Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

[Norman321]

How is quoting a sermon scientific to begin with?

R U saying you want scientific evidence for the resurrection or for Chi? Because like I said, the attribute this to spontaneous remission when they witness unexpected improvement. If someone were to raise from the dead then they would claim that person was never dead. Someone somewhere must have made a mistake.

Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

 

[Norman321]

Maybe, after six thousand years, you'd have a concise definition of soul.

I am not trying to tell you what God says a soul is. We are using man's dictionary here. You can do a google search and come up with a definition.

 

[Guy1]

R U saying you want scientific evidence for the resurrection or for Chi?

I want clear, concise definitions or the two terms, the mechanisms through which they work, the predictions that can be made with these ideas, and a way to falsify them. Only then can we talk evidence.

Because like I said, the attribute this to spontaneous remission when they witness unexpected improvement.

That's basically doctors throwing their hands up and saying "I have no clue why this happened." So this makes no real sense to me.

If someone were to raise from the dead then they would claim that person was never dead. Someone somewhere must have made a mistake.

Of course they were never dead. Because the lack of a heartbeat and the death of brain cells wasn't a good enough signal.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

It's funny how in all their wisdom they have no control over the course of things. And whether a man hides in a BMW, a 747, or puts his head under a coffee machine, his "luck" is neither improved nor diminished one iota. What has to happen still happens, what is deflected recurs, and what is engineered is used to demonstrate the same will of God in the lives of men.

So, does praying have any measurable effect on the "will of God"? If so, how would you know?

 

[Greg1234]

So, does praying have any measurable effect on the "will of God"?

Prayer is only a single part of the process. You do know that, right?

If so, how would you know?

Keep your bible handy.

 

[Norman321]

Of course they were never dead. Because the lack of a heartbeat and the death of brain cells wasn't a good enough signal.

When your heart stops does that mean your dead? What if they shock you and get your heart going again. Then what?

 

[Guy1]

When your heart stops does that mean your dead? What if they shock you and get your heart going again. Then what?

These days we go by the death of cells in a certain part of the brain to tell if one can't be revived. Otherwise it's relatively simple to bring people back from the dead (with exceptions of course).

 

[Norman321]

These days we go by the death of cells in a certain part of the brain to tell if one can't be revived. Otherwise it's relatively simple to bring people back from the dead (with exceptions of course).

So if there is no heart beat for five min or longer, then what is the chance that you will be able to revive them?

 

[Guy1]

So if there is no heart beat for five min or longer, then what is the chance that you will be able to revive them?

I'm no doctor but chances are, if it's been over five minutes, there might be brain damage.

 

[Norman321]

I want clear, concise definitions or the two terms, the mechanisms through which they work, the predictions that can be made with these ideas, and a way to falsify them. Only then can we talk evidence.

How do you explain the power that Benny Hinn has? Even if you say it is not God, even if you say no one is healed. You still can not deny the power that knocks down large number of people.

Benny Hinn - Incredible Demonstrations of God's Power - YouTube

 

[Guy1]

How do you explain the power that Benny Hinn has? Even if you say it is not God, even if you say no one is healed. You still can not deny the power that knocks down large number of people.

Actors, drama, and the power of suggestion.

 

[Doveaman]

Isn't it obvious that memories are stored in neurons, which are physical?

Is an electric signal stored in a wire?

Can you extract a memory from a neuron?

 

[Guy1]

Is an electric signal stored in a wire?

No. It's stored in batteries.

Can you extract a memory from a neuron?

First of all, not from a single neuron (memories are stored in clusters of neurons); and second, we lack the necessary tech.

 

[Doveaman]

So, does praying have any measurable effect on the "will of God"? If so, how would you know?

If the measure He gives you in response is consistent with the measure you prayed for.

 

[Doveaman]

No. It's stored in batteries.

By the same token, memories are stored in the soul and transmitted through neurons.

First of all, not from a single neuron (memories are stored in clusters of neurons); and second, we lack the necessary tech.

You seem to know a lot for someone who lacks the necessary technology.

 

[Guy1]

By the same token, memories are stored in the soul and transmitted through neurons.

And yet the first sign of Alzheimer's is memory loss due to neuron death. Why might this be?

You seem to know a lot for someone who lacks the necessary technology.

I don't know what you're saying here. I just scanned through a single page on a science book, detailing how memories are stored. This is not exactly classified information.

 

[Doveaman]

And yet the first sign of Alzheimer's is memory loss due to neuron death. Why might this be?

If memory neurons die the memory cannot be transmitted from the soul to our awareness.

If the wire is severed the electrical signal cannot be transmitted from the battery to the bulb.

I don't know what you're saying here. I just scanned through a single page on a science book, detailing how memories are stored. This is not exactly classified information.

You didn't exactly share that information.

If a memory is physically stored in neurons, how is a memory stored?

Can a memory be seen or detected?

What does a memory look like?

Can a memory be extracted from neurons?

 

[Guy1]

If memory neurons die the memory cannot be transmitted from the soul to our awareness.

This actually hits right at the heart on my opinion on most (if not all) supernatural entities. You're telling me the functions of this this undetectable, unfalsifiable, unpredictable thing are absolutely indistinguishable from those of the force or entity they're otherwise attributed to? If so then why should anyone care? Such an unnecessary assumption could never survive Occam's Razor.

If the soul is indistinguishable from a cluster of neurons, then why should I, or anyone for that matter, care?

If the wire is severed the electrical signal cannot be transmitted from the battery to the bulb.

It's about time you stop with the analogy. It's flawed in that we both accept the existence of the objects within it, yet we disagree on the existence of one of the elements you're attempting to liken them to.

You didn't exactly share that information.

It wasn't exactly relevant.

If a memory is physically stored in neurons, how is a memory stored?

Google is your friend: How are memories stored in the human brain? - Quora

Can a memory be seen or detected

It can be seen by you and detected by us with a vast array of simple tests.

What does a memory look like?

Depends what exactly you're asking. If you mean literally, then it's an interesting mix of neuron networks and chemicals working together all to retain an experience.

Can a memory be extracted from neurons?

Anything's possible I suppose.

 

[Doveaman]

I don't know what you're saying here. I just scanned through a single page on a science book, detailing how memories are stored. This is not exactly classified information.

That's interesting, because I got my information from a book too, detailing how memories are stored. It's not classified information either.

This actually hits right at the heart on my opinion on most (if not all) supernatural entities. You're telling me the functions of this this undetectable, unfalsifiable, unpredictable thing are absolutely indistinguishable from those of the force or entity they're otherwise attributed to? If so then why should anyone care? Such an unnecessary assumption could never survive Occam's Razor.

Occam’s Razor can take a hike.

You restrict yourself to science books written by those who study the brain.

I rely on books written by those who studied the creator of the brain.

“It is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding…For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him?” (Job 32:8, 1 Cor 2:11).

Human thoughts and understanding is generated and retained by the human spirit and transmitted to our human awareness through the human brain.

The human brain is just an information pathway used by the human spirit to transmit information to our human awareness.

This is how human thoughts and memories are retained after we die and restored after we are resurrected.

If the soul is indistinguishable from a cluster of neurons, then why should I, or anyone for that matter, care?

Because it explains why you guys are incapable of explaining how human thoughts and memories are generated and retained, despite your many years of studying neurons.

It helps us to see why you guys are in such a conundrum.

Google is your friend: How are memories stored in the human brain? - Quora

That’s a question that even your Google friend cannot answer:

“The precise way that long-term memories are structured and represented across billions of synapses is the subject of intense ongoing research and remains one of the great mysteries of neuroscience…The most popular view on short-term memory is that it results from signaling patterns circulating in "recurrent feedback loops" within neural circuits on the scale of a 1 millimeter or so of brain tissue, but this too is the subject of ongoing research.” - Quora.

Keep searching.

It can be seen by you and detected by us with a vast array of simple tests.

Can you see or detect what a person is remembering or thinking? I didn’t think so.

Depends what exactly you're asking. If you mean literally, then it's an interesting mix of neuron networks and chemicals working together all to retain an experience.

Except that you don’t know how the experience is retained. Your Google friend is still trying to figure that out.

Good luck with that.

Anything's possible I suppose.

Only if you are God.

"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matt 19:26).

 

[Theofane]

The laws of physics have no bearing on the soul because the soul transcends the physical.