Planned Parenthood abandons Title X federal funds after Trump rule prohibits abortion referrals

[redleghunter]

Planned Parenthood abandons Title X federal funds after Trump rule prohibits abortion referrals

Planned Parenthood announced Monday that it is pulling out of the Title X federal family planning program rather than abide by a new Trump administration rule prohibiting participants from referring patients for abortions.

Pro-life groups heralded the abrupt decision as a major victory -- and one that signaled that Planned Parenthood, contrary to its claims, is primarily a politically motivated abortion provider, not a healthcare organization.

The rule does not prohibit medical providers from discussing abortion with patients, but prevents them from telling patients where they can obtain one. The rule's requirements also include financial separation from facilities that provide abortion, designating abortion counseling as optional instead of standard practice, and limiting which staff members can discuss abortion with patients. Clinics would have until next March to separate their office space and examination rooms from the physical facilities of providers that offer abortions.

Planned Parenthood's pullout followed a June order from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that lifted a nationwide injunction that had prevented the Trump administration from enforcing the new rule. The court's three-judge panel, with two judges appointed by President Trump, is still weighing Planned Parenthood's lawsuit to overturn the rule but has allowed the administration to begin enforcement -- a sign that the administration will ultimately win on the merits.

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[JackRT]

Let's just abandon all pretense that women are fully capable of making any sort of decisions on their own. We could strike a committee to investigate sharia law with a view implementing those aspects that would help us regain total control of women.

 

[hedrick]

Let's just abandon all pretense that women are fully capable of making any sort of decisions on their own. We could strike a committee to investigate sharia law with a view implementing those aspects that would help us regain total control of women.

Not to mention the first amendment.

 

[redleghunter]

Let's just abandon all pretense that women are fully capable of making any sort of decisions on their own. We could strike a committee to investigate sharia law with a view implementing those aspects that would help us regain total control of women.

I take you disagree with PP withdrawing?

 

[redleghunter]

Not to mention the first amendment.

Whose first amendment rights were violated?

 

[hedrick]

Whose first amendment rights were violated?

Doctors who are told they can't say something.

 

[redleghunter]

Since PP claims abortion services are such a small small percentage of what they do, this should not be such a setback.

 

[redleghunter]

Doctors who are told they can't say something.

Doctors are still allowed to discuss abortion options with patients.

 

[hedrick]

Doctors are still allowed to discuss abortion options with patients.

But not say where they can get one. This is still a restriction on speech.

 

[JackRT]

I take you disagree with PP withdrawing?

No, I am disagreeing with two things:
* the attempt to prevent women from controlling what is going on with their own bodies
* the attempt to control doctors by limiting their ability to make referrals
We are talking here about a perfectly legal medical procedure.

 

[redleghunter]

But not say where they can get one. This is still a restriction on speech.

I think they can. Just not refer.

 

[redleghunter]

No, I am disagreeing with two things:
* the attempt to prevent women from controlling what is going on with their own bodies
* the attempt to control doctors by limiting their ability to make referrals
We are talking here about a perfectly legal medical procedure.

PP will continue to do so. Just not with federal funding.

 

[hedrick]

I think they can. Just not refer.

I only know what's in the story pointed to in the OP, from Fox: "The rule does not prohibit medical providers from discussing abortion with patients, but prevents them from telling patients where they can obtain one."

 

[redleghunter]

The rule's requirements also include financial separation from facilities that provide abortion,

This part was interesting. I believe this will sever the fetal tissue for profit racket PP had going with some facilities.

 

[hedrick]

This part was interesting. I believe this will sever the fetal tissue for profit racket PP had going with some facilities.

I believe the implication behind this rule is that it's protecting against having Federal funds used for abortion. To my knowledge, that's already illegal, and I don't believe their abortion services need subsidy anyway.

 

[redleghunter]

I believe the implication behind this rule is that it's protecting against having Federal funds used for abortion. To my knowledge, that's already illegal, and I don't believe their abortion services need subsidy anyway.

Then no harm no foul. If this is truly the case then taking Title X funding should not hinder other operations. I guess all their private funding aborting 300K a year is covered.

 

[hedrick]

Then no harm no foul. If this is truly the case then taking Title X funding should not hinder other operations. I guess all their private funding aborting 300K a year is covered.

The foul is to women who depend upon them for other things.

 

[redleghunter]

The foul is to women who depend upon them for other things.

Then PP should comply and continue providing those services. They claim abortion services are such a small percentage of their operation. Their actions prove otherwise.

 

[hedrick]

Then PP should comply and continue providing those services. They claim abortion services are such a small percentage of their operation. Their actions prove otherwise.

Because this is part of a game that involves adding restriction after restriction. The only way to win is not to play.

 

[redleghunter]

Because this is part of a game that involves adding restriction after restriction. The only way to win is not to play.

Or it exposes what is already known. Abortion is the primary influx of money for PP. Also what they get back for providing fetal tissue.