PLEASE! lets settle the issue,the final demon thread!

[Elijah2]

Dear Brother.

I would suggest these are questions that must be answered and understood if one is to take the position that a Christian can be possessed by the devil.

But a Christian, that is "man", can be demonised, because Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:24-26 says so!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Optimax]

No.

What you are asking me to do is explain "spiritual things" that are only learned by working in an actual healing ministry, that have very little scriptural support to defend against the those that disagree. The scripture truths associated with that ministry have been presented several times on here already just to see the unlearned and inexperienced trample them underfoot and ignore them.

It's the situation here of what Jesus said about casting pearls before swine. Pearls here is an Aramaic idiom for bits of wisdom. Why should I waste my time dealing with the immature on this subject anymore.

It is a waste of time attempting to defent a position that one does not understand.

BTW: We are brothers not swine.

 

[Elijah2]

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lets see,,,,

Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

We are seated with Him…

Hhmmmm,don’t see how demons are along for thre ride..

Ephesians 1:20
which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

So you are seated with HIM, now that's great mate.

But what about the other Christians who are struggling with the powers of darkness, who are wayside, stony, and thorny Christians who are half-hearted and lukewarm whose lives are influenced by Satan and his forces, and possibly his servants, are they seated with HIM?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[pinetree]

Very well put!

Thank you,nice to meet you.

 

[pinetree]

Ya know,just on a light note..

The unbiblical teaching that says a Christian can have a demon,is most insulting to a saint,or to what Jesus did on the cross for us..

If you don’t believe me…

The next time you are in church,go up to a member and say…

Excuse me bro or sis,..I happen to notice you have demons!

I would bet you anything you will not be greeted with a holy kiss,the next time they see you!

 

[Optimax]

But a Christian, that is "man", can be demonised, because Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:24-26 says so!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Hey Elijah.

I answered this before but here it is again.

The scripture.

Mt 12:43-45

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
KJV


This man is not a Christian.

How do I know that?

Because Jesus has not gone to the Cross. When Jesus said this there were no born again people(Christians).

The man is an unbeliever.

 

[pinetree]

So you are seated with HIM, now that's great mate.

But what about the other Christians who are struggling with the powers of darkness, who are wayside, stony, and thorny Christians who are half-hearted and lukewarm whose lives are influenced by Satan and his forces, and possibly his servants, are they seated with HIM?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

I never said there are not battles..

But,does it not say we are seated with him?

Sure seems to be a vast amount of who we are,and where we are in Christ,than some here seem to think..

Get your eyes off the devil,and fix em on Jesus!

 

[ARBITER01]

It is a waste of time attempting to defent a position that one does not understand.

BTW: We are brothers not swine.

No, it is a waste of time defending a position against those that cannot understand. I'm not The Holy Spirit that reveals and matures folks to do so.

Everyone is given a measure of faith inside to perfect, and there will just be some who will not spiritually mature as much as others. That is a fact of Christianity.

And if the shoes fits over the swine comment, then wear it. If not, then it wasn't intended for you, but it has it's intention.

 

[pinetree]

Often these parts of scripture are quoted to prove that A Christian can be inhabited.

It is not refferring to a Christian,..notice how it talked about a "wicked generation" That is not the church!

These verses below in no way indicate it was a Christian.



Matthew 12:39-45
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one[e] greater than Jonah is here. 42The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

43"When an evil[f] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

Notice also here in Luke,Jesus "says he who is not with me,is against me"

He is not referring to Christians there...we must use context when reading scripture,,

As Jesus was traveling about,the encounters were with the unsaved.

We are with Him,not against Him,that is how we know the context of what is there,we are not the unsaved..

Luke 11:23-25
23"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters. 24"When an evil[h] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' 25When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first."

 

[HumbleServant94]

So you are seated with HIM, now that's great mate.

But what about the other Christians who are struggling with the powers of darkness, who are wayside, stony, and thorny Christians who are half-hearted and lukewarm whose lives are influenced by Satan and his forces, and possibly his servants, are they seated with HIM?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

No matter what Christians do, they're are still united with Christ. The communion with God is broken though. Yes, Christians can be influenced, but they cannot be possessed.

 

[pinetree]

Didn't ask Lester the questions nor is he taking part in this discussion.

Can you answer the questions?

good point!

 

[Optimax]

No, it is a waste of time defending a position against those that cannot understand. I'm not The Holy Spirit that reveals and matures folks to do so.

Everyone is given a measure of faith inside to perfect, and there will just be some who will not spiritually mature as much as others. That is a fact of Christianity.

And if the shoes fits over the swine comment, then wear it. If not, then it wasn't intended for you, but it has it's intention.

Lets see.

You are saying that you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature that others(me, being a member of the others) and even though you did not intend the swine comment towards me, it really was since it (the swine comment) has it intentions.

Since you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature than me( the swine) these questions should not be that difficult for you to answer.

What are the answers please. If you can not answer them you do not understand the basis of your position.

 

[ARBITER01]

Lets see.

You are saying that you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature that others(me, being a member of the others) and even though you did not intend the swine comment towards me, it really was since it (the swine comment) has it intentions.

Since you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature than me( the swine) these questions should not be that difficult for you to answer.

What are the answers please. If you can not answer them you do not understand the basis of your position.

Yes, you are allowed to demand, hold your breath now.

 

[pinetree]

No matter what Christians do, they're are still united with Christ. The communion with God is broken though. Yes, Christians can be influenced, but they cannot be possessed.

Very true..
we are conquerors. And nothing can take us from Him..

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[pinetree]

Lets see.

You are saying that you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature that others(me, being a member of the others) and even though you did not intend the swine comment towards me, it really was since it (the swine comment) has it intentions.

Since you have more understanding and are more spiritually mature than me( the swine) these questions should not be that difficult for you to answer.

What are the answers please. If you can not answer them you do not understand the basis of your position.

yes,it does say..

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

If folks are going to teach a belief system,the scripture is a great place to start..

 

[Optimax]

Yes, you are allowed to demand, hold your breath now.

Demand?

I said please.

 

[ARBITER01]

Demand?

I said please.

The scripture proofs were already submitted in this thread and others, you can read back into them and review.

Requesting personal opinion on a subject, and then trying to corner a person with that personal opinion when they refuse to present it, is quite underhanded. I gave you information that would be more relevant to your request, if you want to know from those that actually operated in healing ministries over long periods of time, then purchase that information. Further requests are just a nuisance.

 

[pinetree]

The scripture proofs were already submitted in this thread and others, you can read back into them and review.

Requesting personal opinion on a subject, and then trying to corner a person with that personal opinion when they refuse to present it, is quite underhanded. I gave you information that would be more relevant to your request, if you want to know from those that actually operated in healing ministries over long periods of time, then purchase that information. Further requests are just a nuisance.

Are they bible based,or experience only based ministries?
Experience is fine..
But what if people only teach out of that?

 

[pinetree]

Some teach about copper braclets as "buffers" to the demons..

 

[pinetree]

You should hear the teachings about the "entry means" of the demons...

It sounds like something out of an old cheap sci-fi movie..