Piracy and sin

[QueSi]

First of all it's not pirating secondly most people don't know the law it is neither illegal or legal.

How is it not the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright?

 

[Jay NotApplicable]

Whether or not it's stealing and therefore wrong is debatable. If you aren't actually taking something from somebody then how is it stealing? You're just copying. But if you were going to buy it, and instead copied it you would be depriving the person of that money, so it would be stealing. My opinion is that it's wrong to copy it if you would have bought it otherwise. But if it's something that you wouldn't have spent money on anyway, then copying it won't deprive the owner of anything.

Whether or not it's a crime though...The idea of it being a crime is kinda silly. Nobody gets into trouble for copying things like that. Just because something is written on the books doesn't make it a law. A law is something that is both written and enforced. Otherwise it would be a sin for a man with a mustache to kiss a woman in some places in America. We can get silly and obey everything that's written. But I think it's more practical to just obey the laws that are both written and enforced.

 

[Avniel]

How is it not the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright?

You already bought the product. It's arguable but undecided, it's in a legal limbo as of right now.

 

[QueSi]

You already bought the product. It's arguable but undecided, it's in a legal limbo as of right now.

He bought it for a different platform, so it is a different product.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

He bought it for a different platform, so it is a different product.

Yeah thats the only part of this that makes it questionable. Example I love angry birds on my Ipod. WHile there is ways for me to get it all free on anything else. I choose not to and still just buy it for my Ipad, Computer....etc. Of course its also only a few bucks. If it cost $50 each then I am not sure what I would do. Likely just accept I only have it on one platform.

This also gets into the question of what the game company says. For example some things allow you to install it on up to 3 other computers. Some allow you to make a physical cd copy a few times. Some in rare cases, allow you to give it to a friend (his own license).

 

[QueSi]

Yeah thats the only part of this that makes it questionable. Example I love angry birds on my Ipod. WHile there is ways for me to get it all free on anything else. I choose not to and still just buy it for my Ipad, Computer....etc. Of course its also only a few bucks. If it cost $50 each then I am not sure what I would do. Likely just accept I only have it on one platform.

This also gets into the question of what the game company says. For example some things allow you to install it on up to 3 other computers. Some allow you to make a physical cd copy a few times. Some in rare cases, allow you to give it to a friend (his own license).

I haven't heard of any of these rare cases yet, do you have any examples?

 

[BFine]

An example would be, where I live in Canada we are legally
allowed to make a copy of dvd's, cd's etc.
I have some games that allow you to make a copy and or load
it on other computers-- Microsoft Office allows you to put it on
several other computers.

However...the OP said piracy, that is a crime.
Unless the game he wants is offered for free by
the software company that makes it, he will have to shell
out the $6.99 for the Star Wars Battleground 1
for his computer, better yet--he can rent it
from game stores like Ebgames...they even do trade-ins etc.
The game isn't expensive.

 

[Avniel]

He bought it for a different platform, so it is a different product.

That's one side of the argument but there is another. Like I said its not illegal or legal the courts will have to decide this and have legislation drawn up that clearly makes it illegal or legal.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

Whether or not it's stealing and therefore wrong is debatable. If you aren't actually taking something from somebody then how is it steal ?.....

Stealing (defrauding) isnt only taking something physical , it is also taking something that does another out of his rightful profit needed for his business to stay afloat and to provide a needed income so he can make a living personally. Cheating a person in such a manner is absolutely wrong in every circumstance and it displeases God so much that God in his Word says that no Swindlers can ever enter Heaven unless they completely turn from it.

 

[Jay NotApplicable]

Stealing (defrauding) isnt only taking something physical , it is also taking something that does another out of his rightful profit needed for his business to stay afloat and to provide a needed income so he can make a living personally. Cheating a person in such a manner is absolutely wrong in every circumstance and it displeases God so much that God in his Word says that no Swindlers can ever enter Heaven unless they completely turn from it.

I agree that copying it instead of paying for it causes somebody a loss, and is therefore wrong. But I what about if you were never going to pay for it in the first place? Copying something that you were never going to pay for anyway doesn't deprive somebody of something.

There seems to be a thin line here, and I guess it's up to each person's conscience on how to handle it.

 

[QueSi]

I agree that copying it instead of paying for it causes somebody a loss, and is therefore wrong. But I what about if you were never going to pay for it in the first place? Copying something that you were never going to pay for anyway doesn't deprive somebody of something.

There seems to be a thin line here, and I guess it's up to each person's conscience on how to handle it.

So according to your logic it's ok for me to go steal an Aston Martin since I would never pay for one anyways?

 

[Avniel]

So according to your logic it's ok for me to go steal an Aston Martin since I would never pay for one anyways?

That's a tad bit different you never bought the rights to an Ashton Martin. What your asking is can you buy a Honda and turn it into a Ashton Martin.

The fact is once you buy software and you load it on to your CPU you have rights to use that software. If it were illegal it would also be illegal to back up programs. There are so many different situations that would make it hard to judge a law that made this stealing. Legally it is not stealing as I've said.

I don't think it's stealing at all. If you have bought an item you have a right to back up that said program.

 

[QueSi]

That's a tad bit different you never bought the rights to an Ashton Martin. What your asking is can you buy a Honda and turn it into a Ashton Martin.

The fact is once you buy software and you load it on to your CPU you have rights to use that software. If it were illegal it would also be illegal to back up programs. There are so many different situations that would make it hard to judge a law that made this stealing. Legally it is not stealing as I've said.

I don't think it's stealing at all. If you have bought an item you have a right to back up that said program.

It's different platforms, so it is different software. He didn't buy the software for the console he wants it on now. I completely agree if he wanted to make a back up, or even download another copy for the same platform that he already purchased would be fine, but downloading software that he never payed for before is illegal and stealing.

And it's not different because the person I was replying to simply said it would seem ok to download software if he never intended to buy it in the first place.

 

[Avniel]

It's different platforms, so it is different software. He didn't buy the software for the console he wants it on now. I completely agree if he wanted to make a back up, or even download another copy for the same platform that he already purchased would be fine, but downloading software that he never payed for before is illegal and stealing.

And it's not different because the person I was replying to simply said it would seem ok to download software if he never intended to buy it in the first place.

Just read the op again yes that's illegal

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

I agree that copying it instead of paying for it causes somebody a loss, and is therefore wrong. But I what about if you were never going to pay for it in the first place? Copying something that you were never going to pay for anyway doesn't deprive somebody of something.

There seems to be a thin line here, and I guess it's up to each person's conscience on how to handle it.

I fail to see how that matters ; in fact, people who do such things have it in their mind that they arent going to pay for it and thats part of the 'benefit' ! There is no excuse for cheating, swindling , defrauding...God doesnt think so too.

 

[QueSi]

Just read the op again yes that's illegal

Ok, "So lets say there is this PC game I wanted. I had already owned the game twice on CD for another platform, both of which don't work."

So he wants the same game on a different platform, which is different software, so yes it's stealing and illegal.

 

[Jay NotApplicable]

If you made a painting, and I snuck up and snapped a picture of it through your window, am I stealing you painting? I would have never paid for it anyway, and you aren't losing anything.

 

[TheDag]

That's a tad bit different you never bought the rights to an Ashton Martin. What your asking is can you buy a Honda and turn it into a Ashton Martin.

The fact is once you buy software and you load it on to your CPU you have rights to use that software. If it were illegal it would also be illegal to back up programs. There are so many different situations that would make it hard to judge a law that made this stealing. Legally it is not stealing as I've said.

I don't think it's stealing at all. If you have bought an item you have a right to back up that said program.

yes but getting a different copy for a different platform that has different programming and using it is not making a copy for backup purposes is it. Here the law clearly specifies you can make a copy for personal use only as backup. It may be different where the OP is.

 

[SilverBlade]

I think this conversation will be a lot more interesting when 3D printers become advanced enough to print out fully functioning electronics like mp3 players, or even things like watches.

 

[seashale76]

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