Peter Is Not The Rock!

[JacktheCatholic]

Besides Peter who received a name from Jesus and what are these names?

Well I have to head to my son's boyscout meeting but I am looking forward to the answer here.

 

[squint]

OK "teacher" where is it written that Levi is now Matthew?

And why haven't you clarified your post from Matthew 10?

Clarified what? The segments stated who was 'surnamed.'

And we also have Levi to Matthew. Up to 5 total.

Mark 2:14
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

Matthew 9:9
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

OK "teacher" where is it written that Levi is now Matthew?

And why haven't you clarified your post from Matthew 10?

Greetings. Levi is interesting as it is used twice in the geneaology of Jesus in Luke.
AND that tribe is listed "8th" in order in Revelation, 8 being a particularly significant number.

Luke 3:24 Of the Matthat, of the Levi/leui <3017>, of the Melchi, of the Janna, of the Joseph,

Luke 3:29 Of the Jose, of the Eliezer, of the Jorim, of the Matthat, of the Levi/leui <3017>,

Reve 7:7 Out of tribe of Simeon, twleve thousands; out of tribe of Levi/leui <3017>, twelve thousands; out of tribe of Issachar, twelve thousands;

 

[squint]

Greetings. Levi is interesting as it is used twice in the geneaology of Jesus in Luke.
AND that tribe is listed "8th" in order in Revelation, 8 being a particularly significant number.

Luke 3:24 Of the Matthat, of the Levi/leui <3017>, of the Melchi, of the Janna, of the Joseph,

Luke 3:29 Of the Jose, of the Eliezer of the Jorim of the Matthat of the Levi/leui <3017>,

Reve 7:7 Out of tribe of Simeon, twleve thousands; out of tribe of Levi/leui <3017>, twelve thousands; out of tribe of Issachar, twelve thousands;

Ever looked @ LEVI in comparison with LEVIathan?


Isaiah 27:1
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Psalm 104:
24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.


Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head


Psalm 74:14
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.



'Thou shall write AARON (LIGHTBRINGER) on the ROD of LEVI'

enjoy!


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Ever looked @ LEVI in comparison with LEVIathan?

Yepperz.

03882 livyathan {liv-yaw-thawn'} from 03867; TWOT - 1089b; n m

03878 Leviy {lay-vee'}
from 03867; TWOT - 1093; n pr m
AV - Levi 64; 64

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Greetings. Levi is interesting as it is used twice in the geneaology of Jesus in Luke.
AND that tribe is listed "8th" in order in Revelation, 8 being a particularly significant number.

Luke 3:24 Of the Matthat, of the Levi/leui <3017>, of the Melchi, of the Janna, of the Joseph,

Luke 3:29 Of the Jose, of the Eliezer, of the Jorim, of the Matthat, of the Levi/leui <3017>,

Reve 7:7 Out of tribe of Simeon, twleve thousands; out of tribe of Levi/leui <3017>, twelve thousands; out of tribe of Issachar, twelve thousands;

The Levites were pretty cool being so zealous and all. I believe they are the ones that got so upset about that girl being raped.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Clarified what? The segments stated who was 'surnamed.'

And we also have Levi to Matthew. Up to 5 total.

Mark 2:14
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

Matthew 9:9
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom

Levi and Matthew are the same name. And you do not show where Jesus gave anyone else a name.

Your quotes so far have not shown a time that Jesus gave another Apsotle another name. You have strecthed the imagination and still have not shown where Jesus named anyone else a new name.

Yet again we have a person that was known by one name and another as well, much like Paul. Jews commonly had two names, one being Hebrew and the other Greek. So, you have not shown where Jesus gave any one else another name such as Peter.

You should also notice that like Abraham, Simon received a different name that carried with it a very important meaning.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Levites were pretty cool being so zealous and all. I believe they are the ones that got so upset about that girl being raped.

Yeah, but they weren't too compassionate in Luke 10.

Luke 10:30 Taking up yet the Jesus said, "A certain Man descended from Jerusalem unto Jericho, and to robbers falling about who also stripping him and blows/plhgaV <4127> placing upon came away leaving half dead . 31 According to yet a coincidence, a certain Priest descended in the way, that, and seening him, passed by. Likewise also yet a Levite came.....

Reve 15:1 And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous. Messengers, seven, having blows/plhgaV <4127>, seven, the last. That in them is finished the fury of the God.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Yeah, but they weren't too compassionate in Luke 10.

Luke 10:30 Taking up yet the Jesus said, "A certain Man descended from Jerusalem unto Jericho, and to robbers falling about who also stripping him and blows/plhgaV <4127> placing upon came away leaving half dead . 31 According to yet a coincidence, a certain Priest descended in the way, that, and seening him, passed by. Likewise also yet a Levite came.....

Reve 15:1 And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous. Messengers, seven, having blows/plhgaV <4127>, seven, the last. That in them is finished the fury of the God.

I sometimes wonder if I was born a Jew way before Christianity if I would have been a Levite?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I sometimes wonder if I was born a Jew way before Christianity if I would have been a Levite?

I study more on the symbolism of Names in the Bible. Malachi 3 is a good read but I haven't translated it yet:

[NKJV]Malachi 3:5 "My covenant was with him, [one] of life and peace, And I gave them to him [that he might] fear [Me;] So he feared Me And was reverent before My name. 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, And injustice was not found on his lips. He walked with Me in peace and equity, And turned many away from iniquity. 7 "For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And [people] should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But you have departed from the way; You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi," Says the LORD of hosts.

 

[lionroar0]

http://www.behindthename.com/name/simon


SIMON Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, French, Scandinavian, German, Hungarian, Slovene, Biblical
Pronounced: SIE-m&#601;n (English), see-MAWN (French), ZEE-mawn (German) [key]
From the Greek form of the Hebrew name &#1513;&#1473;&#1460;&#1502;&#1456;&#1506;&#1493;&#1465;&#1503; (Shim'on) which meant "he has heard". This was the name of several biblical characters, including the man who carried the cross for Jesus. However, the most important person of this name in the New Testament was the apostle Simon, also known as Peter (a name given to him by Jesus). Because of him, this name has been common in the Christian world. In England it was popular during the Middle Ages, though it became rarer after the Protestant Reformation.

 

[lionroar0]

http://www.behindthename.com/name/matthew



MATTHEW Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, Biblical
Pronounced: MATH-yoo (English) [key]
English form of &#924;&#945;&#964;&#952;&#945;&#953;&#959;&#962; (Matthaios), which was a Greek form of the Hebrew name &#1502;&#1463;&#1514;&#1468;&#1460;&#1514;&#1456;&#1497;&#1464;&#1492;&#1493;&#1468; (Mattityahu) meaning "gift of YAHWEH". Saint Matthew, also called Levi, was one of the twelve apostles. He was a tax collector, and supposedly the author of the first Gospel in the New Testament. As an English name, Matthew has been in use since the Middle Ages.

 

[beamishboy]

BEAMISHBOY Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, Lewis Caroll's poem
Pronounced: BEE-mish-boi (English) [key]
Entirely an English name with an English origin.
Saint Beamishboy, also called the Knight of Truth, renowned for his valour in slaying the fearsome Jabberwock. The only knight who found the Holy Grail As an English name, Beamishboy has been in use since the time of Beowulf.

 

[lionroar0]

The Bible is the supreme test of doctrine, faith and practice. One good key text is Isa. 8:20: "To the law and the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, there is no light in them." There are numerous others, but I would suggest that familiarity with the Bible should provide that info.

Where does it say so? I'm looking for evidence. I'm asking for documentation.

Because the Bible is the inspired Word of God. It is also a complete Book. Rev. 22 warns against anyone who adds to the words of 'this book.' It consists of eyewitness testimony of those who knew Jesus personally. John was the last of them.

All of this is just evidence of Tradition. As it as the Church that said it was the Wor

d of God. It's also Tradition that the Gospel of St. John is written by St. John. Tradition also brings us the the definition of the Trinity. It brings us the definition of the person of Jesus.

What was written in the Bible is all that is necessary for our salvation. It is complete. No subsequent spiritual manifestation is on the same level as the Bible.

Where is the evidence for this? Where is the documentation?

Oral tradition also at times contains elements of error. Paul and Peter both warned that this would happen. The objective test of any such tradition is the Bible. Paul warned that even if 'an angel from heaven' should teach a different gospel, it was not from God. This points to things that would happen after Paul wrote.

That's not what the Scriptures say


15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Once again, the Bible itself, Bible writers in both the Old and New Testaments refer to this. It is a bit late, this is typically pretty common knowledge within Protestant circles. It might be good to start a thread addressing this issue, and get others involved.

I realize that this maybe your opinion but I'm not asking for common knowledge. I'm asking for basis and documentation.

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

BEAMISHBOY Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, Lewis Caroll's poem
Pronounced: BEE-mish-boi (English) [key]
Entirely an English name with an English origin.
Saint Beamishboy, also called the Knight of Truth, renowned for his valour in slaying the fearsome Jabberwock. The only knight who found the Holy Grail As an English name, Beamishboy has been in use since the time of Beowulf.

Cool site isn't it??

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Bible is the supreme test of doctrine, faith and practice. One good key text is Isa. 8:20: "To the law and the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, there is no light in them." There are numerous others, but I would suggest that familiarity with the Bible should provide that info.

Where does it say so? I'm looking for evidence. I'm asking for documentation.

Does the book of Revelation count?

Luke 13:28 There shall be the lamentation and the gnashing of the teeth whenever ye should be seeing Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob and all the Prophets in the Kingdom of the God, ye yet being Cast-Out/ek-ballomenouV <1544> (5746) out-side/exw <1854> .

Revelation 11:2 and the Court, the without of the sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side/exw <1854>, and no her thou should be measuring,

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[lionroar0]

Does the book of Revelation count?

Luke 13:28 There shall be the lamentation and the gnashing of the teeth whenever ye should be seeing Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob and all the Prophets in the Kingdom of the God, ye yet being Cast-Out/ek-ballomenouV <1544> (5746) out-side/exw <1854> .

Revelation 11:2 and the Court, the without of the sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side/exw <1854>, and no her thou should be measuring,

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Don't know about that being the supreme doctrine of faith but it's sure cool to read.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Don't know about that being the supreme doctrine of faith but it's sure cool to read.

Peace

Yeah, the Greek is Neet.

Gala 4:30 but what saith the Writing? `Be thou Casting Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-one;'

Reve 11:2 and the Court, the-one with-out of-the Sanctuary, be thou Casting Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628) out-side/exw <1854> and not her thou should be measuring, that she was given to the nations.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Neet-o

 

[archierieus]

Where does it say so? I'm looking for evidence. I'm asking for documentation.

Hmmmmm. Interesting. Before going any farther, let's start with the verse I quoted, Isa. 8:20. What does that say to you? What does it mean to you practically?

As it as sic the Church that said it was the Word of God.

If you are referring to Laodicea??? for example, whether the Church at that juncture were to have said it was the Word of God, or not, it would still be the Word of God.

It's also Tradition that the Gospel of St. John is written by St. John.

That information may also be derived from the Bible itself, tradition be what it may or say what it may. Although, the identity of the author is not material to the inspiration of the book.

Tradition also brings us the the definition of the Trinity.

Not the Bible doctrine of the trinity. The Bible very clearly teaches the Trinity. I should point out that the RC doctrine is different in some respects than what the Bible teaches.

It brings us the definition of the person of Jesus.

That is found, and stated, very, very plainly in Scripture, without any reference to any church's tradition.

Where is the evidence for this? Where is the documentation?

Very well. If this is a concept you are not familiar with, then I should be glad to make an effort to assemble relevant Bible passages for your benefit. That will, however, take a bit of time, and it is rather late at the moment.

That's not what the Scriptures say


15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Paul is here referring to his initial teaching, which was by word of mouth, and his subsequent letters. He is admonishing the believers to not stray from those teachings. He also warns that a falling away would come, and urges that the church stay faithful to what they were originally taught.

I'm asking for basis and documentation.

As I understand it, you are asking for Biblical passages that state or support the concept of the all-sufficiency of Scripture for the knowledge essential to salvation. I am assuming here that you are not familiar with those passages, for if you were, then presumably you would not be asking for them. And I have compiled a study on this point. I will have to dig it out and see what I can do to answer your question. May take a bit of time.

Dave