"Personal information"

[Adventist Dissident]

IP addresses aren't like a fingerprint.

One surefire way of making sure you don't get in trouble with your church is to be honest with your pastor and don't say anything on here you wouldn't say to your pastor. No?

that sounds very immature here, one of the purpose of the forum is t ask question that you could not ask you pastor about. pastor for fear of social reprecussion. I could never ask my pastor some of the questions I see here.

 

[sentipente]

Well--I just think this is toooo hilarious.

How funny that someone would worry about the GC coming in here and seeing what "Adventists" are saying.

This just shows me that deep down, those who ARE bashing the SDA doctrines feel guilty about it at some level.

Honesty IS the best policy!

And they are being honest in their opinions. The sad reality is that honesty sometimes gets you in trouble with people who think they have bought your soul. Personally, I could care less. I express my views openly in church and anywhere else because I have strong textual support for what I believe. My employer does not care about my religious and theological opinions.

 

[StormyOne]

And they are being honest in their opinions. The sad reality is that honesty sometimes gets you in trouble with people who think they have bought your soul. Personally, I could care less. I express my views openly in church and anywhere else because I have strong textual support for what I believe. My employer does not care about my religious and theological opinions.

same here... and just because a few suggest that asking questions is church bashing doesn't make it true...

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Tall73 I think you need to come in here and explain some things, You have raised this concern, I have voiced it and you need to come and talk about what you know. you have been a Mod and you need to express your self openly. you and sophia7 are the only ones that have been mods so you need to express what you know.

 

[sentipente]

Tall73 I think you need to come in here and explain some things, You have raised this concern, I have voiced it and you need to come and talk about what you know. you have been a Mod and you need to express your self openly. you and sophia7 are the only ones that have been mods so you need to express what you know.

The Mods only have access to the information provided upon registration. I think under the old CF the Mod application asked for more detailed information. Maybe that is what he is talking about.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

he is concerned and rightly so that someone might go to the conference office. This is a legitimate concern. Tall needs to work through these things with out people "head hunting"

 

[sentipente]

he is concerned and rightly so that someone might go to the conference office. This is a legitimate concern. Tall needs to work through these things with out people "head hunting"

Then he must have provided his personal information when he applied to be a moderator. I know from personal experience that Adventist who disagree with you can be real barracudas and will not hesitate to write letters to conference officials and the men who lead these organizations don't always warrant the title.

 

[longhair75]

Under the old moderator application, the information asked is very innocent. I was asked my real name (it is Peter) and my real age (which is 54) I was not asked anything that would be more private than that.

 

[NightEternal]

Well--I just think this is toooo hilarious.

How funny that someone would worry about the GC coming in here and seeing what "Adventists" are saying.

This just shows me that deep down, those who ARE bashing the SDA doctrines feel guilty about it at some level.

Honesty IS the best policy!

I was wondering how long it was going to take for her to come in and gloat at Ice's expense.

As usual, totally misses the point. Ice has a right to his privacy as do all of us. Not that you give a whit about any of it anyhow. Furthermore, I don't see your real name anywhere either, so you really shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. My picture is there for anyone to see. Where is yours?

Like I said, I, for one, have posted nothing I will not stand behind. It is the principal of the right to privacy and anonominity. It is an ethical issue.

Where I stand on the fundamentals is posted here for anyone to see. Nowhere have I outright abandoned any of these beliefs, nor have I declared EGW a false prophetess anywhere in my posts. My views on inspiration are also clearly spelled out for anyone to read. My cards are all on the table.

 

[NightEternal]

Tall73 I think you need to come in here and explain some things, You have raised this concern, I have voiced it and you need to come and talk about what you know. you have been a Mod and you need to express your self openly. you and sophia7 are the only ones that have been mods so you need to express what you know.

Ice, relax. Longhair has already verified that he does not have access to this sort of information as a mod.

 

[NightEternal]

same here... and just because a few suggest that asking questions is church bashing doesn't make it true...

AMEN Stormy. Some here will never get that unfortunately.

I just leave them to thier paranoid delusions.

Seriously, I will never understand why those people who despise questioning of Adventism so much just don't go somewhere else where it is more apologist orientated. CF is NOT an SDA apologist site and never will be.

I mean, for real. Revival Sermons forums, for example, would be an ideal fit for them. No questioning allowed, only the ultra-conservative party line tolerated, EGW veneration encouraged. All liberals and progressives have been driven out and only the 'elite' chosen remnant few remain.

That would be about five regular posters last time I checked.

It sounds like Heaven for them, so why don't they just go join the party? They could talk about Jesuits and NLP all they wanted. I am sure Richard would love to have them. I say this in all seriousness.

Here, I will even provide the link for them:

http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Hmm. The only personal info I can think of would be IP's. LongHair, you guys can see IPs, right? (I haven't seen a message board that doesn't allow the mods to see IP's before, myself).

If this is the case, it would depend on the person's knowledge of computers. If very internet "Savvy", one can take an IP and trace it to the source, or even address..name..phone number. It all depends. My mom and I once had a legal tracker due to the fact she had an internet stalker which liked to come into her forums under different names and such.

This could be the sensitive info, but it really depends on what Tall meant origionally. And still, it takes some skill to get good info out of an IP. Most trackers only provide time zone or possibly city/state/province. And that wouldn't be site specific..all you have to do is email a person and they have your IP.

P.S - In the case of cable internet the ip is less specific, because you are lanning with several machines. Some IP's also change every time you log on. So it's not always a very good way to get personal info, either.

 

[OntheDL]

In my opinion, any Mod who does such a thing has done something not only unethical, but also illegal. If they do do such a thing, they should be sued.

JM

I actually agree with this. That'd be unethical and illegal. That's why you ask for that info straight up.

 

[OntheDL]

Hmm. The only personal info I can think of would be IP's. LongHair, you guys can see IPs, right? (I haven't seen a message board that doesn't allow the mods to see IP's before, myself).

If this is the case, it would depend on the person's knowledge of computers. If very internet "Savvy", one can take an IP and trace it to the source, or even address..name..phone number. It all depends. My mom and I once had a legal tracker due to the fact she had an internet stalker which liked to come into her forums under different names and such.

This could be the sensitive info, but it really depends on what Tall meant origionally. And still, it takes some skill to get good info out of an IP. Most trackers only provide time zone or possibly city/state/province. And that wouldn't be site specific..all you have to do is email a person and they have your IP.

P.S - In the case of cable internet the ip is less specific, because you are lanning with several machines. Some IP's also change every time you log on. So it's not always a very good way to get personal info, either.

The IP can be traced back to the person if he or she owns a web domain. That info (name, address and phone number) is a public record. otherwise the info you can get from the ISP (internet service provider).

The security of this format of the forum (UBB) is a joke. It doesn't take much to hack into. It is a constant cat and mouse game between the hackers and the developers.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

The IP can be traced back to the person if he or she owns a web domain. That info (name, address and phone number) is a public record. otherwise the info you can get from the ISP (internet service provider).

The security of this format of the forum (UBB) is a joke. It doesn't take much to hack into. It is a constant cat and mouse game between the hackers and the developers.

how exactly do you know this?

 

[mva1985]

AMEN Stormy. Some here will never get that unfortunately.

I just leave them to thier paranoid delusions.

Seriously, I will never understand why those people who despise questioning of Adventism so much just don't go somewhere else where it is more apologist orientated. CF is NOT an SDA apologist site and never will be.

I mean, for real. Revival Sermons forums, for example, would be an ideal fit for them. No questioning allowed, only the ultra-conservative party line tolerated, EGW veneration encouraged. All liberals and progressives have been driven out and only the 'elite' chosen remnant few remain.

That would be about five regular posters last time I checked.

It sounds like Heaven for them, so why don't they just go join the party? They could talk about Jesuits and NLP all they wanted. I am sure Richard would love to have them. I say this in all seriousness.

Here, I will even provide the link for them:

http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/

This made me laugh. But seriously I am going to check out the link.

 

[tall73]

Tall73 I think you need to come in here and explain some things, You have raised this concern, I have voiced it and you need to come and talk about what you know. you have been a Mod and you need to express your self openly. you and sophia7 are the only ones that have been mods so you need to express what you know.

Ice,

I did raise the issue with you in previous conversations, however it does not currently have a direct bearing on my situation because I have talked to my conference ministerial director and we are already planning a meeting to go over my concerns with the officers of the conference. So at this point telling the conference wouldn't do much.

However, the issue does have a bearing on some others, beyond just employment issues. While Longhair may not have come across confidential information while on staff I assure you there is a great deal there, both in the archived reports and CR and when interacting in ministry with posters.

I am not referring just to Adventists either. When on staff you will now have access to a number of archives that span all the forums.

There are issues that have come up regarding people's sexual preference, marital status, "orthodoxy." etc. Some of these should never have been discussed but were. Some were admissions in reports or someone else who knew them stating it.

In other cases, and perhaps more as I was on the pastoral team for a time, but even before, people would share things in confidence ,such as struggles with pornography, demonic oppression, sexual orientation etc., and theese things have no business being relayed to anyone.

Moreover, we have had incidents in the past with an Adventists poster who was given confidential info from a mod, under the agreement of confidentiality, and that was not kept.

Therefore it is very much an issue.

And yes, from an IP you can often trace someone's home town fairly easily, and depending on the situation, trace it to an individual with the help of law enforcement. I have done this once in the case of a suidical poster so that they could get help, but even then it is controversial to in any way use someone's private info.

 

[honorthesabbath]

The possibility of confidential communications or personal ID's getting in the wrong hands IS a very serious matter. I would never make light of that.

But I did find it very amusing that those who do come right out and deny the fundemental teachings of the SDA church while professing membership in such, would be afraid of the GC finding out about their posts.

Oh please folks--do you really think they CARE? I doubt seriously that the GC is going to tract you down and burn you at the stake! ROFL!!

Talk about paranoia.

(Hello out there--reality check!!)

 

[OntheDL]

The possibility of confidential communications or personal ID's getting in the wrong hands IS a very serious matter. I would never make light of that.

But I did find it very amusing that those who do come right out and deny the fundemental teachings of the SDA church while professing membership in such, would be afraid of the GC finding out about their posts.

Oh please folks--do you really think they CARE? I doubt seriously that the GC is going to tract you down and burn you at the stake! ROFL!!

Talk about paranoia.

(Hello out there--reality check!!)

Yeah GC doesn't care if anything they encourage it. But the church members do care.

Any surprise that GC tried in the 90s to take the power of disfellowship away from the local churches.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

The IP can be traced back to the person if he or she owns a web domain. That info (name, address and phone number) is a public record. otherwise the info you can get from the ISP (internet service provider).

The security of this format of the forum (UBB) is a joke. It doesn't take much to hack into. It is a constant cat and mouse game between the hackers and the developers.

Yeah, some types of boards and chat rooms are worse than others for hacking. (For the record my mom is a techy and learned certain "Tricks" for this kind of stuff, not that it's used wrong. Same with the fact I've known some hackers that are my friends).

Ice,

I did raise the issue with you in previous conversations, however it does not currently have a direct bearing on my situation because I have talked to my conference ministerial director and we are already planning a meeting to go over my concerns with the officers of the conference. So at this point telling the conference wouldn't do much.

However, the issue does have a bearing on some others, beyond just employment issues. While Longhair may not have come across confidential information while on staff I assure you there is a great deal there, both in the archived reports and CR and when interacting in ministry with posters.

I am not referring just to Adventists either. When on staff you will now have access to a number of archives that span all the forums.

There are issues that have come up regarding people's sexual preference, marital status, "orthodoxy." etc. Some of these should never have been discussed but were. Some were admissions in reports or someone else who knew them stating it.

In other cases, and perhaps more as I was on the pastoral team for a time, but even before, people would share things in confidence ,such as struggles with pornography, demonic oppression, sexual orientation etc., and theese things have no business being relayed to anyone.

Moreover, we have had incidents in the past with an Adventists poster who was given confidential info from a mod, under the agreement of confidentiality, and that was not kept.

Therefore it is very much an issue.

And yes, from an IP you can often trace someone's home town fairly easily, and depending on the situation, trace it to an individual with the help of law enforcement. I have done this once in the case of a suidical poster so that they could get help, but even then it is controversial to in any way use someone's private info.

Understood now. I hadn't thought of that kind of personal information. And yes..trust needs to be a big consideration when electing. Sadly, that's hard to do online.