Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

[mzungu]

The laws of physics have no bearing on the soul because the soul transcends the physical.

I agree with you in the sense that science does not delve into the spiritual and the spiritual should not delve into science.

Science does not and should not involve itself with the unfalsifiable lest it spend its time chasing unicorns and fairies and pink polka dotted baby dragons.

Religion is based on faith and spirituality. Science is based on empirical evidences and the falsifiable. The two should not mix.

 

[Elendur]

I agree with you in the sense that science does not delve into the spiritual and the spiritual should not delve into science.

Science does not and should not involve itself with the unfalsifiable lest it spend its time chasing unicorns and fairies and pink polka dotted baby dragons.

Religion is based on faith and spirituality. Science is based on empirical evidences and the falsifiable. The two should not mix.

 

[Illuminaughty]

the laws of physics underlying everyday life are completely understood

Really? That seems like a pretty bold assertion there.

 

[Guy1]

Occam’s Razor can take a hike.

It's how science operates. If you don't like it, you can go live in a cave.

You restrict yourself to science books written by those who study the brain.

I rely on books written by those who studied the creator of the brain.

This is a science forum. You keep your bible out of my science , and I don't bash said bible with reality.

It helps us to see why you guys are in such a conundrum. That’s a question that even your Google friend cannot answer:

“The precise way that long-term memories are structured and represented across billions of synapses is the subject of intense ongoing research and remains one of the great mysteries of neuroscience…The most popular view on short-term memory is that it results from signaling patterns circulating in "recurrent feedback loops" within neural circuits on the scale of a 1 millimeter or so of brain tissue, but this too is the subject of ongoing research.” - Quora.

Gravity is also the subject of ongoing research. There is a phenomenon it simply cannot explain (Singularities) and, most disgracefully, it doesn't fit in with any of our other theories. Would you like to argue against that as well?

Except that you don’t know how the experience is retained. Your Google friend is still trying to figure that out.

Yet even you admit you can see a memory, and we can test to see if there is one.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

I am not trying to tell you what God says a soul is. We are using man's dictionary here. You can do a google search and come up with a definition.

I know who the Godfather of Soul is.

 

[Greg1234]

It's how science operates. If you don't like it, you can go live in a cave.

The ills of the soul (ignorance, fear, etc) were caused by materialism in the first place. The majority of bodily distresses are also caused by materialism.

This is a science forum. You keep your bible out of my science , and I don't bash said bible with reality.

Reality? Don't you mean triviality and error?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Reality? Don't you mean triviality and error?

Are you describing the bible?

 

[Greg1234]

Are you describing the bible?

Nope. Physical science.

 

[Elendur]

Nope. Physical science.

So you're saying physical science is consisting of only triviality and errors?

I say you're wrong in that, and I back that up with cars, electronics and skyscrapers. They are not trivial matters and errors could (large ones would) render them useless or life threatening (of course, more then they already are, since there's always the human factor).

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Nope. Physical science.

Well, you did mention trivial and error, so you can understand why I might think you were referencing the bible.

 

[Greg1234]

So you're saying physical science is consisting of only triviality and errors?

I say you're wrong in that, and I back that up with cars, electronics and skyscrapers.

There is much greater when dealing with the spirit. In a small pond the size of the physical they can appear to be big, but when juxtaposed with aspects of man such as the soul and spirit, they are not.

Well, you did mention trivial and error, so you can understand why I might think you were referencing the bible.

Nope. Physical science. Hope that one cleared up for you.

 

[Elendur]

There is much greater when dealing with the spirit. In a small pond the size of the physical they can appear to be big, but when juxtaposed with aspects of man such as the soul and spirit, they are not.

The size doesn't matter, you were making a claim about the contents, not the size.

 

[Greg1234]

The size doesn't matter, you were making a claim about the contents, not the size.

The physical, as in the physical spectrum of the universe.

 

[Elendur]

The physical, as in the physical spectrum of the universe.

Yes, I understood that. You still made the claim that physical science is triviality and error.
That is unaffected by what spectrum it's investigating or what size it is, since you described its contents with those terms.
I explained why that was wrong.

 

[Ronald]

"Claims that some form of consciousness persists after our bodies die and decay into their constituent atoms face one huge, insuperable obstacle: the laws of physics underlying everyday life are completely understood, and there’s no way within those laws to allow for the information stored in our brains to persist after we die. If you claim that some form of soul persists beyond death, what particles is that soul made of? What forces are holding it together? How does it interact with ordinary matter?" Sean Carrol (Phd Physics Harvard)

The soul is not physical and consists of the mind, emotions, will and basic personality. The mind uses the brain in this physical realm and then when we die, it moves on without the body. This is beyond physics, it's extra-dimensional. We can see neuro-transmitters, the chemicals used to send messages and other brain activities, but the mind, tough integrated, is separate. God is not physical, He is spirit and has a mind, emotions, will, creativity, etc. When the Bible says we are made in his image, this invisible self is the image it's talking about.

Just what is the tree of life or even the bread of life

Jesus said, "I am the vine, you are the branches". Symbolically, He is the tree of life. He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life ..." "...you must eat my flesh and drink my blood" is also symbolic for consumming the word of God. He is the Word, He is the bread of life. Read the New Testament and you are eating and nourishing yourself. Believe in Him, ask for forgiveness and you are being washed by His blood sacrifice. Taking communion and drinking the wine/grape juice symbolizes his blood sacrifice that we do regularly to remember what He did.

He ate fish and honey, after the resurrection

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Angels are spirits that can appear in the form of a human and eat. The Bible says that it is possible that we have entertained angels at times. Jesus' resurrected body is extra-dimensional, able to appear and disappear, become physical, eat and fly or beam himself up to heaven or so to speak. Our eternal bodies will be like that! For all you atheists, don't bother challenging this now, this is too incredible for you to understand.

 

[selfinflikted]

For all you atheists, don't bother challenging this now, this is too incredible for you to understand.

We understand it, we just don't believe it.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

The soul is not physical and consists of the mind, emotions, will and basic personality. The mind uses the brain in this physical realm and then when we die, it moves on without the body. This is beyond physics, it's extra-dimensional. We can see neuro-transmitters, the chemicals used to send messages and other brain activities, but the mind, tough integrated, is separate. God is not physical, He is spirit and has a mind, emotions, will, creativity, etc. When the Bible says we are made in his image, this invisible self is the image it's talking about.

Jesus said, "I am the vine, you are the branches". Symbolically, He is the tree of life. He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life ..." "...you must eat my flesh and drink my blood" is also symbolic for consumming the word of God. He is the Word, He is the bread of life. Read the New Testament and you are eating and nourishing yourself. Believe in Him, ask for forgiveness and you are being washed by His blood sacrifice. Taking communion and drinking the wine/grape juice symbolizes his blood sacrifice that we do regularly to remember what He did.

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Angels are spirits that can appear in the form of a human and eat. The Bible says that it is possible that we have entertained angels at times. Jesus' resurrected body is extra-dimensional, able to appear and disappear, become physical, eat and fly or beam himself up to heaven or so to speak. Our eternal bodies will be like that! For all you atheists, don't bother challenging this now, this is too incredible for you to understand.

Is this Deepak?

 

[Norman321]

The soul is not physical

The point Carrol was making is that there is NOTHING in science to back that up. You can not store memory using pure energy. My response was that it's a mute point because of the resurrection of the dead. The physical body is raised.

 

[Greg1234]

The soul is not physical and consists of the mind, emotions, will and basic personality. The mind uses the brain in this physical realm and then when we die, it moves on without the body. This is beyond physics, it's extra-dimensional. We can see neuro-transmitters, the chemicals used to send messages and other brain activities, but the mind, tough integrated, is separate. God is not physical, He is spirit and has a mind, emotions, will, creativity, etc. When the Bible says we are made in his image, this invisible self is the image it's talking about.

Jesus said, "I am the vine, you are the branches". Symbolically, He is the tree of life. He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life ..." "...you must eat my flesh and drink my blood" is also symbolic for consumming the word of God. He is the Word, He is the bread of life. Read the New Testament and you are eating and nourishing yourself. Believe in Him, ask for forgiveness and you are being washed by His blood sacrifice. Taking communion and drinking the wine/grape juice symbolizes his blood sacrifice that we do regularly to remember what He did.

.
Angels are spirits that can appear in the form of a human and eat. The Bible says that it is possible that we have entertained angels at times. Jesus' resurrected body is extra-dimensional, able to appear and disappear, become physical, eat and fly or beam himself up to heaven or so to speak. Our eternal bodies will be like that! For all you atheists, don't bother challenging this now, this is too incredible for you to understand.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Is this Deepak?

I always think of Tupac when I see Deepak.