Pete Buttigieg continues to surge in N.H. polling

[Albion]

I was impressed with Yang’s approach not his policies. He was the only one I saw with a vision other than “bad Orange man, bad must go.”

Oh yes. I see it that way, too, but he just hasn't caught on.

 

[redleghunter]

I wonder if the Bernie Sanders supporters are willing to get behind any other candidate? Just browsing through some of the Sanders subreddits, they've already given him the nickname "Mayor Cheat" and many are saying they will vote for Trump in spite of any democrat nominee besides Sanders. Looks like the Democratic Party has shot themselves in the foot no matter who gets the nomination.

I think the “we will vote for Trump” is hype. Not vote at all? Maybe.

One field operator caught on a Veritas video said if Bernie was not the nominee Milwaukee would be in flames.

 

[Quartermaine]

The point followed the sentence you quoted.


But he had a lot of valuable political experience going for him. Not so Former Mayor Pete.

all you presented was a double standard

 

[Copperhead]

For me, the whole thing is rather simple. I will never vote for anyone who hitches their wagon to the Democrat mule, whether it be dog catcher or president.

Not that I have some great love for the Republican party either, as I have voted for candidates in various races that were tied to the Iowa Party, the Alaskan Independence party, the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, and a few Republicans.

The Democrat party sold out 58,209 of my dead brothers and sisters in arms in the Viet Nam escapade, not counting the wounded. They sold out 21 million S. Vietnamese, of which about 800,000 fled by boat and even the UN estimates those that died miserably at sea was in the 200,000 - 400,000 range. Many had what little money they carried taken from them by pirates, many of the women were raped. One S. Vietnamese officer I knew of was forced into one of the Communist "reeducation camps" and forced to live in a bamboo cage in the hole in the ground for 3 years. When he finally got released, he fled via the boats with his wife and daughter. His wife was raped, his daughter was taken by pirates. Eventually he and his wife made it to the U.S. and they have done well. Amazing story.

All because they would not honor the treaty we had with Viet Nam. President Ford begged the Democrat controlled legislature to release the funds and munitions so the Vietnamese could defend themselves. Many Vietnamese artillery units were down to 1 round per gun per day. There was no spare parts, ammo, fuel etc for mechanized and air force equipment. The Democrat controlled congress had cut off all funding and munitions in 1974. Saigon fell in April 1975. I saw it. I lived it.

Even with our troops in Iraq, the usual suspects from the Democrat party condemned the troops involved in the major battles of Mosul, Tekrit, etc and said publicly they would lose. Out and out treason. Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, etc.

The Democrat Party has been the main motivation behind abortion rights. So they are guilty of over 61 million infant deaths since 1973. More than the known children killed by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao combined.

And having given all of the 1970's to protecting this country from Socialism / Communism, it is appalling to the see the Democrat party primarily populated with socialists / communists. And worse, that many in this country actually support such as AOC, Sanders, etc.

And some think that Trump is the worse thing to happen to this country. Such is the historically illiterate.

 

[JohnAshton]

That is you right, Yahweh As Salvation.

Some states are introducing legislation that removes the one-party vote block during elections.

 

[Albion]

all you presented was a double standard

So if two things are unlike each other in critical ways...and you know it...then it's a "double standard??"

Did you look that term up before posting?

 

[GodLovesCats]

If the nomination goes to Mayor Pete it won't be only Sanders people who will not vote for him. How many people in Iowa and NH don't know that he is gay and legally married just like the woman in Iowa who voted for him and wanted to change her vote when she found out?

Gay marriage is part of the Democratic Party platform. It is impossible to be a Democrat and not support homosexual civil unions and/or marriages.

But the Iowa votes for Mayor Pete should tell the Democrats that a whole lot of people want a fiscally moderate president rather than an extreme progressive.

Joe Biden is fiscally moderate if you believe what he said about Social Security and Medicare.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Good grief! Best economy in a long, long, long, long time but you say nothing more important than Trump leaving office.

Did you think only the total number of jobs matters? That is not the definition of a good economy and the goodness of a President is never based on just one issue.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Homosexuality and his recent stance on late term abortion is enough squash Mayor Pete's presidential hopes.

Why does it matter whether a candidate is gay and married or just supports homosexual marriages?

 

[Albion]

Did you think only the total number of jobs matters? That is not the definition of a good economy and the goodness of a President is never based on just one issue.

And, to be sure, the president and his supporters can and have listed a dozen others.

It's just that the best economy in a long, long time in itself should recommend this administration to anyone who cares about such a thing (which is everyone).

 

[GodLovesCats]

Every time people say we have the best economy ever, all they even mention is the unemployment rate - a number that means absolutely nothing to people who cannot earn living wages and/or have two jobs to make ends meet.

 

[Albion]

Every time people say we have the best economy ever, all they even mention is the unemployment rate....

Hmm. That hasn't been what I've noticed. When the broad range of media commentators are agreeing that the economy is "roaring" and refer to a number of different indicators, I think it's real. Even the nay-sayers are reduced to saying that they think a downturn lies ahead even though things are good now.

And the amazing thing is that even the people who are determined to find fault have to talk as though President Trump should have solved every last social and economic problem we've lived with for decades and done it in only three years--or else he's a failure!

 

[GodLovesCats]

I am talking about Trump supporters in general, not talking heads in the media.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Would Pete even be able to gain black democratic support given his homosexuality? I hear that's an essential voting block democrats rely on.

Personally I don't much like Pete but I think he's stronger than Warren, Biden and Bernie combined. He has at least the appearance of decency, even if his ideas are revolting.

 

[grasping the after wind]

...and we have already seen three other contenders rise to the top of the polls only to then sink. I'm reluctant, therefore, to think Mayor Pete's rise is the end of the story. However, there seems to be a desire among Democrats for someone who is not a clear-cut extremist, so that would almost have to point to Pete or Bloomberg. There might be someone else, but I'm thinking of declared candidates who can fit that bill and also be taken seriously as having a chance at the nomination.

I wouldn't call someone that wanted to mandate the size of soft drinks and ban salt shakers from restaurants as anything but a clear cut extremist. I don't think the country is in need of that much micro management of individual choices. Bloomberg seems to be convinced that he knows what is the best way for everyone to live their individual lives and that it is his mission to make sure we all comply by making anything he disapproves of illegal.

 

[Quartermaine]

So if two things are unlike each other in critical ways...and you know it...then it's a "double standard??"

Did you look that term up before posting?

on the one hand it's being said that the lack of holding a significant political office is a detriment....but its not for Trump.

 

[Copperhead]

Every time people say we have the best economy ever, all they even mention is the unemployment rate - a number that means absolutely nothing to people who cannot earn living wages and/or have two jobs to make ends meet.

There has been and always will be some who do not reap the benefits of a good economy. That has been true of all of human history. And Socialism has never been able to do anything about that either.

Much of what happens to folks has to do with the choices they make. For instance, a local Community College north of me has programs in Power Utilities that every one of the students has a job lined up with the various utilities companies before they actually finish the program and the starting salaries are in the $60K - $70K range with some real killer benefits. Out here in the corn patch of Iowa where the average income is $48K annually. The utilities companies many times are picking up the tab for the programs. CNC machinists are in very high demand. Even in the rural corn patch of Iowa that I live, when one takes that program at another Community College near me, they are having tuition assistance provided and starting out in jobs getting $25 - $30 or more per hour as flunky newbies. Which in the very low cost of living area of Iowa that I live, is darn good to start out. Many times similar jobs in other areas of the country are paying much more.

The transportation industry is screaming for bodies. Free training and many times with a year or two of experience making $50K to $70K annually. And that is a nationwide phenomenon. I have been in that arena for the last 38 years. I own my own truck and I have always had a profitable year even during the economic downturn of Bush/Obama including the time when fuel was hitting $5 a gallon. And I use about 21,000 gallons of diesel fuel a year.

There are many opportunities available. One just has to be willing to actually work.

 

[Albion]

on the one hand it's being said that the lack of holding a significant political office is a detriment....but its not for Trump.

But Trump had other leadership positions and relevant experiences to point to. Some other poster made that point earlier.

With Buttigieg, being a former mayor of a failing city of somewhat more than 100,000 residents is just about his only claim to fame.

 

[Copperhead]

But Trump had other leadership positions and relevant experiences to point to. Some other poster made that point earlier.

With Buttigieg, being a former mayor of a failing city of somewhat more than 100,000 residents is just about his only claim to fame.

Yeah, and I believe it was Ross Perot that stated one time that "just because you know how to run the family grocery store does not mean you have a clue how to run a country".

 

[Albion]

Yeah, and I believe it was Ross Perot that stated one time that "just because you know how to run the family grocery store does not mean you have a clue how to run a country".

Is there someone who thinks Trump's business background amounts to running a "family grocery store?" How interesting.