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I'm not really sure how I should convey what has been going through my mind over the past few weeks; but I'm certain that in some way it is God working within me. By this statement alone, I have said something that for three years I would have denied. For until now I have denied God, Christ, and Christianity. I don't know that I would have considered myself to be anything other than agnostic but lately it has been on my mind that all that has happened and all that continues to happen, has been a result of my rejection of God. I am in earnest to recieve some answers that might unify some of the seamingly imposible reconcilliations that I have been exposed to in relation to a life within the Christian faith and an acute scientific understanding. Please, anyone that may be of some assistance, I would greatly appreciate any advice, prayers, or guidance that you might give. I honestly wish to become a Christian, however, it feels as though to do so would be to reject all sense of reason.

I do not think it necassary to give you an entire history of my life, however, as it is I who am asking for guidance, it would, I am sure, be more understandable to those offering assistance to at the very least be aquainted with a simple background, at the end of which I shall share some of the problems that I have been facing:

As a child, I grew up in a divided house. I lived with my father, who was a christian, or at least claimed to be. It was there that until I was fourteen, I attended a Catholic church and religion classes which culminated in my unwilling confirmation, after which I never professed any desire to remain in the catholic faith. However, when I was a freshman in high school, I met a young man of my own age who after we had gained a rather strong aquaintanceship, confided certain particulars of his faith to me. He invited me to attend his church and a youth convention where nearly three thousand teens congregated. I went to the convention with him. It was to be placed in Rochester, MN, which he told me was a good place to skateboard so that even if the convention proved to be a complete waste, I would at the very least enjoy skating in the city. This convention was not, however, a complete waste. In fact, it was there that I professed my first desire to become a Christian and had become a Christian, or so I thought at the time.

fast forward.

I spent the rest of my high school days attending his church (or mine as it had become). After high school, I moved to the city where for the first time I encountered a life that was completely devoid of the sheltered Christian atmosphere that pervaded my life until that time. I attended a music school, met people from different backgrounds, read extensivly, and in my first semester began to sense doubts in my faith. Those doubts ceased to abate over the course of the next 3-4 years. In fact, they increased exponentially as time went on.

In my second year, I encountered the writing and philosophies of various thinkers throughout history, many of which forced me to question many of the ideals that I held at the time. I became very interested in Buddhism, Hinduism, the rituals of Native Americans, as well as the philosophy of Nietzsche, Shoepenhouer, and the writings of Hermann Hesse. None of these interests, however, do I believe to be mistaken curiosities. For it is (as Nietzsche lived himself) far more courageous to attack ones convictions than merely to have them.

And so here I stand. I am 21, and through all of my constant questioning of the past few years, I have yet to find an answer that will give more than a fleeting sense of peace or understanding. In my youth I enjoyed the ignorant comfort of belief in a savior, in early adulthood I have rejected that understanding, and at the prospect of a future.....I stand uncertain.

I see much of what is happening in the world and I, by what in my youth have been taught, question whether it is not the fulfillment of what God has promised. Perhaps this is only a fleeting burst of emotion that will soon pass. I do not know. But at this moment, I wish to know whether by what evil I have done in the past, I can ever be forgiven. I wish to know whether one can reconcile the understanding of the Christian faith with our modern conception of history, science, and psychology. I wish to know whether a unification theory amongst the various faiths prevalent in the world is not so implosible; that perhaps one can reconcile and bring together without disodence, without violence, a world where we might as one people (or many) live sustainably, not with discord but in some manner of peace.

I am at a loss for words, without understanding, and without hope. I have expressed my concern, perhaps not in the best way, perhaps not even coherently; for I am sure that I have left out much of what is truly on my mind. Please, any who have read this far, any who have maintained the patience to read through a troubled man's ramblings, give unto me something that might comfort my heart. For in no way can I ever come to understanding alone.

Thank you

C.
 
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I wish to know whether one can reconcile the understanding of the Christian faith with our modern conception of history, science, and psychology. I wish to know whether a unification theory amongst the various faiths prevalent in the world is not so implosible;

One of The biggest problem with the educational system is, far too often when we are taught how to think for ourselves, We are told what to think for ourselves. I know you think you've come to these conclusions on your own, but in a manor of speaking you've been walked down this path. You've been given solid evidence, taught how to logically process it, and been left to come to the logical conclusion...

But in all truth "our modern concepts of history, science, and Psychology," are in a sense, a religion of there own. All of it based in Fact, with little regard to actual truth. history for example.
Hasn't been said, History is written by the Conquerors? How much actual truth has been omitted for the sake of a Good War story? And when these stories are finally documented sometimes thousands of years later, how much of it, is actually true to the event? I know the same has been said about Holy Scripture. But, My point isn't to rewrite the history books by to draw a parallel between the two FAITHS.

Lets look a Science quickly. Just in the last few years alot of Scientific Fact has been changed: Pluto is no longer a planet, The Hole in the Ozone over Antarctica is all but gone. (Scientist were reporting it would take hundreds of years for the CFC's already in the atmosphere to break Down, Thereby allowing the hole to seal) Now Scientist are attributing Glacial Melt to Global warming. In the early 80's we were told to fear Global Cooling because of the polutants we were dumping into the atmoshpere. What once was safe is now is a Danger, And what was a Danger is now safe.. It seems that Very little care for truth is perserved, in the mad rush to publish fact. Again Just showing the amount of Faith one needs to Transition scientific fact to Scientific Truth.

Psycholigy: I really don't need to go far here. If you've taken two classes in the subject from two different Professors, you already know that everything is subjective.


My general point here is that you already exibit a tremoundous amount of faith. I belive that you'll be able to reconsile your conflict of intrest if your able to remove yourself from the Idea that The Church of Science, History and Psycholigy, is Founded in fundemental Truths. Rather Your religious beliefs are based in Fact. remember a Fact is a statement that can be proved or disproved. There may be no truth in it at all.

I just have a question and then I'll leave you to your thoughts.

Why must you deliver or live in absolutes, (when it comes to your faith) When the Church of Science, History, and Psycholigy delivers so little in the way of them?
 
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As much as you'd like to reconcile all of your learnings into one, Jesus is very clear that there is only one way to the Father and that is through Him (Jesus).
The reason for this being, that we follow a God that lives, in comparison to other religions of the world, who demand that we do things in the very least hope of getting somewhere in what may be an afterlife.
Following the one true God, guarantees forgiveness of sin and a place in love for all eternity.
No other religion, philosophy, belief, practice.....can promise this, and no other teaching has delivered a saviour that has been raised from the dead with eye witness account.
 
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I think that if your heart is telling you to give yourself to Jesus, then just give into it. Jesus said He will call His people, and they will recognise His voice and follow Him. It is not the Lord who might be calling you to faith?

It does appear to me that you feel compelled to become a Christian but you feel like it might be illogical to believe in Christ/God/Saviour. There are some amazing books out there that might help you to realise that believing in Jesus is NOT illogical...
Jesus existed, that is established in history, and is based on historical evidence. And the fact that there is a world, means there HAD to be a creator. The fact that humans have a conscience can point to God's law being written on our hearts (as it states in the bible.)

But enough of that. Real faith cannot come through text books and scientists. Faith is something that you have to trust in, just as you would trust that a friend loves you. You can't touch that feeling or watch it in a labratory, but you FEEL it and trust it...So it is with God.

I am no expert (in fact, I'm just beginning my christian journey myself) but I would recommend that you go back and read the gospels...Pray for some answers to your fears and questions....Read some great books, too, such as The Case For The Real Jesus or C.S Lewis' Mere Christianity...

I hope the Lord gives you some answers and sets you on the right path :)

*EDIT* I wanted to answer your question about being forgiven for the evil you have done. Yes, if you believe in the Lord Jesus and repent, and ask for forgiveness, Jesus said you will be clean, forgiven, the debt is gone, and you are free of guilt!!
 
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I thank you all for posting and I apologize for not getting back to you until now. A summer writing class that I am taking has just started and, as it is an accelerated course, I've been pretty busy. However, I do have some good news; in fact, this is the first time that I have mentioned this to anyone: A little over a week ago, I became a Christian. Scary.

In all honesty, this faith terrifies me more than anything. Perhaps that's why I've stayed away from it for so long. What it was that actually led me to conclude that Jesus is the son of God, can't, I don't think, be limited to any one thing but moreso a combination of arguments and revelations that have been revealed to me over the past week. The most profound thing was the realization that I am a really evil man. Or maybe it isn't so much that I am evil but that the thoughts within my head, and the way that I have lived my life for so long have, indeed, been induced by evil; I've even considered the possibility of demon-possesion. I don't know if this revelation was by the hand of God or by some slip up of the devil's; but in either event, I realized just how much my pride, arrogance, anger, lust, greed, maliciousness, selfishness, and every other vice that one can think of, was keeping me from belief in God. It was after realizing this that got down on my knees and prayed to God.

Over the next few days, I started thinking of the logical arguments that I had heard and rejected, coming to understand that I had been mistaken. What it came down to was that if I believed that Jesus was the messiah then what is written about the messiah must also be true. This allowed me to reconsider the validity of the gospels as well as the writings of the OT, where as far back as the writings of Moses, the foretelling of a savior is mentioned. All of the comparative, corroborative, and extrabiblical evidence that I read in the "Case for Christ" a few years ago, started coming to mind. And with that I started thinking about even the things that I had learned over the years when I had abandoned my faith. In that time, I had studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and much of western philosophy. And as I sat in meditation this week, I started thinking that just because I believe Christianity to be true does not mean that I have to abandon the teachings of other philosophies; for anyone who reads the Damapada, Bhagavad Gita, or the Tao Te Ching, will see so many parallels to Christianity. Many of the teachings are so similar that it gives reason to believe that truth is not solely found in one doctrine; but can present itself in all and in all of being. What I realize, however, is that where these doctrines deviate from Christian teachings, one must follow the Christian teachings.

I also picked up and read "Mere Christianity" earlier this week. It was a great introduction and really terrified me, to tell you the truth. It made me realize how very difficult it is to follow this faith. To do evil is easy; but to do good when you have for so long stood against what is good... seems almost impossible. How does a prideful man become humble without becoming proud of his humility? There are so many questions that I would like to ask all of you, many of which will sound very ignorant, however, I think that I need to hear the answers from another Christian, even if in my heart I already know them. I would also like to ask any who read this to pray for me. At this early stage, doubt is constantly within my mind, as well as the fear of some obstacles that stand in my immediate future. Thank you.
 
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Praise God for the awesome revelation that only the Holy Spirit can reveal to your heart in such a way.
I am excited for you and I know God will lead you to the answers your seek for, as He has done for you in this instance.
He always gives me answers, in forms that I least expect and in ways that make absolute sense.
Thankyou for sharing, and my faith in Gods faithfulness allows me to have complete hope that He will keep you and lead you as He has done already
 
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Aroha, it seems that my questions must be posed to you, for no one else has returned. Hoping that you might once again, I am going to ask you a series of questions, some of which will be completely ignorant, however, I ask you to be patient and answer them to the best of your ability. it may just be that I need to hear another Christian answer them. And any who should read this and be so inclined to respond, feel free to do so. In fact. I would greatly appreciate it.

Something I've realized over the past few days is that while in the evenings when I might spend some time reading scripture or some other edifiying material, I can fully believe that Jesus is the Christ and put my trust in the Christian faith, however, upon the morning, I come to think that the previous night's contemplation was mere foolishness. Oh, how strong the influence of the evening hours can be upon ones mind; but upon sunrise, what seemed like truth looks all but immaterial. What is the cause of this?

When you are asked why you believe, what do you find yourself saying to others? I don't know that I could ever defend my faith in the way that I did in the past. In fact, it would be foolish ever to do so. But I often wonder about the fact that, even though Christianity proves logical, to the knowledge that my reason must attest to, not all logical proofs are not true. If the premise of an arguement is false, then there is no possible way to come to an accurate conclusion. Even though, in my heart I know that Jesus is the Messiah, my mind and my reason say otherwise. I'm finding myself wanting to run deeper and further into solitude, to go further into the paths that I have tread. Oh, lamentable heart, how thee continue to torture me!

I will give further questions upon response. Thank you.
 
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Many prefer a faith that is defined, gift wrapped and unquestioning. Others (include me) are in a constant dynamic, an unfolding journey, where, paradoxically further questions and greater confidence are bedfellows.

There is just so much really good material available in books and lectures by Christian academics on the Internet that are stimulating, challenging, biblically based and satisfying.

Seems you will be a person who lives within this journey too. But beyond all knowledge there must be a satisfying, experiential relationship with Jesus, our true teacher and life.

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Sometimes it's easy to have faith in God when your feeling well, like in the evening, but it's not always easy having faith in the morning when you wake up. I know what you're talking about, because I experience it aswell. I ask you to try the following exercise:
Before you go to sleep, whilst in your bed or sitting upstraight or where ever you find yourself before sleep, take a deep breath and exhale in the way you would when you sigh. Breath out as if you just had a very tough day and you exhale in sadness, tiredness or relief. Let all the breath exit your lungs. Keep the breath out for a little while then inhale deeply and repeat the process a few times.
You should feel more relieved and relaxed at this point so just breath deeply. As you breeth deeply you begin to strech your muscles. You do this by pulling the muscles tight and then bending the joints. Squeeze the muscles as you move in all directions, bend your arm, legs, move your hands in and out, move your toes up and down. Stretch them. Squeeze all the old blood out of the muscles.
You should at the very least feel a liitle bit more energetic.
Now go to sleep and see what happens when you wake up!

If you don't feel better in the morning, just repeat the process.

There could be a variety of reasons for this fenom, but I fear it might only confuse us more.

God Bless.
 
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GOD is clear, there is no code in His Word. GOD spoke the Word & man wrote
the word as clear as possible. Jesus is the Living Word and you must hear the
Word to understand how to live the Word. The Word is Free.

GOD created you in His own image - not in His reflection but in GOD's vision
and perfectly calculated perception of His perfection. GOD made you in the
way He knew was the perfect way, like Him. GOD calculated the universe and
still knows every hair on all of our heads.. His design is perfect.

GOD is the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. Just as we are a parent, a child
and have an eternal spirit. God is our Heavenly Father who created us. GOD is
the Son who lived life in the flesh and died in the flesh for our Sins so that we
may be forgiven and have a way to Him. GOD is the Holy Spirit which has
always been and will never cease.

Jesus says, "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one
who wants to borrow from you" - Mt 5:42. "Give to everyone who asks you, and
if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." - Lk 6:30 Do to
others as you would have them do to you. - Lk 6:31. He does not say, "be a
coward nor lay down your life. Jesus gave His life so that you may have life and
have it abundantly.

Your race and placement in this world is not curse or mistake. You were chosen
by GOD to be the race and in the place you are. GOD is Good. GOD is Truth.
GOD is Love. GOD knew you before you were in the womb.

Since GOD predetermined which race for you to be & knows the place in which
you are - you are exactly perfectly designed to be precisely who and where you
are at this very moment.

Your struggles, your storms, your oceans & your mountaintops are all
predetermined. Accept Jesus Christ (YSHWH) as your Lord & Savior and follow
Him. Jesus Christ is the Good Shepard that will lead you to the Kingdom of
Heaven.. Here and now on Earth.

There is tremendous joy in serving the Lord. The hurts and pains are only a
pause.. anguish is temporary and should be timed. Be aware and conscious of
the time when the anguish begins and do not let it over run its course. Time is
most precious in the flesh. There is a lasting joy in the Lord. Do unto others as
you would have them do unto you. The first will be last and the last will be first.
The joy is not in the results of the deed nor in its doing. The joy is in serving the
Lord. Serve others as if serving the Lord and indeed it is the Lord you are
serving. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

People do not change unless GOD changes them. You can not change
unless you allow GOD to change you. If you have not been changed you are
not saved. Jesus is the Gate. Pick up your cross and follow Him. Now your
burdens, aches and pains are predetermined and timed to not extend their
season, therefore your limits will never be exceeded. Instead, your hour of
suffering has been shortened. Rejoice in the Lord. Rejoice in serving the
Lord through all seasons. Follow the footsteps of Jesus. If Jesus is in you, then
others should be able to see Him.

Seek the knowledge of GOD through all sources.. read the word, listen to many
pastors and preachers.. as no one is between you and GOD.. Your relationship
with HIM is personal, between you and Him. Live the Word.

Jesus is the Way.

With Love,
- Jefell

 
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Something I've realized over the past few days is that while in the evenings when I might spend some time reading scripture or some other edifiying material, I can fully believe that Jesus is the Christ and put my trust in the Christian faith, however, upon the morning, I come to think that the previous night's contemplation was mere foolishness. Oh, how strong the influence of the evening hours can be upon ones mind; but upon sunrise, what seemed like truth looks all but immaterial. What is the cause of this? It is only God that is the same yesterday today and forever, as long as you are trying to put your faith in your own faithfulness..you will fail. At all times our eyes need to be on the finished work of Christ on the cross..anything else is pride. We cannot even keep ourselves faithful from one minute to the next. God's faithfulness never waivers, so long as we are living in that truth then our own faith in Him will increase, rather than our abilility to be faithful of our own accord.

When you are asked why you believe, what do you find yourself saying to others? I don't know that I could ever defend my faith in the way that I did in the past. In fact, it would be foolish ever to do so. But I often wonder about the fact that, even though Christianity proves logical, to the knowledge that my reason must attest to, not all logical proofs are not true. If the premise of an arguement is false, then there is no possible way to come to an accurate conclusion. Even though, in my heart I know that Jesus is the Messiah, my mind and my reason say otherwise. I'm finding myself wanting to run deeper and further into solitude, to go further into the paths that I have tread. Oh, lamentable heart, how thee continue to torture me! The only question i've been asked about why is why did i go back to church, to which my answer is, because I know Jesus to be the truth, and since knowing I have experienced.
 
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