Planet Fitness At It Again

[BPPLEE]

It doesn't sound as if the woman was harmed in any way by the experience. Offended, but not harmed.

So do you mind if a male stranger takes a look at your wife, topless in the women’s changing room as long as there’s no harm? How far can this go, can he watch her change anytime as long as there’s no harm?

 

[Ana the Ist]

So do you mind if a male stranger takes a look at your wife, topless in the women’s changing room as long as there’s no harm? How far can this go, can he watch her change anytime as long as there’s no harm?

Another poster who defended the "right" of "trans children" to take puberty blockers and hormones had a similar response when I asked if he would put his 9yo daughter on these medications if she came home from school and claimed she was a boy after learning about these concepts at school...

His answer was along the lines of "well I don't know if I'd do that to my daughter".

These so called morals are only held at a distance. They seem to change whenever they affect someone personally. Even the girl in the article seemed to question her reaction...because she probably defended the idea of biological men in the women’s restroom/locker room. It's easy to adopt moral positions you can't imagine affecting you.

It's easy to be against war until your neighbor spends the next 70 years trying to destroy you.

It's easy to be for racial discrimination until you're fired for the color of your skin.

It's easy to be for biological men in women’s spaces until one is staring at you while you get undressed in the women's locker room.

 

[RileyG]

As an uncle of a young niece, I WILL call the police on a man who wants to get into woman's private spaces. Their identity means nothing. Just because they refuse to accept reality and live in their own fantasy world, doesn't mean all people have to accept it.

 

[Pommer]

As an uncle of a young niece, I WILL call the police on a man who wants to get into woman's private spaces.

You know, for all the back-and-forth we’ve had over the years about this scenario, I’ve never once thought about having to call the police to take care of this, a purely social issue.

Their identity means nothing.

Yet, somehow they’re not “second-class-citizens”?
Interesting.

Just because they refuse to accept reality and live in their own fantasy world, doesn't mean all people have to accept it.

If we can’t accommodate the 0.6% of the people so “afflicted”, maybe our society isn’t worth living in?

 

[Ana the Ist]

You know, for all the back-and-forth we’ve had over the years about this scenario, I’ve never once thought about having to call the police to take care of this, a purely social issue.

Depends upon the situation. Teen girls can get free gym memberships over the summer.

https://www.planetfitness.com/newsroom/news/teens-get-free-gym-access-planet-fitness-high-school-summer-pass-how-sign

If creepy guy is popping in on them as they're changing....it's certainly an issue that requires the police imo.

Yet, somehow they’re not “second-class-citizens”?
Interesting.

Yeah....superficial identities based on sex, gender, race, etc....means nothing. Everyone should be treated the same and subject to the same rules. Just because someone doesn't receive special privileges because of their claimed identity doesn't make them second class citizens.

In fact, if they receive special privileges based on these superficial claimed identities....everyone else becomes the second class citizens.

If we can’t accommodate the 0.6% of the people so “afflicted”, maybe our society isn’t worth living in?

If they feel that way....they're free to leave. Accommodation = unequal treatment under the law in this case. They have every freedom and right I do....and yet they demand more. They demand things they don't afford anyone else. Every time they are appeased they demand more. Enough is enough.

 

[Pommer]

If they feel that way....they're free to leave. Accommodation = unequal treatment under the law in this case. They have every freedom and right I do....and yet they demand more. They demand things they don't afford anyone else. Every time they are appeased they demand more. Enough is enough.

If only they’d leave “normal people” alone, then their troubles with those (normal) people would disappear?
Mercy I didn’t think that it was that simple!

 

[IceJad]

How is a stranger stating into private bedroom on private property comparable to an employee using a public bathroom in a public locker room at his job and getting what even she describes as a brief glance of her topless before leaving expeditiously…?

You're joking right? Regardless whether the place is for private use or public use the rule is women places mean women places. It's not hard to understand. I don't care if it was a public toilet or a private one. As long as there is a sign to indicate that it is a women's one men under NO CONDITION should use it. Even as a guy I don't feel comfortable showing my nakedness to any unknown women or man for that matter, what's more women who have 2 different areas which are considered sexual indecencies. This is never about private vs public places. It's about personal dignity.

He undignified her by using spaces designated for her kind specifically. It is well within her rights to be livid about it not to mention that it is CRIMINAL in nature.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I mean, I understand what you’re saying, but it’s still an invasion of privacy, so to speak.

And eating a salad and eating a steak are both still eating, but that doesn’t make them a comparable meal. The expectation of privacy in one’s home and bathroom by the general public is lightyears different than the expectation of privacy in a public space.

Ultimately, the guy had every right to be there as he works there and when one changes openly in a locker room, one expects they will be seen by others. She just didn’t expect to be seen by him. I can appreciate that on her part, but she is attributing malice to what was likely somebody’s overactive colon and ignoring what is also his reasonable expectation to not have to soil himself publicly while at work.

If you’ve never had to dive into the first bathroom you see because of a GI or urinary issue, God bless you, you’re a lucky soul. Or if you’ve never used the opposite genders bathroom, deliberately or accidentally, again, God bless you. But for the rest of us, we can absolutely think of times where we went to the first available and hoped for the best. And it used to be either you weren’t seen so no harm, no foul, or you were and both parties silently acknowledged the awkwardness or mutual embarrassment and recognized that accidents happen or bodily functions don’t always cooperate, and everybody goes about their day.

I bet you beyond all shadow of a doubt, he wanted to see her as little or even less than she wanted to be seen and any embarrassment she feels is eclipsed by the fact that his need to deuce has been analyzed by his co-workers, his boss, the regional boss, corporate, and the internet.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The women's restroom and women's lockerroom.

The similarity is the expectation of privacy from the opposite sex. One does not expect some male stranger to be staring at them while naked.

All parties agree he didn’t stare; he saw and then left. And there is no reasonable expectation of privacy that the employee of a gym won’t enter the locker room in the space they work in, nor a reasonable expectation that, in the event of an emergency, the area won’t be openly accessible to anybody who needs it. It might be your expectation, but it isn’t a reasonable one. The designation of whose space it is comes from the owner of the space and it is a social distinction, not a legally impenetrable one.

Now that I've answered your questions...I'd like to hear the answer to mine from the poster I asked.

He made what I think is a ridiculous statement but I'm giving him the opportunity to back it up.

So then talk to them…? Not exactly sure what you want me to do or what that has any relevance to me whatsoever.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Ok....link?

Just so we are clear, you want me to link you the article that is the first post in this thread and made by you and is the basis of the whole discussion, to reply to a post of yours that literally says “I didn't originally watch the video attached to the article” but proceeds to make assumptions about what happened anyway…?

Not only do you acknowledge the video is there, in the article (and thus you know where to find it), but you freely admit everything you’ve said comes despite not actually watching said video to get the story.

Literally have no idea what you expect me to do about that. Horses, water, drinking, and all that.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Why is it creepy?

You said no harm is being done.

This woman had essentially the same experience....a man watching her in a state of undress where men aren't supposed to be.

He didn’t, you did. It’s your analogy, not his.

Why wouldn't you want her to have the same privacy you'd want for your granddaughter? Why call the police on a man "doing no harm"?

Are you saying you think there is zero difference between the employee of a gym walking out of a bathroom he had to use in the women’s locker room and happening to see somebody on his way out and a stranger who has nothing to do with you or your property going onto your property, going to your window, and watching you undress?

The expectation of privacy in a communal space in a facility with employees who are there to maintain it, accessed while at work and on business hours, and available to all during an emergency is exactly the same as the privacy you expect in your bedroom on your property during evening hours? You see no difference?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You're joking right? Regardless whether the place is for private use or public use the rule is women places mean women places. It's not hard to understand.

No, it does not. Employees access and emergencies occur where people of any gender need to access a bathroom that isn’t “theirs.” I’d even argue that a locker room, there is an expectation you will be seen and there’s a potential to be accidentally seen. Somebody holds a door open too long, a person goes into a wrong locker room accidentally, you don’t realize the mirror reflects out the door, etc etc.

I don't care if it was a public toilet or a private one. As long as there is a sign to indicate that it is a women's one men under NO CONDITION should use it.

So no emergencies ever, then? Bathrooms are tied up and people who need a bathroom should just soil themselves? The space should only be accessed, cleaned, maintained, by the employees of the gender of the room?

Even as a guy I don't feel comfortable showing my nakedness to any unknown women or man for that matter, what's more women who have 2 different areas which are considered sexual indecencies. This is never about private vs public places. It's about personal dignity.

That is your personal standard and good for you. It is not the universal standard. Exceptions occur, accidents happen.

If being seen naked is that horrendous for you, then you should probably avoid the locker room or use one of the private stalls.

He undignified her by using spaces designated for her kind specifically. It is well within her rights to be livid about it not to mention that it is CRIMINAL in nature.

It is not criminal, first off, and secondly, she undignified him by having an expectation that he should not access a bathroom he needs because she opted to change in the open part of the locker room instead of a private part.

If she’s in a private stall, he opens it, takes a good long look, then wanders off? Yep, that’s an issue. But she said he crossed from the bathroom area in front of a doorway with a view to the locker room, did not linger, and saw her while crossing through. He didn’t stop, he didn’t stare, he didn’t take a picture, she didn’t draw her like Jack draws French girls, he left. According to her, not according to him, according to HER.

 

[BCP1928]

Why is it creepy?

You said no harm is being done.

This woman had essentially the same experience....a man watching her in a state of undress where men aren't supposed to be.

Why wouldn't you want her to have the same privacy you'd want for your granddaughter? Why call the police on a man "doing no harm"?

Because sneaking around to peek at naked women is creepy and suggestive of a capacity for perverted behavior which may in fact be harmful, and it is illegal. In any case one's expectation of privacy in one's bedroom with the shades drawn is rather different from that in a public locker room.
Was the individual at Planet Fitness hiding and peeking out at naked women unbeknownst to them? Or did he just rush to use the toilet and happen to catch a glimpse of a naked woman?

 

[IceJad]

No, it does not. Employees access and emergencies occur where people of any gender need to access a bathroom that isn’t “theirs.” I’d even argue that a locker room, there is an expectation you will be seen and there’s a potential to be accidentally seen. Somebody holds a door open too long, a person goes into a wrong locker room accidentally, you don’t realize the mirror reflects out the door, etc etc.

So no emergencies ever, then? Bathrooms are tied up and people who need a bathroom should just soil themselves? The space should only be accessed, cleaned, maintained, by the employees of the gender of the room?


That is your personal standard and good for you. It is not the universal standard. Exceptions occur, accidents happen.

If being seen naked is that horrendous for you, then you should probably avoid the locker room or use one of the private stalls.


It is not criminal, first off, and secondly, she undignified him by having an expectation that he should not access a bathroom he needs because she opted to change in the open part of the locker room instead of a private part.

If she’s in a private stall, he opens it, takes a good long look, then wanders off? Yep, that’s an issue. But she said he crossed from the bathroom area in front of a doorway with a view to the locker room, did not linger, and saw her while crossing through. He didn’t stop, he didn’t stare, he didn’t take a picture, she didn’t draw her like Jack draws French girls, he left. According to her, not according to him, according to HER.

First of all yes it is criminal. If she was to call the police instead of just telling the management guess who is getting a ride to the station. Secondly you don't get to yell "the men's are all occupied and I have to go urgently" then walk into the ladies room. Having to relief yourself is not an emergency valid enough to run into the ladies room.

 

[BCP1928]

First of all yes it is criminal. If she was to call the police instead of just telling the management guess who is getting a ride to the station. Secondly you don't get to yell "the men's are all occupied and I have to go urgently" then walk into the ladies room. Having to relief yourself is not an emergency valid enough to run into the ladies room.

I'm not sure that's true. There are laws in some jurisdictions about loitering in public bathrooms, but they are not gendered, and in fact their origin has more to do with preventing homosexual solicitation in the men's.

 

[IceJad]

I'm not sure that's true. There are laws in some jurisdictions about loitering in public bathrooms, but they are not gendered, and in fact their origin has more to do with preventing homosexual solicitation in the men's.

Yes it is true even for America.

Bathroom bill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tropical Wilds]

First of all yes it is criminal. If she was to call the police instead of just telling the management guess who is getting a ride to the station.

Nobody. They don’t arrest people for being in the wrong bathroom, lol. I worked with police department as a 911 dispatcher for years and never once did anybody get arrested for it. I about we would have even sent anybody if somebody called the police for this, lol.

Secondly you don't get to yell "the men's are all occupied and I have to go urgently" then walk into the ladies room. Having to relief yourself is not an emergency valid enough to run into the ladies room.

Actually, yes you do. Thank a girl named Ally and Representative Ryg.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Yes it is true even for America.

Bathroom bill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well you clearly didn’t read that before posting it, lol!

 

[IceJad]

Nobody. They don’t arrest people for being in the wrong bathroom, lol. I worked with police department as a 911 dispatcher for years and never once did anybody get arrested for it. I about we would have even sent anybody if somebody called the police for this, lol.

Actually, yes you do. Thank a girl named Ally and Representative Ryg.

Then you are not following the laws of your own country. Worse still you're attached to a police department. Remember he is not a trans or queer. Bathroom bill is in total effect for him. If anyone in my country try to pull this stun they are definitely getting arrested. Oppies is not a valid reason.

 

[IceJad]

Well you clearly didn’t read that before posting it, lol!

No You didn't read it properly. Whatever provision made is only for the non-hetero. Any hetero still falls under the bathroom bill.