Physics and our place in the Universe

dad · Apr 7, 2014

DogmaHunter said:
No. Says history and every single culture on the planet.
Poseidon, Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Thor, and thousands of others prove my point. None supports yours.

Bad spirits prove nothing actually. They do go toward evidence that spirits exist though.

All these gods are associated with stars, tides, climate, the sun, thunder, lightning,... and a who myriad of other natural phenomena that once were attributed to gods because the underlying nature of these phenomena was unknown. Such arguments of ignorance are as old as human kind itself.

Baloney! Says who?? Prove that the reason spirits were associated was because of the reason you claim, rather than a knowledge said spirits existed, and for all we know, maybe married their sister!?

Utter speculation.

"So?" ?
I don't know how this would need further clarification. If the solar system itself is in an orbit in the galaxy, it kind of speaks for itself that the stars we see in the sky would change position overtime.

Naturally. So? In what way does that mean stars do or do not have influences on time and the way it is merged in our laws and spacetime???

Well, from our perspective - off course, since it's the solar system itself that is changing it's view angle.

Naturally the baby in a womb may change angles. So may our solar system, but it is still that bubble Nasa spoke about ins the womb of the universe!

1 year = the time it takes for earth to complete an orbit around the sun.
We can debate about what time is till the cows come home, but this is what we mean when we talk about a "year". It's the convention we base ourselves on every time we speak about time.

So? The bible year is months of 360 days. So a year is not just what the sun does in this present state bubble! Motion is not time. Motion is a way of marking or telling time! Now if time was set from the stars for our bubble or solar system, that would mean time as we experience it here was determined before it became a part of our spacetime fabric!

Obviously if special things would happen that makes earth tilt or the orbit to slow down or speed up, whatever it may be, the outcome would be different. However, given that everything stays as it is, the starmap would change purely by the solar system orbitting the galaxy.

If this only went on for thousands of years actual time, it is almost irrelevant in any true definition or comprehension of time itself!

Your strawmen are not an argument.

It seems to me that you have it backwards.

Space, time, gravity etc are in a complex dance with eachother. The laws of nature describe that dance and how they interact.[/quote]

lesliedellow · Apr 8, 2014

dad said:
You missing the point on purpose? Is a metric in spacetime or not?

Is spacetime a metric space? Yes it is. It is also a vector space, and those two things together make it a Banach space.

DogmaHunter · Apr 8, 2014

dad said:
Bad spirits prove nothing actually. They do go toward evidence that spirits exist though.

I didn't claim they exist. Learn to read.

Baloney! Says who??

Says written and recorded history. Poseidon ruled the seas. Zeus and Jupiter controlled lightning. Ra was the god of the sun. Thor was the god of thunder. Etc.

You didn't know this? Really?

Prove that the reason spirits were associated was because of the reason you claim, rather than a knowledge said spirits existed, and for all we know, maybe married their sister!?

I don't see a reason to respond to such intellectually dishonest obfuscating gibberish.

Naturally. So? In what way does that mean stars do or do not have influences on time and the way it is merged in our laws and spacetime???

I have no clue why you ask this question. My only point was that the star map looks different through the years as the solar system orbits the galaxy and thus changes its view angle on said galaxy. Derp.

So?

"So"???

The bible year is months of 360 days.

Which makes no sense.

So a year is not just what the sun does in this present state bubble!

Yes, it is. The bible being wrong about how long a year lasts is not my concern.

Motion is not time. Motion is a way of marking or telling time! Now if time was set from the stars for our bubble or solar system, that would mean time as we experience it here was determined before it became a part of our spacetime fabric!

This makes no sense at all. More gibberish.

If this only went on for thousands of years actual time, it is almost irrelevant in any true definition or comprehension of time itself!

More gibberish.

Your strawmen are not an argument.

I can't strawman your position, because I have no clue what your position is. All I see is a bunch of gibberish that you are seemingly making up on the spot.

TLK Valentine · Apr 8, 2014

DogmaHunter said:
I can't strawman your position, because I have no clue what your position is. All I see is a bunch of gibberish that you are seemingly making up on the spot.

It's gibberish because you've discovered the "secret" to defeating dad -- let him blather himself into a corner until he defeats himself with incoherence.

dad · Apr 8, 2014

lesliedellow said:
Is spacetime a metric space? Yes it is. It is also a vector space, and those two things together make it a Banach space.

Great. So? The issue here is how time gets into and affects that space, whatever you might like to call it!

Since forces and laws depend on how time is woven in and work, including of course radioactive decay!

Inside the bubble where time exists as it does, is where man has viewed the stars, and assumed time was the same. Hence the sizes and distances to the stars were determined. You fellows are now called onto the carpet. We are having a looksee.

dad · Apr 8, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
It's gibberish because you've discovered the "secret" to defeating dad -- let him blather himself into a corner until he defeats himself with incoherence.

Don't you wish. Yours, respectfully, the undefeated one

dad · Apr 8, 2014

DogmaHunter said:
I didn't claim they exist. Learn to read.

You don't need to, it is known that spirits exist good and bad, and always has been in history. They do not depend on you giving them the OK.

Says written and recorded history. Poseidon ruled the seas. Zeus and Jupiter controlled lightning. Ra was the god of the sun. Thor was the god of thunder. Etc.

Working up to a point? "

Ra /rɑː/[1] or Re /reɪ/ (Egyptian: [FONT=sans-serif,'Aegyptus_R','Aegyptus_B','Gardiner','NewGardiner']��ꜥ[/font], r&#740 is the ancient Egyptian solar deity. By the Fifth Dynasty (2494 to 2345 BC) he had become a major god in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the midday sun. The meaning of the name is uncertain, but it is thought that if not a word for 'sun' it may be a variant of or linked to words meaning 'creative power' and 'creator'."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

Ancient people seemed to know the world and heavens were created.

Spirits also played a key role in history, such as the forerunner to the AntiChrist setting up a statue of Zeus in the holy temple in Jerusalem. Even today Zeus has been prominently woven into modern world leaders such as Hitler.

In this day also we see some leaders invoking the same spirits.

I don't see a reason to respond to such intellectually dishonest obfuscating gibberish.

As a matter of fact spirits were recorded to have married women in the past. What you call it is of little consequence.

I have no clue why you ask this question. My only point was that the star map looks different through the years as the solar system orbits the galaxy and thus changes its view angle on said galaxy. Derp.

Great. The heavens are not static. This is news?

Which makes no sense.

It does when we realize that a change likely occurred to the way earth moves in space. Since it is the current posiiton of sun and earth that determines the 365 day year, it makes a whole lotta sense. In the future the bible speaks of another change, so just forget the 365 day year, it is a passing fad.

Yes, it is. The bible being wrong about how long a year lasts is not my concern.

False. God is right, a year was and will be something other than what we now view it as.

This makes no sense at all. More gibberish.

Oh? You think it makes no sense to envision time itself as greater than merely the way a clock ticks???

I can't strawman your position, because I have no clue what your position is.

Who asked you to strawman anything? I think we can see that you have no clue on what time is, and many things dealt with in the thread though.

dad · Apr 10, 2014

DogmaHunter said:
1 year = the time it takes for earth to complete an orbit around the sun..

How long something takes does not define time, it marks time.

lesliedellow · Apr 10, 2014

dad said:
How long something takes does not define time, it marks time.

Okay, genius, let's see you define time, without using words like "moment," which just beg the question.

dad · Apr 10, 2014

lesliedellow said:
Okay, genius, let's see you define time, without using words like "moment," which just beg the question.

Why would I need to do what science can't? Who says a man made definition of something higher than what is in our present world has any real value? Time for who, where and when? Time for a man in this state? Time for an angel, or God? Time far away in the universe? We might need more than a one size fits all approach.

TLK Valentine · Apr 10, 2014

dad said:
Why would I need to do what science can't? Who says a man made definition of something higher than what is in our present world has any real value? Time for who, where and when? Time for a man in this state? Time for an angel, or God? Time far away in the universe? We might need more than a one size fits all approach.

Once again, boys and girls -- the secret to defeating dad is to let him blather himself into a corner until he defeats himself.

lesliedellow · Apr 10, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
Once again, boys and girls -- the secret to defeating dad is to let him blather himself into a corner until he defeats himself.

Yep.

dad · Apr 10, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
Once again, boys and girls -- the secret to defeating dad is to let him blather himself into a corner until he defeats himself.

In other words, don't enter the ring, and pretend you are real tough?

lesliedellow · Apr 10, 2014

dad said:
In other words, don't enter the ring, and pretend you are real tough?

Your idea of science is to make stuff up as you go along. Nobody can really take that seriously.

davidbilby · Apr 10, 2014

dad said:
Why would I need to do what science can't? Who says a man made definition of something higher than what is in our present world has any real value? Time for who, where and when? Time for a man in this state? Time for an angel, or God? Time far away in the universe? We might need more than a one size fits all approach.

"Goddidit" is the very definition of a "one size fits all approach". Most religions, in fact, are entirely characterized by being "one size fits all". Did you ever read the first of the ten commandments?

lesliedellow · Apr 10, 2014

davidbilby said:
Most religions, in fact, are entirely characterized by being "one size fits all". Did you ever read the first of the ten commandments?

Religion isn't meant to be a fashion accessory, where you pick the god most to your liking. It makes truth claims, and if Christianity is true, then there is only one God; just as there is only one universe, and one physics to describe it.

Strathos · Apr 10, 2014

It's possible there could be multiple universes and Christianity could still be true. I don't see an inherent contradiction.

dad · Apr 10, 2014

lesliedellow said:
Your idea of science is to make stuff up as you go along. Nobody can really take that seriously.

I didn't make the bible or history up, or the fact that our laws are involve time actually. Your spam posts are without excuse.

dad · Apr 10, 2014

davidbilby said:
"Goddidit" is the very definition of a "one size fits all approach". Most religions, in fact, are entirely characterized by being "one size fits all". Did you ever read the first of the ten commandments?

God did it, that is not an issue. Why science was wrong in their grandiose claims, and petulant production of flatulent fables is the issue.

dad · Apr 11, 2014

lesliedellow said:
Religion isn't meant to be a fashion accessory, where you pick the god most to your liking. It makes truth claims, and if Christianity is true, then there is only one God; just as there is only one universe, and one physics to describe it.

Who made that rule? Angels must obey our rules? Heaven must obey present state earth laws? Absurd and false. That is a lame excuse to try to impose the rules of earth in this state on the universe and eternity.

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