Plate Tectonics

[Strathos]

Just curious, how many creationists here accept the theory of plate tectonics?

 

[Strathos]

No answers?

 

[NannaNae]

that is a trick question..
I believe that there is plates that now move. but they have the caboose pushing that train..
I don't believe their time clock and I don't believe in Pangea. they are wrong.

the atlantic as we know it now was formed in one day.
north america 3200( Joshua's long day ) years ago met north Africa at the Atlantic ridge .
forming an giant island AKA heart of the seas.
probably name Caftor or Atlas or some variations on these spellings such as Azatlan etc . .


it ( the moon ) pushed pulled and broke the crust into what we now call the continents and all the continents drained their water in the void left we now call the Atlantic.

the water level was once in the neighborhood of 1000 to 1200 ft higher than now..
and lands which are barren and grow nothing but grass were salted sea floor just 3200 or maybe 2800 ( Hezekiahs 10 steps) years ago. this is the reason native americans did not want to (M)ove( or love it either ) to Oklahoma. and only tribes that got here later did it . or some they moved only to northern Arkansas/ the Ozarks they would not go to the plains.
ONLY land with trees/ cedars on top were once islands... but even then some of the tree'd islands were completely buried in the event.

then started the wars because everyone lost their livelihood and how they even ate was by sea the seas and sea trading.

after millions of miles of salted dirt had to be crossed to find even little bits of land which would grow anything at all for ages then only grass.. then that little patch of good land / treed lands , that did grow any food had to be defended . so wars on wars on wars.. endless wars. human history is very sad.


NO scientism is Nuts and doesn't have a clue.

if the world is so old why isn't it cover with trees .. only some hill tops have trees.. what birds and deer just evolved ?
No scientism has only been concerned with trying to prove there is no God by making fake time clocks.

 

[Strathos]

Thank you for your input.

 

[jacknife]

that is a trick question..
I believe that there is plates that now move. but they have the caboose pushing that train..
I don't believe their time clock and I don't believe in Pangea. they are wrong.

the atlantic as we know it now was formed in one day.
north america 3200( Joshua's long day ) years ago met north Africa at the Atlantic ridge .
forming an giant island AKA heart of the seas.
probably name Caftor or Atlas or some variations on these spellings such as Azatlan etc . .


it ( the moon ) pushed pulled and broke the crust into what we now call the continents and all the continents drained their water in the void left we now call the Atlantic.

the water level was once in the neighborhood of 1000 to 1200 ft higher than now..
and lands which are barren and grow nothing but grass were salted sea floor just 3200 or maybe 2800 ( Hezekiahs 10 steps) years ago. this is the reason native americans did not want to love to Oklahoma. and only tribes that got here later did it or they moved only to norther Arkansas/ the Ozarks they would not go to the plains.
ONLY land with trees/ cedars on top were once islands... but even then some of the tree'd islands were completely buried in the event.

then started the wars because everyone lost their livelihood and how they even ate was by sea the seas and sea trading.

after millions of miles of salted dirt had to be crossed to find even little bits of land which would grow anything at all for ages then only grass.. then that little patch of good land / treed lands , that did grow any food had to be defended . so wars on wars on wars.. endless wars. human history is very sad.


NO scientism is Nuts and doesn't have a clue.

if the world is so old why isn't it cover with trees .. only some hill tops have trees.. what birds and deer just evolved ?
No scientism has only been concerned with trying to prove there is no God by making fake time clocks.

i dont know if strathos wants people like me asking questions in here, if not give the word strathos and i will edit my post out. now then
you're opening point is very hard to understand so i will ask if you have any evidence for your time line.
also you asked why dont we see trees everywhere the answer is....we do! from the more desert environments en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bursera_microphylla to trees that have adapted to survive the saline coast Mangrove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. trees exist across multiple environments and have adapted different for their lives in these environments. as to why we dont see them so much around cities (i think this is what you mean why you say you only see them on hilltops). well w ehave sadly cut down a large amount of trees for their wood. so much so that we have laws even to protect certain species of endangered trees. now for your deer and bird question. no no one thinks deers and birds evolved from nothing. for birds i was able to locate a section on a website for a natural history musem. they can explain better then i can Birds: The Late Evolution of Dinosaurs | Natural History Museum of Los Angeles

as for deer, deer are an animal we see across many places. whitetail deer, elk, moose are all deers. even in asia you can find deer Red deer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. as for an easy to understand evolutionary guide like for birds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer#Evolution the deer wikipage is the best i can do at the moment. also what do you mean by "fake time clocks"?

 

[Strathos]

You can discuss this, of course.

 

[juvenissun]

Just curious, how many creationists here accept the theory of plate tectonics?

Describe the specific content of Plate Tectonics you know. They I can decide to accept it or not. I do accept part of it.

You probably do not know that there are still a lot of fantasies included in the so-called "theory" of plate tectonics. It is a very big theory. And you probably only know less than a skin depth of it.

For example, plate moves? Yes, something is moving. But what is the "plate"?
A plate is a piece of lithosphere. OK, then how do you identify the lower limit (boundary) of a lithosphere? Asthenosphere. Fine, but what is astheosphere?

Enough for you?

 

[NannaNae]

I refuse.. that stuff only makes sense if you are high in a class room with people who are high being taught by a professor who is probably high.
then I am sure it is brilliant..... of course so is their own buggers and even they can become poetic " metaphorically speaking"..
so no thanks..

 

[juvenissun]

I refuse.. that stuff only makes sense if you are high in a class room with people who are high being taught by a professor who is probably high.
then I am sure it is brilliant..... of course so is their own buggers and even they can become poetic " metaphorically speaking"..
so no thanks..

I think his hidden agenda is:

If one vote no, then he(she) is ignorant.
If one vote yes, then he(she) has to be an evolutionist.

That is about it.

One thing he neglected: In this satanic world, NOTHING is black and white. Everything is gray. This includes the plate tectonics.

 

[Strathos]

I think his hidden agenda is:

If one vote no, then he(she) is ignorant.
If one vote yes, then he(she) has to be an evolutionist.

That is about it.

One thing he neglected: In this satanic world, NOTHING is black and white. Everything is gray. This includes the plate tectonics.

My "hidden agenda" is just to gather different people's views, since creationists always focus on attacking evolution but rarely talk about plate tectonics, which should be just as damaging to their views. So I wondered why they hardly ever mention it.

 

[Shemjaza]

My "hidden agenda" is just to gather different people's views, since creationists always focus on attacking evolution but rarely talk about plate tectonics, which should be just as damaging to their views. So I wondered why they hardly ever mention it.

I assume that it is because they have to get into difficult details before it feel problematic to them.

Evolution is bad right off the bat: "Humans come from animals".

At a glance, "In the past the land masses moved around", seems fine. All you have to do is say that it can move a million times faster then scientists say and BAM the middle east is easy walking distance from the Garden of Eden in Missouri.

 

[juvenissun]

My "hidden agenda" is just to gather different people's views, since creationists always focus on attacking evolution but rarely talk about plate tectonics, which should be just as damaging to their views. So I wondered why they hardly ever mention it.

Yes, that is what I said.
To you, plate tectonics is 100% evolutional.
But, you need to know, it is not.
And, a significant part of it is not related to biological evolution.

Would you accept geological "evolution" as a a part of "evolution theory"? I guess you better not.

 

[juvenissun]

I assume that it is because they have to get into difficult details before it feel problematic to them.

Evolution is bad right off the bat: "Humans come from animals".

At a glance, "In the past the land masses moved around", seems fine. All you have to do is say that it can move a million times faster then scientists say and BAM the middle east is easy walking distance from the Garden of Eden in Missouri.

You tell me: if a land mass moves 20 meters per year, is it moving fast?
How about 2 meters per year? Is it slow?

Be careful on the number you choose which "seems fine". Is 0.2 meter a safer number to use?

 

[Strathos]

I never said that plate tectonics has anything to do with evolution. It really doesn't, at least not directly.

 

[florida2]

I refuse.. that stuff only makes sense if you are high in a class room with people who are high being taught by a professor who is probably high.
then I am sure it is brilliant..... of course so is their own buggers and even they can become poetic " metaphorically speaking"..
so no thanks..

So everyone who accepts plate tectonics (which is virtually everyone) is some sort of drug user? How nice.

Why do you think it is so wrong? Have you read anything about it? Why do you think they have got it so wrong?

More importantly, why do geologists etc. rely on it when they are doing their job? How come oil geologists successfully use the theory all the time to find oil and natural gas reserves?

Surely if the theory was as completely wrong as you imply they would be unable to find these reserves, yet that is not the case. Why?

 

[florida2]

the atlantic as we know it now was formed in one day.

How? Surely you realise that if plates moved that quickly in one day, the amount of energy released would destroy all life on Earth? You can find the calculations in several other threads on here.

north america 3200( Joshua's long day ) years ago met north Africa at the Atlantic ridge .
forming an giant island AKA heart of the seas.
probably name Caftor or Atlas or some variations on these spellings such as Azatlan etc . .

No idea what this is about. What giant island?

it ( the moon ) pushed pulled and broke the crust into what we now call the continents and all the continents drained their water in the void left we now call the Atlantic.

The moon would have to be much much much closer to Earth for this to happen. Unfortunately, this would cause massive tides, earthquakes, volcanism and pretty much death for everything.

Also, the moon would have broken up being that close to Earth as it would be within the Roche Limit of Earth. As the moon still exists, that can't have happened.

the water level was once in the neighborhood of 1000 to 1200 ft higher than now..

Where did that water go?

and lands which are barren and grow nothing but grass were salted sea floor just 3200 or maybe 2800 ( Hezekiahs 10 steps) years ago. this is the reason native americans did not want to (M)ove( or love it either ) to Oklahoma. and only tribes that got here later did it . or some they moved only to northern Arkansas/ the Ozarks they would not go to the plains.
ONLY land with trees/ cedars on top were once islands... but even then some of the tree'd islands were completely buried in the event.

then started the wars because everyone lost their livelihood and how they even ate was by sea the seas and sea trading.

after millions of miles of salted dirt had to be crossed to find even little bits of land which would grow anything at all for ages then only grass.. then that little patch of good land / treed lands , that did grow any food had to be defended . so wars on wars on wars.. endless wars. human history is very sad.

No idea where you're getting this from. Evidence?

NO scientism is Nuts and doesn't have a clue.

Says the person putting forward these sorts of ideas.

if the world is so old why isn't it cover with trees .. only some hill tops have trees.. what birds and deer just evolved ?

That's it, the end of the road - close all the labs and tear up the textbooks. NannaNae has finally destroyed the theory of evolution. [/Sarcasm]

No scientism has only been concerned with trying to prove there is no God by making fake time clocks.

I have no idea what 'scientism' is supposed to be. Evolution etc has nothing to do with proving there is no God.

 

[fargonic]

Describe the specific content of Plate Tectonics you know. They I can decide to accept it or not. I do accept part of it.

You probably do not know that there are still a lot of fantasies included in the so-called "theory" of plate tectonics. It is a very big theory. And you probably only know less than a skin depth of it.

What parts are the ones you don't believe?

For example, plate moves? Yes, something is moving. But what is the "plate"?

It is the lithosphere (the crust + the upper mantle).

A plate is a piece of lithosphere. OK, then how do you identify the lower limit (boundary) of a lithosphere?

Is that not considered to be the isotherm at which olivine deforms viscously? Or in more simple terms the point at which rigidity falls off to a more viscous form?

Asthenosphere. Fine, but what is astheosphere?

Is this not the mechanically weaker, more viscous portion of the upper mantle that can sustain convective movement?

 

[fargonic]

I refuse.. that stuff only makes sense if you are high in a class room with people who are high being taught by a professor who is probably high.
then I am sure it is brilliant..... of course so is their own buggers and even they can become poetic " metaphorically speaking"..
so no thanks..

Actually plate tectonics is a beautiful theory. It makes sense to explain why continental margins seem to match up and why some fossils are found on either side of vast oceans even though that animal could not swim great distances.

And the really great thing about it is, when we started to do sonar and magnetic surveys of the sea floor during and after WWII we had a great bit of insight in altering strips of magnetic minerals in the basalt!

It is like a little clock that records things. We found that on either side of the mid-ocean ridges there are these bands that record when the earth's magnetic poles have flipped and they are mirror images of each other. Showing the mid-ocean ridge as the place where the crust is made and pushed out from the middle. And the dating of these events shows us a time frame!

It really doesn't take a lot of "high level" education to get the gist of the theory. And it explains so much!

 

[juvenissun]

What parts are the ones you don't believe?

"Don't believe" is not the right description. Don't agree with a particular model is the right way to say it. If it were you who asked the OP, then my answer would be: Yes and No. The OP is not a right (good) question.

 

[fargonic]

"Don't believe" is not the right description. Don't agree with a particular model is the right way to say it. If it were you who asked the OP, then my answer would be: Yes and No. The OP is not a right (good) question.

What parts don't you agree with then.