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Thank you all for the replies and encouragement, I’m feeling much better today and know that Jesus is with me! I honestly think I was going through a spiritual attack and was relying on feelings too much yesterday, I talked to my mom about it and she helped me a lot too, but I prayed and prayed and know that the Lord helped me the most! God bless you all! :heartdecoration:
 
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No matter how many times I try to keep myself from doing it I keep praying over and over for Jesus to save me, I’ll worried I didn’t do it right the last time or wasn’t sincere enough or was doing it for the wrong reason.

We're you raised in a belief that salvation is partly contingent on works and rituals? I was raised that way and therefore sometimes still feel like I could lose my salvation for not measuring up even though I intellectually understand that to be a deception. Some of us just seem to have to go through life with an inordinate amount of irrational guilt.
 
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We're you raised in a belief that salvation is partly contingent on works and rituals? I was raised that way and therefore sometimes still feel like I could lose my salvation for not measuring up even though I intellectually understand that to be a deception. Some of us just seem to have to go through life with an inordinate amount of irrational guilt.
I wasn’t, but I do feel that way too sometimes! I hope both of us can overcome it, God bless!
 
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Hello, as many of you know I have struggled with doubting my salvation, but here lately it has hit a new extreme.
No matter how many scriptures I read, no matter how much I pray, I cannot conquer my doubts.
I keep having bad thoughts as well, thoughts like maybe God doesn’t exist, even thought I know He does and I don’t mean any of these thoughts! But it makes me doubt even more.
Also I’ve started remembering that a couple years ago a message from the Holy Spirit was given out that God was about to remove the chance of being saved from someone. I’m worried that person was me and now I’m doomed for eternity.
No matter how many times I try to keep myself from doing it I keep praying over and over for Jesus to save me, I’ll worried I didn’t do it right the last time or wasn’t sincere enough or was doing it for the wrong reason.
If any of you can offer some help please do, I’m feel very scared and alone right now.

Rebuke Satan, and throw worry out the door.

There is a verse just for you.

2 Timothy 2:13

Doubt is normal and honesty is good.

One more verse for you and know this, it’s about what He did and does, not what we do or have done.

Please check these verses. They are especially for you.

Romans 8:39

You’re in His arms and I know the flesh fails, but His Spirit Within you, won’t let you down.

He didn’t bring you this far to let you down, now.

All Christian Love to you.

I claim you as my sibling in Him. :)
 
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Hello, as many of you know I have struggled with doubting my salvation, but here lately it has hit a new extreme.
No matter how many scriptures I read, no matter how much I pray, I cannot conquer my doubts.
I keep having bad thoughts as well, thoughts like maybe God doesn’t exist, even thought I know He does and I don’t mean any of these thoughts! But it makes me doubt even more.
Also I’ve started remembering that a couple years ago a message from the Holy Spirit was given out that God was about to remove the chance of being saved from someone. I’m worried that person was me and now I’m doomed for eternity.
No matter how many times I try to keep myself from doing it I keep praying over and over for Jesus to save me, I’ll worried I didn’t do it right the last time or wasn’t sincere enough or was doing it for the wrong reason.
If any of you can offer some help please do, I’m feel very scared and alone right now.

I had a repetitive nightmare for decades about monsters chasing me. No matter where I ran, they would find me. The faster I would try to run, the more slowly I would go. Then one night I dreamed it differently than I ever had. I turned around and I faced them. And the strangest thing happened. They all stopped, and they went away. I haven't dreamed about them since.

I'm not offering you any cheap easy solution. But perhaps the time has come to stop trying to pray this away. Maybe you need to face your doubt.

I am a firm believer in the integrity of the spiritual journey. I believe that wherever it takes us will bring us ultimately closer to God.

That you are wrestling with this over a long period of time with no relief despite seeking God is evidence of a spiritual journey. No one asks for one. Basically, Gandalf knocks on the door of your quiet little hobbit hole one morning and invites you on an adventure and before you know it your life is in danger of giant spiders, man eating goblins, and firey dragons. You may never come back. But if you do, you will come back transformed, and for the better. The one piece of advice that Gandalf gives that you must remember is this: don't leave the path!


Quite simply, you are on a hero's quest for the truth. Your question? Let's put it bluntly: What if God doesn't exist? What if I have imagined it all? Am I correct that this is what has gone through your had a thousand times?

A hero needs companions in his quest to help him in his battles. People he can trust. You need people who you can trust to be:
1. Caring that you become the best person that you can be. IOW they are not into it to make points in an argument. They are into it because they care about YOU.
2. Objective, able to look at things outside their own point of view. Everyone will have an agenda with you. But you will want people that will not PUSH their agenda. You do not want someone that will SHOVE atheism or SHOVE theism on you, but will respect your personal integrity to sort things out for yourself, even if it means you making a mistake.
3. Knowledgeable about philosophy and psychology and religion. It may be hard to find folks that know about all three (although they are out there) which is why "a wise man has many counselors," so they say.

Don't expect your journey to be short, easy, or simple. And don't expect the "truth" that you end up finding to be anything you expected -- it almost always turns out to be surprising.


Now, I would like to volunteer to walk with you a ways on your journey, since I too asked this question many times in my life, and have come to my own sense of peace. Amazingly, I remain a Theist, even a Christian, although I am highly tolerant of atheists and agnostics. I have some knowledge of philosophy (the arguments for and against the existance of God) but my strong suit is psychology and religion (why we need God and why some people don't, what an existential vacuum is, etc., possible underlying reasons that can cause a spiritual crisis like this to come on... etc.).

So I would like to talk with you. I could share a little of the doubts I've had, and how I've managed them and still manage them. And I'd like to hear more from you.

Would you like that?

If so.... Tell me where this started...

Please quote part of this post, so that I get your reply in my alerts. It's the only way I'll know you answered.

God bless.
 
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This thread helped me too. I have OCD and had a half-hearted walk in the past, so I had to many fears, doubts, false ideas when I was drawn back to God.

One verse that helps me is “All who call upon the name of the LORD will be saved.” Acts 2:21

The thing I struggled with was fully dying to myself. To all my desires- it’s one thing to turn from sin, but to let go of everything, my plans, my free time, etc. And I couldn’t bring myself to fully do it. So I felt helpless and that I was choosing Hell. I would “yes I do!” Then my thoughts would turn “no I don’t too much work” and I’d battle back and forth, to the point of my heart being divided. So divided that when I told myself I want to be saved I felt like I didn’t want that.

I remembered these verses, and thought “wouldn’t that just be ‘easy believism’? Just praying and not changing?” But I realized its says all who call upon the name of the LORD to be saved.

To be saved

SAVED.

And I suddenly realized, something I know but never fully grasped, this is a TOTAL salvation. Yes, we are saved from the penalty of sin.

But we are also:

Saved from being slaves to sin.
Saved from hearts that hate God
Saved from selfishness
Saved from being overcome and whole-heartedly desiring sin

I needed to be saved from a heart that was unwilling to let everything go.

And if I could change that in such a way I would be peeeentable for Him to accept my prayers, I would be working/in part causing my salvation. But it’s Jesus alone who saves.

I can go before Him and pray to be saved from a partially committed heart. I don’t do that on my own, I can go to Him, seek Him, and let Him change me.

Even if my heart condemns me, He is greater. I was so divided and couldn’t get that full, 100% sincerity/“Yes” To Him that I thrhoufht I couldn’t pray to Him. I felt condemned when I prayed. “Liar, look how you hold back. You mock Him and damn yourself.”

But I realized: would Jesus reject someone who is genuinely struggle to fully commit to Him, and is asking to learn how and for a heart that does? No. Scripture says he never turns anyone away who comes to Him.

I think the only way He would reject someone is if they have no intention of following Him/living for Him. But someone who wants to but is struggling?

Isaiah 42:3
“The bruised reed He will not break
And the smoldering flax He will not put out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;“

All I need to do is believe. BELIEVE that He accepts me as I am, hears me, and will and is changing me. Even if that belief is small. Even if I fight being wholeheartedly. I can Lean on and trust in Him. I need to take my eyes off myself and put them on Jesus.
 
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No matter how many scriptures I read, no matter how much I pray, I cannot conquer my doubts.
EPHESIANS.6: = 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;

JOHN.3:16 = For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish(in hell) but have everlasting life(in the kingdom of heaven).

ROMANS.5: = Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—(= Adam's Original Sin) ...

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

HEBREWS.11: = By Faith We Understand
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Faith at the Dawn of History
4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, ...

6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
(faith = trust or believe in God's words or promises, like how an innocent child always trust his/her good father/mother.)
 
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EPHESIANS.6: = 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;

JOHN.3:16 = For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish(in hell) but have everlasting life(in the kingdom of heaven).

ROMANS.5: = Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—(= Adam's Original Sin) ...

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

HEBREWS.11: = By Faith We Understand
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Faith at the Dawn of History
4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, ...

6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
(faith = trust or believe in God's words or promises, like how an innocent child always trust his/her good father/mother.)
thanks for your reply, will defiantly study on these scriptures! God bless.
 
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John 6:37

“All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.”

Acts 2:21

“And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'”

Sometimes it’s good to boil it down. I used to keep trying to have the perfect surrender or repentance and could never get it. Instead, I was lead to these verses.

If you ask Jesus to save you from your sin, He will. Not eventually, but as soon as you ask.

I used to think this was just “easy believism”, but I realized the difference. False conversion is when someone prays and just wants to be set free from the penalty of sin, but doesn’t want to change and live for Him. True salvation is asking to be saved from sin entirely. From judgment, from desiring to sin, from a heart of being against God to a heart that loves Him.

For me, I found how difficult it was to let go of the plans I have for my life and how drawn I am to sin. I’ve learned that Despite this, if I turn to Jesus to save me from my sin- me being the center of my life, desiring sin, and the penalty from sin- He hears me. I kept trying to be more sincere, force my will to change for Him.

I’ve prayed a sinners prayer at least a 1000 times. And I didn’t change- I kept fearing for salvation and fearing God (in an unhealthy way. I feared Him over loving Him). What helped me is to realize He will never reject anyone who comes to Him.

I don’t want to be saved from judgment and then turn back and live my own life. I want a heart that lives 100% for Him. And I struggle daily to yield my will, but it is slowly becoming easier and I am more eager to.

Rather than praying again to make sure (I still struggle with this sometimes), I trust that He hears me and seek to live for Him. If perfect surrender and repentance were possible at salvation, we would be the strongest Christians to ever walk. It begins by turning to Christ from sin and asking Him to save and lead you. If you’re done that- even if you strugggle (because you will, we all do), He definitely heard you and has saved you.
 
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Hello, as many of you know I have struggled with doubting my salvation, but here lately it has hit a new extreme.
No matter how many scriptures I read, no matter how much I pray, I cannot conquer my doubts.
I keep having bad thoughts as well, thoughts like maybe God doesn’t exist, even thought I know He does and I don’t mean any of these thoughts! But it makes me doubt even more.
Also I’ve started remembering that a couple years ago a message from the Holy Spirit was given out that God was about to remove the chance of being saved from someone. I’m worried that person was me and now I’m doomed for eternity.
No matter how many times I try to keep myself from doing it I keep praying over and over for Jesus to save me, I’ll worried I didn’t do it right the last time or wasn’t sincere enough or was doing it for the wrong reason.
If any of you can offer some help please do, I’m feel very scared and alone right now.

I felt that way before. No one can take you salvation. Surrender and admit that your a sinner and prove to God you on His side. Your being tested by God to see if you not His enemy. He'll keep testing you. You have to give up yourself for the new you that God wants to give you. You might be fighting the spirit and not know it. Read Paul's books for a while. They might help you! You also might be wanting to see if you want to give payment to Jesus for salvation that Jesus Christ has died for. I did it, and experianced. And I'm find. But I'm dying in side because I'm changing in spirit. You are too.
 
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