Plants and a global flood

[Godzman]

for you anytime is right, but not for me, maybe the people planned on attacking him when he came with his disciples.

The whole context seems to me, he had a reason not to go

 

[Arikay]

I take it my question will be ignored?

 

[Godzman]

Again, you seem to think that your interpretation Must be the correct one or god is a liar.

What if the words are truth, you are just misunderstanding them? Could that ever be possible?

yes I am open to misunderstanding of course, but reading the hebrew and the greek there should be little misunderstanding

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

--Vegetation mats. Ie, plants that float or float on others that do.

--I completely agree, they hold potential falsification. Just don't try to present it to me and think you will convince me that it is in fact falsified.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

But this is a falsification that could be countered by creation scientists. Just take a wide variety of seeds and maybe some chopped up plants and some tree limbs and soak them in salty water for about a year. Then take some soil and put it under salty water for about a year. Then drain the water off and throw the seeds and other plant matter onto the ground and see what grows. You can even bury some of it a bit if you want. Do you wonder why creation scientists haven't done this or if they have haven't publicized it? Could it be that down inside they know what the result would be?

One thing I will predict is that if you have Nothophagus seeds they won't survive. Since your model moves the continents apart before the flood you will have to figure some way to get them across the open water to Australia.

Of course I don't expect any of the many falsifications of the flood to convince you. It seems you are infected with Morton's Demon.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/feb02.html

But if you only want flood falsifications based on geology we have plenty to discuss.

http://www.christianforums.com/t41209&page=1

http://www.christianforums.com/t36392

http://www.christianforums.com/t36270

http://www.christianforums.com/t36254

http://christianforums.com/t50735

http://christianforums.com/t50900

http://christianforums.com/t52191

and of course there are a few more that we perhaps have not covered.

http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/

However, the topic of this thread is the way in which plants present another in the long long list of falsifications of the global flood.

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[troodon]

Just because he went after them does not mean he lied, he told him the time wasn't right for him, meaning that possibly, appearing with them was not such a good idea.

If he didn't want to go with them then shouldn't he have told the truth instead of misleading them? You are correct, it is not a lie, but it is misleading to both the reader (who expects Jesus to not attend) and to the disciples (who expect Jesus to not attend).

Lying is a sin right, so if he lied, then his death is worthless

You are correct, I was wrong and it is not a lie; but neither is Genesis. In fact there is a very strong parallel between the two. God gave the Hebrews Genesis as a symbolic story knowing full well that they would interpret it as literal. Just like Jesus told the disciples that it was not yet time for him to leave knowing full well that they ould interpret that as meaning he would not attend at all. Surely you see the connection...

 

[Arikay]

So it is possible that you could be wrong.

What if gods creation says you are wrong? Will you ignore it? Or go along thinking that you are right and gods creation is wrong?

yes I am open to misunderstanding of course, but reading the hebrew and the greek there should be little misunderstanding

 

[Godzman]

If he didn't want to go with them then shouldn't he have told the truth instead of misleading them? You are correct, it is not a lie, but it is misleading to both the reader (who expects Jesus to not attend) and to the disciples (who expect Jesus to not attend).


You are correct, I was wrong and it is not a lie; but neither is Genesis. In fact there is a very strong parallel between the two. God gave the Hebrews Genesis as a symbolic story knowing full well that they would interpret it as literal. Just like Jesus told the disciples that it was not yet time for him to leave knowing full well that they ould interpret that as meaning he would not attend at all. Surely you see the connection...

sorta, and I see where you are coming from, and creation to me, is a minor issue, I mean in the fact that God could have created the earth, in 6 days, 1 hour, 1 billion years, an instant.

As an OEC, I do believe the earth is old, and I do believe in the Gap theory, for some reason it makes a lot of sense to me, but never mind that. I do think that God wants us to understand scripture.

I do not believe in a literal 6 days, but I sometimes I do, my belief on what Genesis 1 is saying is dependent on my interperation of the day, so I am mistaken Arikay sometimes

 

[Godzman]

So it is possible that you could be wrong.

What if gods creation says you are wrong? Will you ignore it? Or go along thinking that you are right and gods creation is wrong?

Gods creation doesn't lie, but it is a fallen creation, so what is it actually saying

 

[Arikay]

A "fallen" creation doesn't change the evidence. Unless of course, the Devil is able to create new physics for the world. In that case, I would say he is very close in power to god.

In the end, it appears you are willing to accept your own fallible interpretation of the bible, over anything else.

A quote I stole from lucaspa's sig,

"If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is our interpretation of the Bible that is at fault." Christian Observer, 1832, pg. 437;​

Anyway, sorry for offtracking the thread.

Gods creation doesn't lie, but it is a fallen creation, so what is it actually saying

 

[Godzman]

In the end, it appears you are willing to accept your own fallible interpretation of the bible, over anything else.

again your wrong, I am willing to take the one and only true interpertation of scripture God's over mine

 

[troodon]

Ok, getting back to the topic, do any YECs have a scientific explanation for how plants survived the alleged global flood?

 

[Godzman]

Ok, getting back to the topic, do any YECs have a scientific explanation for how plants survived the alleged global flood?

lol

 

[Arikay]

Well, Godz, creationist organizations do claim that they have Scientific reasons for creationism. If they dont, I guess they lied.

 

[Godzman]

Well, Godz, creationist organizations do claim that they have Scientific reasons for creationism. If they dont, I guess they lied.

i would hope they do so they can show some evidence

 

[Arikay]

that would be what the thread is asking about.

Evidence to back up the claim that creationism is valid Science.

 

[Grizzly]

What I've always wanted to know is - where did all that water go after the flood? The "waters receded". Well, receded where? If the earth is covered in water, then where is the water supposed to recede to? Where is it now?

And where was it before the flood?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

again your wrong, I am willing to take the one and only true interpertation of scripture God's over mine

Which according to YECs is YEC and according to OECs is OEC which could be day age or gap theory or maybe something else and I guess theistic evolutionists consider that they have the true interpretation as do geocentric YECs and even the one Geocentric OEC that I have run across. If you want to talk about "true interpretations" you should probably go to appologetics. Now can any YEC explain the diversity and biogeography of plant life on earth in terms of the global flood?

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Jet Black]

the one Geocentric OEC that I have run across.

did you manage to catch it and preserve it?

 

[n2wolves]

could the lack of light from the meer depth of the water covering the earth destroy plant life in the oceans thus breaking the food chain killing all aquatic marine life?