Plants and a global flood

[Godzman]

Just a simple question: How did the terrestrial plant "kinds" we see today survive the alleged global flood?

God

 

[troodon]

God

How did God do it?

 

[TrueCreation]

So you have no idea how plants survived the alleged global flood?

--Sure I have ideas (eg, vegetation mats) but I wouldn't be able to support it adequately. Especially since I know questions regarding survivability of various plants will be a matter, and in order to argue with that I will probably have to know a lot of genetics and biological evolution. Geology is my bit, and the viability of vegetation mats doesn't have very much (at least directly) to do with the geosciences.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Bushido216]

God

Now prove that scientifically and we're on to something.

 

[Bushido216]

And speaking of which, why did God bother with a flood? Why not just save everyone the effort and hit the offenders with lightning bolts?

 

[Godzman]

How did God do it?

Ask him, he hasn't told me yet

 

[Godzman]

Now prove that scientifically and we're on to something.

do we have to prove something scientifically for it to be true, the earth appeared, it can't be proved either way scientifically, without a lot of assumptions, but we know without a shadow of a doubt the earth appeared

 

[TrueCreation]

And speaking of which, why did God bother with a flood? Why not just save everyone the effort and hit the offenders with lightning bolts?

--If had done that, I'm sure we'd be asking the inverse.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[TrueCreation]

do we have to prove something scientifically for it to be true, the earth appeared, it can't be proved either way scientifically, without a lot of assumptions, but we know without a shadow of a doubt the earth appeared

--Thats not a very good analogy..

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Godzman]

--Thats not a very good analogy..

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

thank you


man I read you post wrong, whatever

 

[troodon]

--Sure I have ideas (eg, vegetation mats) but I wouldn't be able to support it adequately. Especially since I know questions regarding survivability of various plants will be a matter, and in order to argue with that I will probably have to know a lot of genetics and biological evolution. Geology is my bit, and the viability of vegetation mats doesn't have very much (at least directly) to do with the geosciences.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

How would vegetation mats allow plant species to survive the flood? You mean plant seeds were carried on the mats? You mean the mats themselves were the surviving vegetation?

Just because plant biology isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it can't falsify a global flood

Ask him, he hasn't told me yet

I'm sorry but that's a horrible answer. There are only a finite number of ways that God could have done this. Some examples include the following:

1) He recreated all the plants He wanted on earth immediatly after the flood

2) He created a force field which surrounded and protected the plants while they were underwater for the duration of the flood.

3) He created a force field which surrounded and protected the plants' seeds while they were underwater for the duration of the flood.

4) God made sure that every single type of plant that He wanted to survive the flood somehow existed as floating mats of vegatation that were then transplanted after the flood.

and you guys say that this is scientific.

 

[Godzman]

How would vegetation mats allow plant species to survive the flood? You mean plant seeds were carried on the mats? You mean the mats themselves were the surviving vegetation?

Just because plant biology isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it can't falsify a global flood

I'm sorry but that's a horrible answer. There are only a finite number of ways that God could have done this. Some examples include the following:

1) He recreated all the plants He wanted on earth immediatly after the flood

2) He created a force field which surrounded and protected the plants while they were underwater for the duration of the flood.

3) He created a force field which surrounded and protected the plants' seeds while they were underwater for the duration of the flood.

4) God made sure that every single type of plant that He wanted to survive the flood somehow existed as floating mats of vegatation that were then transplanted after the flood.

and you guys say that this is scientific.

why do you limit God????

scientific, I never cared to much for science, I like animals and all, but never cared to much for evolution, for it is flawed for it is not all scientific, by your own standards.

 

[troodon]

why do you limit God????

Because there are only so many ways it could have been done

scientific, I never cared to much for science, I like animals and all, but never cared to much for evolution

That's unfortunate you let your feelings get in the way of reason.

for it is flawed for it is not all scientific, by your own standards.

That's funny you claim to not accept evolution for not being "scientific" and yet claim that God made all plants survive the flood and then claim that we cannot possibly comprehend how He did it. Very nice; Christ would be pleased with your hypocrisy

Perhaps you should read the scientific literature on evolution before saying "it is not at all scientific". Have you ever even read a paper on evolution?

 

[Godzman]

Because there are only so many ways it could have been done

[qutoe]scientific, I never cared to much for science, I like animals and all, but never cared to much for evolution

That's unfortunate you let your feelings get in the way of reason.

[qutoe]for it is flawed for it is not all scientific, by your own standards.[/QUOTE]That's funny you claim to not accept evolution for not being "scientific" and yet claim that God made all plants survive the flood and then claim that we cannot possibly comprehend how He did it. Very nice; Christ would be pleased with your hypocrisy

Perhaps you should read the scientific literature on evolution before saying "it is not at all scientific". Have you ever even read a paper on evolution?[/QUOTE]
a limitless God could do it anyway he wanted to, your mind limits God, just as we limit ourselves

 

[Godzman]

Because there are only so many ways it could have been done

That's unfortunate you let your feelings get in the way of reason.

That's funny you claim to not accept evolution for not being "scientific" and yet claim that God made all plants survive the flood and then claim that we cannot possibly comprehend how He did it. Very nice; Christ would be pleased with your hypocrisy

Perhaps you should read the scientific literature on evolution before saying "it is not at all scientific". Have you ever even read a paper on evolution?

not hypocrisy, for I do not trust science, as my saviour, you can, and we shall see at the Judgement seat of Christ

 

[troodon]

a limitless God could do it anyway he wanted to, your mind limits God, just as we limit ourselves

No, that's wrong. In this universe there are only so many ways God could have saved the plants. Many of them involve miracles which bend/break the rules we have in place in this universe, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a limited amount of possibilities.

It's like this; could God make it to where there are more than 9 whole numbers between 0 and 10?

 

[troodon]

not hypocrisy, for I do not trust science, as my saviour, you can, and we shall see at the Judgement seat of Christ

Thank you for claiming that I "trust science, as my saviour". And in the next line you claim Christ to be our Judge; funny you were doing such a great job.

 

[Godzman]

No, that's wrong. In this universe there are only so many ways God could have saved the plants. Many of them involve miracles which bend/break the rules we have in place in this universe, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a limited amount of possibilities.

It's like this; could God make it to where there are more than 9 whole numbers between 0 and 10?

of course he could, for he created our human minds, our limited human minds.

You see it would be very hard to argue with the one who created time itself

 

[Godzman]

Thank you for claiming that I "trust science, as my saviour". And in the next line you claim Christ to be our Judge; funny you were doing such a great job.

well it may be funny, but I wont be laughing for you at the end

 

[TrueCreation]

How would vegetation mats allow plant species to survive the flood? You mean plant seeds were carried on the mats? You mean the mats themselves were the surviving vegetation?

--Vegetation mats. Ie, plants that float or float on others that do.

Just because plant biology isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it can't falsify a global flood

--I completely agree, they hold potential falsification. Just don't try to present it to me and think you will convince me that it is in fact falsified.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose