Personality Type

[Risen Tree]

INTJ... apparantly I'm not very socially acceptable.

Being "socially unacceptable" is IMHO the single most ove weakness of NTs. I will be mentioning this topic in a book that I am planning on writing soon. People have no right to judge others based on who they simply are. Besides, why does one need people skills to interact with a machine or a computer?

 

[Risen Tree]

according to that test thingie I am INFJ 33, 11, 11, 11 %'s

I think the test needs to be reworked, some of the answers should have inbetweens.

The discription of what I supposedly am was more wrong than right. I'm not that nice and empathatic -lol and I definetly shouldn't be classified with Gandi and Eleanor Roseveltt. But the second discription was more on target, although if I am those high, eexalted things...ha! cool though.

The test is not a very good one. It confuses the I/E trait with the S/N trait quite frequently. Simply put, it's pretty safe to say that you're an I, but just about everything else is up in the air.

To narrow the search down, go back to the first page of this thread and find out which one of the temperament descriptions (Artisan, Guardian, Rational, Idealist) fits you the best. Then find out what that last letter should be. Voila--your Myers-Briggs type.

 

[fishstix]

Being "socially unacceptable" is IMHO the single most ove weakness of NTs. I will be mentioning this topic in a book that I am planning on writing soon. People have no right to judge others based on who they simply are. Besides, why does one need people skills to interact with a machine or a computer?

Because it gets pretty lonely doing nothing but interacting with machines and computers 24/7.

 

[vibrant]

People have no right to judge others based on who they simply are.

 

[Risen Tree]

Because it gets pretty lonely doing nothing but interacting with machines and computers 24/7.

Well, you gotta understand one of NTs highest values: Autonomy. Having to spend excessive time with friends, family, or both, can strike a blow to Rationals' autonomy. NTs march to their own beat. Far easier it is to get a machine to do what you want than a person; and the efficiency-craving Rationals admit that they would rather spend time on the former than waste effort on the latter.

 

[vibrant]

... they would rather spend time on the former than waste effort on the latter.

latter being people.

when you put it like that...

 

[Risen Tree]

I'm not attempting to be cynical. I'm pretty much quoting a passage right out of Keirsey's book. Rationals, one must understand, base all decisions on reason. Everything. If it is logical, they will do it; if not, they will avoid it. Just imagine this mini-dialogue between the NT and the polar opposite, the SJ:

NT: According to the analysis, we have no choice but to shut down this assembly line.
SJ: What on earth are you talking about? How dare you! That line has been running for more than thirty years around here!
NT: True, but it simply cannot produce enough to justify keeping it running. We are losing money every minute that it runs.
SJ: I don't think you heard me. This line is a bulwark of our company. Thirty-three years, my father poured his life savings into securing the establishment of this production line, and we owe it to him to keep it going.
NT: Yes but that was then and this is now. The line just won't work adequately any more.
SJ: Not possible! It's worked before, so why can't it work now?
[SP enters]
SP: OK people, my boss is on hold and I need a decision on what we should recommend to him.

 

[fishstix]

Well, you gotta understand one of NTs highest values: Autonomy. Having to spend excessive time with friends, family, or both, can strike a blow to Rationals' autonomy. NTs march to their own beat. Far easier it is to get a machine to do what you want than a person; and the efficiency-craving Rationals admit that they would rather spend time on the former than waste effort on the latter.

I am an NT. Sure, we may not be social butterflies. But that doesn't mean I don't want to spend any time around people whatsoever. We can't spend all our time working with just machines and computers (although I'll admit, that is how I spend a lot of time). Even NTs get lonely and need friends. In trying to describe the personality, you seem to have forgotten about the person.

 

[Risen Tree]

I am an NT. But that doesn't mean I don't want to spend any time around people whatsoever. We can't spend all our time working with just machines and computers (although I'll admit, that is how I spend a lot of time). Even NTs get lonely and need friends. In trying to describe the personality, you seem to have forgotten about the person.

Maybe what I said didn't come out right. I don't mean to claim that NTs are antisocial and don't like to be around people; NTs, especially extraverted NTs, can have rich social lives if they wish. It's just that they shun clingy or submissive relationships and will do whatever needs to be done to avoid that aspect of the relationship, including breaking it off completely.

 

[fishstix]

Maybe what I said didn't come out right. I don't mean to claim that NTs are antisocial and don't like to be around people; NTs, especially extraverted NTs, can have rich social lives if they wish. It's just that they shun clingy or submissive relationships and will do whatever needs to be done to avoid that aspect of the relationship, including breaking it off completely.

I still think that's being too general/extreme. And I'm an introverted NT.

 

[Risen Tree]

I still think that's being too general/extreme. And I'm an introverted NT.

I'm just going with what Dr. Keirsey said here....

 

[fishstix]

I'm just going with what Dr. Keirsey said here....

Then the doctor is being too general/extreme.

 

[Risen Tree]

So what claim are you objecting to?

 

[fishstix]

So what claim are you objecting to?

The statements that I have added bold to:

Being "socially unacceptable" is IMHO the single most ove weakness of NTs. I will be mentioning this topic in a book that I am planning on writing soon. People have no right to judge others based on who they simply are. Besides, why does one need people skills to interact with a machine or a computer?

Well, you gotta understand one of NTs highest values: Autonomy. Having to spend excessive time with friends, family, or both, can strike a blow to Rationals' autonomy. NTs march to their own beat. Far easier it is to get a machine to do what you want than a person; and the efficiency-craving Rationals admit that they would rather spend time on the former than waste effort on the latter.

Maybe what I said didn't come out right. I don't mean to claim that NTs are antisocial and don't like to be around people; NTs, especially extraverted NTs, can have rich social lives if they wish. It's just that they shun clingy or submissive relationships and will do whatever needs to be done to avoid that aspect of the relationship, including breaking it off completely.

 

[Risen Tree]

Being "socially unacceptable" is IMHO the single most ove weakness of NTs. I will be mentioning this topic in a book that I am planning on writing soon. People have no right to judge others based on who they simply are. Besides, why does one need people skills to interact with a machine or a computer?

Well, why do they? It's just an honest question.

Well, you gotta understand one of NTs highest values: Autonomy. Having to spend excessive time with friends, family, or both, can strike a blow to Rationals' autonomy. NTs march to their own beat. Far easier it is to get a machine to do what you want than a person; and the efficiency-craving Rationals admit that they would rather spend time on the former than waste effort on the latter.

Perhaps I should have defined "latter": "spending excessive time with friends, family, or both." I did not mean it as "friends, family, or both." Does this help?

Maybe what I said didn't come out right. I don't mean to claim that NTs are antisocial and don't like to be around people; NTs, especially extraverted NTs, can have rich social lives if they wish. It's just that they shun clingy or submissive relationships and will do whatever needs to be done to avoid that aspect of the relationship, including breaking it off completely.

That's a documented trait of Rationals. I wasn't attempting to point fingers when saying that; it was simply a statement of fact. You must remember, NTs adhere to logic when making any decision, and decisions regarding relationships do not qualify as an exception to this rule.

 

[fishstix]

Well, why do they? It's just an honest question.

Because, like I said, even NTs need friends and get lonely. We can't be expected to spend all of our time with only computers/machines. Thus, we need social skills in order to make and keep friends.

Perhaps I should have defined "latter": "spending excessive time with friends, family, or both." I did not mean it as "friends, family, or both." Does this help?

It helps if the emphasis is on the word excessive rather than the word time. Anything excessive isn't good.

That's a documented trait of Rationals. I wasn't attempting to point fingers when saying that; it was simply a statement of fact. You must remember, NTs adhere to logic when making any decision, and decisions regarding relationships do not qualify as an exception to this rule.

As an NT, I think that fact is incorrect or too general/extreme. NTs may be more logical than most, but we are not robots or vulcans. Like I said before, it seems that in analyzing the personality, the person has been forgotten. We don't do whatever is necessary to avoid clingy/submissive relationships, as sometimes there are other factors to consider such as how much we care about the person we have such a relationship with.

After all, a logical person can't leave out key data in making a decision

 

[Risen Tree]

Because, like I said, even NTs need friends and get lonely. We can't be expected to spend all of our time with only computers/machines. Thus, we need social skills in order to make and keep friends.

Well of course. I was just talking about relating to the computer. But yes NTs can be very fine friends.

It helps if the emphasis is on the word excessive rather than the word time. Anything excessive isn't good.

You read my mind.

As an NT, I think that fact is incorrect or too general/extreme. NTs may be more logical than most, but we are not robots or vulcans. Like I said before, it seems that in analyzing the personality, the person has been forgotten. We don't do whatever is necessary to avoid clingy/submissive relationships, as sometimes there are other factors to consider such as how much we care about the person we have such a relationship with.

Right. A Rational's decision to leave a relationship is rarely a hasty one. It is usually a well-thought out process that typically involves judging whether changes can be made that would not sacrifice the relationship to do so. If virtually painless alternatives are viable, NTs will take advantage of them.

After all, a logical person can't leave out key data in making a decision

Of course.

 

[fishstix]

Well of course. I was just talking about relating to the computer. But yes NTs can be very fine friends.


You read my mind.


Right. A Rational's decision to leave a relationship is rarely a hasty one. It is usually a well-thought out process that typically involves judging whether changes can be made that would not sacrifice the relationship to do so. If virtually painless alternatives are viable, NTs will take advantage of them.


Of course.

Worded that way, it makes a bit more sense. Even so, an NT may keep a clingy/submissive relationship for the same reasons that any other person might

 

[Risen Tree]

Worded that way, it makes a bit more sense. Even so, an NT may keep a clingy/submissive relationship for the same reasons that any other person might

Proper wording can make or break a statement. However, I disagree with your second point; this more nearly applies to NTs' polar opposites, the SJs. SJs' sense of loyalty causes them to act far more patient with clingy relationships than SPs, NTs, and NFs do.

 

[fishstix]

Proper wording can make or break a statement. However, I disagree with your second point; this more nearly applies to NTs' polar opposites, the SJs. SJs' sense of loyalty causes them to act far more patient with clingy relationships than SPs, NTs, and NFs do.

While I agree that others may be more patient than NTs with such relationships, I do not think that NTs are completely intolerant of such relationships. NTs may have reasons for staying in such a relationship. Those reasons may indeed include loyalty.

Maybe the following is the root problem with this (or any) personality classification scheme: Trying to classify all of humanity into so few types is too general. It looks good on paper, but in the real world it must be taken with a grain of salt. People are unique. 4 or even 16 types are not going to adequately describe everyone. Any given individual will be a mixture of the types. I suspect that it would be rare to find anyone who is the extreme example of any one type.

Furthermore, people's personalities can develop with time and life experiences. And people who are on the border between types or who go through something which has an extreme effect on them may indeed change from one type to a different type. I don't buy the whole "your personality is one and only one of these types and is set in stone for life" bit.