Peter Is Not The Rock!

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Paul did not receive a new name. He had a name with the Jews and another with Rome. This was common place in those times. Jesus never gave Paul a name.

Certainly could have transpired after the laying on of hands in Acts 13 cause that's when it changed. Significance? Didn't Jesus grab hold of Peter with a NEW NAME?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Shameful plugging of other threads.

Eh? What, does the Truth hurt?

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting in the judging with the generation, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , "Be thou going!, that a vessel of-choice/ekloghV <1589> is to Me this-one, of the to bear the Name of Me in before nations and kings--sons besides of Israel".

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Certainly could have transpired after the laying on of hands in Acts 13 cause that's when it changed. Significance? Didn't Jesus grab hold of Peter with a NEW NAME?

Simon was the only Apostle to be given a name from Jesus.

As I said, it was common practice for people to go by two different names. Saul was best known for his name Saul. But to go by his other name Paul would provide him with some shelter from those seeking to capture him.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Eh? What, does the Truth hurt?

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting in the judging with the generation, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , "Be thou going!, that a vessel of-choice/ekloghV <1589> is to Me this-one, of the to bear the Name of Me in before nations and kings--sons besides of Israel".

You are the one plugging another thread. That question is best answered by you.

But if you need an answer, I feel no pain or shame. Just the Holy Spirit inside of me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are the one plugging another thread. That question is best answered by you.

But if you need an answer, I feel no pain or shame. Just the Holy Spirit inside of me.

That is good to hear.

 

[squint]

Simon was the only Apostle to be given a name from Jesus.

Certainly not to pre-emminance. All members are their part of His Body. Jesus Head. Other disciples also received name change from Jesus. Why stick Peter's head on top?

Is Peter THE WORD of God?

As I said, it was common practice for people to go by two different names. Saul was best known for his name Saul. But to go by his other name Paul would provide him with some shelter from those seeking to capture him.

Could have been for several reasons.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Besides Peter who received a name from Jesus and what are these names?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Besides Peter who received a name from Jesus and what are these names?

Greetings. I am more interested that New Name in Reve 3

Isaiah 62:2 And Nations see the righteousness of Thee, And all of kings glory of Thee. And a Name, New is called to thee which mouth of YHWH shall specify.

Reve 3:12 The one conquering I will be making him a pillar in the sanctuary of the God of Me. And out-side not no he may be coming out further. And I shall be writing on him the name of the God of Me, and the name of the city of the God of Me, of the New Jerusalem, the one descending out of the heaven from the God of Me, and the Name of Me, the New.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Besides Peter who received a name from Jesus and what are these names?

I am still waiting to hear of any other Apostles given a name...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am still waiting to hear of any other Apostles given a name...

Me too.

 

[Anglian]

Dear archierieus,

Thank you for your engagement here, and for your interesting comments.

As you know, Revelation was one of the books whose Apostolicity was long doubted, and in the Est it was not accepted even after the fourth century in some quarters. My earlier point was that because it was a free-standing text, the comments at the end can, logically, only refer to itself and not the rest of a book of which it was not then part. Indeed, if one takes the Codex Sinaiticus or Alexandrinus, which contain books the Church decided to exclude, and one takes your reading of Revelation, it would follow that the excluded books should not have been excluded.

This is why it is difficult to read the text the way you do. You may, of course, be correct in your statement about God's purpose, but this is a reading which no one in the Church had until recent times; it seems unlikely God would leave His people in the dark for so long.

One of the fascinating things about the Bible is the common Authorship of all its books. While God had a number of penmen, He is the true Author. That truth reveals itself as one studies the Word.

An interesting and apposite comment, which expresses a profound truth. We don't, I think, agree on God wishing Revelation to be placed last, or on the reading the quoted verses; but we agree on this wider, and I think more important, point.

If the work product is valid, then any student, anywhere in the world, should be able to reach a similar result--or discover errors in the procedure and/or the result. Bible study of this type is 'doing science,' and a high degree of accuracy is both desired and may be achieved. This approach tends to minimize both subjectivity and human error! And it is a 'meritocracy.'

It would be nice to think this would be so. But evidence that it is creating a common understanding and more unity seems, alas, a trifle scarce. It would be good if this were to happen.

But, for those Churches which have been there from the beginning, there is also the developed understanding of the ages; we are not necessarily wiser than our ancestors; so we give them a say too - after all, they are part of that communion of saints too.

peace be with you,

Anglian

 

[squint]

I am still waiting to hear of any other Apostles given a name...

"And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: And Simon he surnamed Peter; And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite, And Judas Iscariot"


"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

 

[JacktheCatholic]

"And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: And Simon he surnamed Peter; And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite, And Judas Iscariot"


"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

OK... Simon was named Peter.

Please tell me the two names for the other Apostles. I do not see it.

Here, I think it safe to assume you are quyoting Matthew 10.

QUOTE
1 And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. 2 And the names of the twelve Apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, 3 James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, 4 Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

And in Latin:
Et convocatis duodecim discipulis suis, dedit illis potestatem spirituum immundorum, ut ejicerent eos, et curarent omnem languorem, et omnem infirmitatem. 2 Duodecim autem Apostolorum nomina sunt hæc. Primus, Simon, qui dicitur Petrus: et Andreas frater ejus, 3 Jacobus Zebedæi, et Joannes frater ejus, Philippus, et Bartholomæus, Thomas, et Matthæus publicanus, Jacobus Alphæi, et Thaddæus, 4 Simon Chananæus, et Judas Iscariotes, qui et tradidit eum.


I hope that helps.

 

[squint]

OK... Simon was named Peter.

Please tell me the two names for the other Apostles. I do not see it.

If you want to make a dissection of the other 3 surnamed Apostles besides Simon, please feel free to cut to the chase.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: And Simon he surnamed Peter; And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite, And Judas Iscariot"


"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

I was hoping someone would bring that up.
Did anyone notice the word for "judas" comes from the word used for "judah"

Matt 10:4 Simon/simwn <4613> the Canaanite/kananithV <2581>, and Judas/ioudaV <2455> Iscariot/iskariwthV <2469> the-one also giving-up/paradouV <3860> (5631) Him.

John 19:11 Answered Jesus "not thou are having authority against Me not-any except it was given to thee from above. Because of this, the one giving-up/paradidouV <3860> (5723) Me up to thee greater Sin is having."

 

[JacktheCatholic]

If you want to make a dissection of the other 3 surnamed Apostles besides Simon, please feel free to cut to the chase.

I do not see it. I am not baiting or any other silly thing. I am simply asking for a straight forward answer.

Such as:

Simon to Peter
Abrahm to Abraham
and so on...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I was hoping someone would bring that up.
Did anyone notice the word for "judas" comes from the word used for "judah"

Matt 10:4 Simon/simwn <4613> the Canaanite/kananithV <2581>, and Judas/ioudaV <2455> Iscariot/iskariwthV <2469> the-one also giving-up/paradouV <3860> (5631) Him.

John 19:11 Answered Jesus not thou are having authority against Me not-any except it was given to thee from above. Because of this, the one giving-up/paradidouV <3860> (5723) Me up to thee greater Sin is having.

Yep and he was part of a group of Jews that were kind of militaristic if I am not mistaken. I could be wrong and this may be more tale than fact.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yep and he was part of a group of Jews that were kind of militaristic if I am not mistaken. I could be wrong and this may be more tale than fact.

I would recommend a very deep study on that parable in Luke 16 as I view that man as a type of "Judah/Judas"

Matthew 22:11 And entering yet the King, to gaze of the ones the reclining at table, he saw there a Man not in-clothed/endedu-menon <1746> cothing/enduma <1742> of wedding-feast:

Luke 16:19 A certain Man was rich and in-clothed/enedidu-sketo <1737> (5710) purple and fine-linen/busson <1040> making-merry down to a-day, shiningly

 

[squint]

I do not see it. I am not baiting or any other silly thing. I am simply asking for a straight forward answer.

Such as:

Simon to Peter
Abrahm to Abraham
and so on...

or Levi to Matthew?

If you want to school me you won't find me offended if there is a worthy point. I'll presume that you can read bold print and that you may even like setups in that stead.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

or Levi to Matthew?

If you want to school me you won't find me offended if there is a worthy point. I'll presume that you can read bold print and that you may even like setups in that stead.

OK "teacher" where is it written that Levi is now Matthew?

And why haven't you clarified your post from Matthew 10?