Peter Jensen - is he the way forward for Australian Christianity?

[tgg]

What do you think? This guy has been widely criticised for trying to put the church back by 40 years for his disdain about allowing women and gay/lesbian people in the Anglican church ministry.

I only found out about this guy over the weekend, and frankly I don't have much respect for him or his opinions.


tgg

 

[grays]

I think that Peter Jensen is on the money about almost everything he talks about because it's right from the bible. I don't necessarily agree about women to the same extent, but I think that he's a good archdeacon for the Anglican church. I don't think that he's turned back the clock 40 years, more like 2000, which is what needs to happen.

 

[Willo]

From what I have heard about Jensen, he sounds like a good bloke. Maybe the Anglican church needs someone like him to stand up.

 

[tgg]

Anyone who denies a person equality based on their gender and/or sexual orientation deserves every bit of scorn and contempt heaped upon them. He ought to be given the boot.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Anyone who denies a person equality based on their gender and/or sexual orientation deserves every bit of scorn and contempt heaped upon them. He ought to be given the boot.

While I don’t necessarily agree with his stance on women in ministry, on the subject of practising homosexuals in ministry he is 100% correct. The Bible is quite clear – it’s a sin. And it’s not like he’s persecuting gays, only denying practising gays from serving as ministers. And only because of the Bibles teaching.

IMO Peter Jensen is a breath of fresh air, someone who is prepared to stand up for the Word of God despite the scorn and contempt of the world.

 

[StAnselm]

I only found out about this guy over the weekend, and frankly I don't have much respect for him or his opinions.

Do you see something wrong about this statement? Don't you think you ought to find out more about what he believes, and (more importantly) why he believes it?

I don't agree with everything he says and does either, but I think he's a good man who's doing a great job, all things considered...

 

[KristianJ]

Anyone who denies a person equality based on their gender and/or sexual orientation deserves every bit of scorn and contempt heaped upon them. He ought to be given the boot.

If it's an unbiblical stance, then I might see a reason to agree. But there is no doubting that Jensen's stance is for the most part entirely Biblical. I think that in standing up for the truth of the Gospel, he's seeking to guide the Anglican church for God's glory, and considering the crisis regarding this issue, what he is doing is a step in the right direction. It's a shame when things like Jensen's push for evangelism and God-glorifying things are forgotten about...

 

[Willo]

Anyone who denies a person equality based on their gender and/or sexual orientation deserves every bit of scorn and contempt heaped upon them. He ought to be given the boot.

Then God should be given a boot, as he denies homosexuals etc.

I looked at your profile, and now I understand why you hate Jensen, because Jensen is anti liberal, and you a lib.

 

[TheListener]

Jensen is the reason Anglicans in Australia are so strong. I would hate to think how many people would leave the Anglican Church if they did follow suit as some other Anglican Churches around the world. I know of many people who share my opinion and I am one of them. Jensen has been a strong influence in keeping the Church true to the Bible.

The Anglican Church is not a liberal Church, neither are they looking to veer away from Biblical teachings. There is a detailed discussion on this very topic at the forums at http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/community/ and many Anglicans have great respect for this man. As someone above said, if anything the Church needs to be set back 2000 years.

 

[MOTH]

I've never heard of him, but if he is making a stand against practicing homosexuals being given a place of leadership in the church, then good on him. The bible is Very specific in this area. This is not a personal discrimination, it's simply what God, through HIS word, commands. No argument should be necessary! That's what the Bible says!

 

[thejesusfish90]

I have to echo the sentiments of many posters in regards to Peter Jensen, I certainly dont agree with everything he says, but I believe that he has performed in his role as archbishop very well... I especially think it is important to have such a solid man of conviction in this troubled time for the anglican church, and I am certainly glad that he is committed to opposing certain movements in the anglican church (some of the above mentioned topics (not women) are actually prohibited from discussion outside of the philosophy and morality forum) I also greatly admire his evangelistic bent and his vision for seeing people come to christ... I've read a book written by him (or perhaps his brother) and someone else discussing christian doctrine... It was an interesting read, although I certainly didn't agree with alot of what he said....

In Christ

Chris

 

[MOTH]

Perhaps it is time we all read the seven letters to the seven churches (in Revelations) again. I think it's time I did!

 

[inquisitor_11]

But there is no doubting that Jensen's stance is for the most part entirely Biblical

The only problem is just what people consider to be a "biblical" stance. Racism was once biblical, as was supporting the Third Reich and converting heathens by the sword.

Im not saying that we should not take the bible seriously, as this is in fact the thing I most admire Sydney Anglicanism for, however they certainly dont hold a monopoly on taking "biblical" stances.

Then God should be given a boot, as he denies homosexuals etc.

Really? Maybe you should check out the CF rules on discussing homosexuality before making unbacked statments on the issue.

Jensen is the reason Anglicans in Australia are so strong. I would hate to think how many people would leave the Anglican Church if they did follow suit as some other Anglican Churches around the world. I know of many people who share my opinion and I am one of them. Jensen has been a strong influence in keeping the Church true to the Bible.

The Anglican Church is not a liberal Church, neither are they looking to veer away from Biblical teachings. There is a detailed discussion on this very topic at the forums at http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/community/ and many Anglicans have great respect for this man. As someone above said, if anything the Church needs to be set back 2000 years.

Really? Thats funny because Sydney Anglicans don't hold a monopoly on the practice of Anglicanism in Australia. Do the more liberal (in a relative sense) dioceses and theological colleges not count?

 

[TheListener]

Really? Thats funny because Sydney Anglicans don't hold a monopoly on the practice of Anglicanism in Australia. Do the more liberal (in a relative sense) dioceses and theological colleges not count?

I didn't say that now did I?

I'm not stating that "only Anglicans are saved, all other denominations are hellbound". If I said that I should be sitting down to have a good think of myself and my life.

What I said was that Jensen was keeping the Church strong & I totally agree with his Evangelistic approaches & goals. IMHO If it is a problem to anyone that we don't practise extravagent worship or preach the prosperity Gospel or allow homosexuals to take on a congregation then those who don't agree can find a place who does do such things and there are many out there. And if the Anglican Church were to start doing those things, then I'd go & join the Catholic Church.

 

[TasWoManOfGod]

Anybody who upholds the Word of God on any issue should be congratulated by his peers rather than be condemned.

 

[inquisitor_11]

I didn't say that now did I?

sorry... too much hotheadness on my part.

What I said was that Jensen was keeping the Church strong & I totally agree with his Evangelistic approaches & goals. IMHO If it is a problem to anyone that we don't practise extravagent worship or preach the prosperity Gospel or allow homosexuals to take on a congregation then those who don't agree can find a place who does do such things and there are many out there. And if the Anglican Church were to start doing those things, then I'd go & join the Catholic Church.

I also have a problem with many of those issues. I guess the point I wa trying to make was that the Jensen Brothers, and the way that Anglicanism has been articulated in Sydney isn't representive of a large group of Anglicans in Australia (or worldwide).

On the flip side though, the Catholic church also has factions that have quasi-prosperity theology, extravagent worship and homosexual laity (and even 'illegal' ordained women ministers).

My apologies if it sounds like im trying to get up you on this issue, as that isnt my intention

 

[TheListener]

At the end of the day I guess we make our own choices as to what to believe and which Church to attend and what is motivating us to do so.

I'm happy where I am for the time being and I hope you are too.