministries, if you are really that interested to know. That is as far as I'll answer the question since he provides better answers on it than I can.

So no, I can't answer your questions for you.

Dear Brother.

I would suggest these are questions that must be answered and understood if one is to take the position that a Christian can be possessed by the devil.

 

[HumbleServant94]

I believe that Christians can't be possessed by demons. But I do believe they are still there.

 

[pinetree]

I believe that Christians can't be possessed by demons. But I do believe they are still there.

Hello..
I agree.

 

[pinetree]

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lets see,,,,

Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

We are seated with Him…

Hhmmmm,don’t see how demons are along for thre ride..

Ephesians 1:20
which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

 

[HumbleServant94]

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lets see,,,,

Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

We are seated with Him…

Hhmmmm,don’t see how demons are along for thre ride..

Ephesians 1:20
which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Very well put!

 

[ARBITER01]

Dear Brother.

I would suggest these are questions that must be answered and understood if one is to take the position that a Christian can be possessed by the devil.

No.

What you are asking me to do is explain "spiritual things" that are only learned by working in an actual healing ministry, that have very little scriptural support to defend against the those that disagree. The scripture truths associated with that ministry have been presented several times on here already just to see the unlearned and inexperienced trample them underfoot and ignore them.

It's the situation here of what Jesus said about casting pearls before swine. Pearls here is an Aramaic idiom for bits of wisdom. Why should I waste my time dealing with the immature on this subject anymore.

 

[Elijah2]

In fact,speaking of possession..
How could God’s possession,be possessed?

Ephesians 1:13-15

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory

Thank you Jesus!

We are your possession.

We are sealed!

With the holy ghost!

There is a Holy thing in us,it's Him,there is no darkness at all!

Ah, but His possession, such as man, can be demonised! Read Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:24-26!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.