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This is explanation enough:
It's not like one can wave a magic wand and instantly learn a language.Learn English or get out. It's worked for most of our nation's history.
Are they "willfully ignorant", or struggling to learn a language that's confusing to non-speakers?That's exactly why giving special treatment to the wilfully ignorant is unfair to those who follow the rules.
That doesn't mean they didn't struggle to learn english.My family didn't need special treatment.
Like not bringing shotguns to church in the event of a Native American attack would be willful disregard for the rules of law in Maine. If a law is a dumb law there is no "rational" reason to follow it.
...having thousands of undocumented immigrants is insane if we are to have a criminal justice system that works. How do I know that Julio isn’t a gang banger who massacres entire classrooms? I don’t. That’s why you need papers to step foot here in the first place.
Please stop evading the point like a political partisan. Unless you have papers, I have no way of knowing whether you are a criminal. Are all immigrants criminals? Of course not. I have a right to protect myself from liberal activism.
Please don't make me repeat myself. There's no need responding to points I've already answered. You don't need nor deserve special treatment.
If you don't believe I am, cool. You mean nothing to me anyway.
I'm sorry if this thread is misinterpreted. It's out of love for others that I want protection against undocumented criminals.
I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong about immigrants learning english. I just think it's far too simple to say, "learn english in a finite amount of time or get out". It doesn't work that way. It never has.
The equal protection clause bars Hispanics from being treated differently from other ethnic groups.
Nation -
A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest).
No, really it explains nothing at all. First you need to explain to me why I should follow a law just because it is a law.
In Idaho it is Illegal for a man to give his sweetheart a box of candy weighing less than fifty pounds. Maybe you can convince me that I should follow this law too just because it is a law?
Should there be laws against rape, murder and theft? Or is that too statist? Unless you have papers, how do I know your criminal history?
...having thousands of undocumented immigrants is insane if we are to have a criminal justice system that works. How do I know that Julio isn’t a gang banger who massacres entire classrooms? I don’t. That’s why you need papers to step foot here in the first place.
Please stop evading the point like a political partisan. Unless you have papers, I have no way of knowing whether you are a criminal. Are all immigrants criminals? Of course not. I have a right to protect myself from liberal activism.
Please don't make me repeat myself. There's no need responding to points I've already answered. You don't need nor deserve special treatment.
Out of fairness to those who've respected the law, let's not insult the intelligence of Hispanics.
Come on, and you insinuated that I wasn't being rational. Are you under the delusion that every illegal immigrant will massacre entire classrooms? I can't even think of one such innocent. Are you fear mongering? It sure does seem like it....having thousands of undocumented immigrants is insane if we are to have a criminal justice system that works. How do I know that Julio isnt a gang banger who massacres entire classrooms? I dont. Thats why you need papers to step foot here in the first place.
And you have no idea if anyone is a criminal who you pass on the street. Yep you are fear mongering.Please stop evading the point like a political partisan. Unless you have papers, I have no way of knowing whether you are a criminal. Are all immigrants criminals? Of course not. I have a right to protect myself from liberal activism.
Maybe if you explained your reasons logically rather then fear mongering you would make a bit more sense.Please don't make me repeat myself. There's no need responding to points I've already answered. You don't need nor deserve special treatment.
Well good for you, I guess. Maybe you should get yourself a hobby?You mean everything to me.
What are you talking about? Where have I insulted the intelligence of Hispanics?
Ringo
...having thousands of undocumented immigrants is insane if we are to have a criminal justice system that works. How do I know that Julio isn’t a gang banger who massacres entire classrooms? I don’t. That’s why you need papers to step foot here in the first place.
You have in implying that they can't learn English and become citizens like everyone else. The equal protection clause bars Hispanics from being treated differently from other ethnicities.
As an Orthodox Christian, most of my friends and loved ones are either legal immigrants or the children of immigrants. I have little tolerance nor respect for those who willfully disregard the hard work and sacrifice it takes becoming a legal citizen by living here illegally and enabling those who disregard immigration law. It's not worth questioning. The law is the law for a reason:
If it's such hard work and sacrifice to become a citizen, have respect for the immigrants who are trying - and struggling - to learn a difficult language!
Ringo
So, English is the language tought in our schools, it is the discourse of public life, but we recognise the practical limitations which are imposed on a nation built on such a diverse background of immigration. I think a similar policy makes sense in a similar state, which America is. In new states like ours, states which are not based around a single nation which has existed with the same language, culture and history in the same place for millennia, but on people from a vast range of backrounds, a state which looks after its citizens should be sensitive to the issue of language and deal with it pragmatically, not by creating a second class of citizen by passing laws in relation to language as are being discussed in this thread.
Where does the equal protection clause of the United States Constitution give Hispanics special treatment over other ethnic groups?
I think you ought to reread my post.
I think I clearly argued that what you call "special treatment" is actually a pragmatic reaction to the state of affairs in a multi-ethnic state built upon waves of immigration all around the world and that ALL ethnic groups deserve to be treated with an awareness of the difficulties in learning a new language.
The Australian government has policies in place to help people from all backgrounds who have come to this country to have access to resources that help them interact with the state in a way (ie. in a language) that they understand. That policy does not favour any ethnic group over any other.
Can you foresee the absurdity involved by including every possible language? Look at the founding documents of this country. They were not written in Hispanic, French, or any language other than English.
If your sole loyalty is to Mexico, and all of your earnings are going to Mexico, you need to go back to Mexico. No ethnic group nor nationality deserves special treatment. We are all equal under law, or at least should be.
I have no "loyalty" to any "nation".
Nations are only concepts, they don't really exist out side of our minds. This is why nationalism is stupid. The only thing nationalism does is propagate the "us vs them" mentality.
I hope we will grow up one day and see everyone as individuals. So these people who don't speak "your" language isn't the problem, it is you making it a problem that is the problem.
It's not that simple!
If you've ever had to learn a foreign language, you know that it isn't as simple as waving a magic wand and instantly learning english. It takes time, effort, and practice.
You say that potato chip bags are quote-unquote "pandering" to immigrants by displaying multiple languages. I think you need to get over it. Until immigrants learn our language, I don't see any harm in multi language potato chip bags.
This isn't a matter of who "won" or "lost" - it's a matter of having respect for the time it takes to learn a foreign language from scratch.
I recommend you follow the following link and read this article from the Religious Herald. It states the case much better than I can.
Ringo
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