"Personal information"

[NightEternal]

Tall, all the things you mentioned is personal information that forum members offered, admitted in reports or told someone else. I'm assuming information that is given in some way by the poster is not what concerns Ice.

Maybe we should word this more plainly:

Do the mods have access to, or knowledge of, a forum member's real name, home address, e-mail address, specific location, occupation, phone nunber, etc. when such information has not been provided by the member?

And we are talking about other than IP address traces.

Longhair has assured us that they do not. What say ye?

 

[NightEternal]

But I did find it very amusing that those who do come right out and deny the fundemental teachings of the SDA church while professing membership in such, would be afraid of the GC finding out about their posts.

Oh please folks--do you really think they CARE? I doubt seriously that the GC is going to tract you down and burn you at the stake! ROFL!!

Talk about paranoia.

Hello out there--reality check!!)

For all you know, Ice may very well be a church employee of some sort. So his concerns are totally justified and should not be mocked and made light of.

And it's pretty tacky of you to do so.

NOT ROTFL!

 

[longhair75]

Yeah, some types of boards and chat rooms are worse than others for hacking. (For the record my mom is a techy and learned certain "Tricks" for this kind of stuff, not that it's used wrong. Same with the fact I've known some hackers that are my friends).



Understood now. I hadn't thought of that kind of personal information. And yes..trust needs to be a big consideration when electing. Sadly, that's hard to do online.

I still stand by what I said: the moderator staff does not have access to secret personal info. I have read posts in which forum members were less than discreet about their personal life.

For example: There is a member of CF that lives in the same city that I do. Just from reading her posts for a couple of weeks, I was able to figure out where she goes to church, the approximate neighborhood in which she lives and exactly where she works.

We must be vigilant about protecting ourselves.

 

[honorthesabbath]

But I did find it very amusing that those who do come right out and deny the fundemental teachings of the SDA church while professing membership in such, would be afraid of the GC finding out about their posts.

Oh please folks--do you really think they CARE? I doubt seriously that the GC is going to tract you down and burn you at the stake! ROFL!!

Talk about paranoia.

Hello out there--reality check!!)

For all you know, Ice may very well be a church employee of some sort. So his concerns are totally justified and should not be mocked and made light of.

And it's pretty tacky of you to do so.

NOT ROTFL!

Night--if I didn't do this before (I believe I did though), I'm going to ask you politely to stop posting to me unless you can do so civilly.

I have done my best to stay out of the nasty infighting and I intend to continue to do so. So all I am asking of you Night--and to just ignore my posts as I have been doing yours. Thank you.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

That is a good point Night, and thank you for giving it. I see that honor thought it was simply directed at her but this being a public forum the idea of simply ignoring other posts because someone tells you too is not an acceptable idea. I can just imagine the new signature lines that may be used if honor's idea is accepted.

Please do not respond to this post if you disagree or in anyway criticize or offer information counter to my statements, I am asking you politely, thank you.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Ice,

I did raise the issue with you in previous conversations, however it does not currently have a direct bearing on my situation because I have talked to my conference ministerial director and we are already planning a meeting to go over my concerns with the officers of the conference. So at this point telling the conference wouldn't do much.

However, the issue does have a bearing on some others, beyond just employment issues. While Longhair may not have come across confidential information while on staff I assure you there is a great deal there, both in the archived reports and CR and when interacting in ministry with posters.

I am not referring just to Adventists either. When on staff you will now have access to a number of archives that span all the forums.

There are issues that have come up regarding people's sexual preference, marital status, "orthodoxy." etc. Some of these should never have been discussed but were. Some were admissions in reports or someone else who knew them stating it.

In other cases, and perhaps more as I was on the pastoral team for a time, but even before, people would share things in confidence ,such as struggles with pornography, demonic oppression, sexual orientation etc., and theese things have no business being relayed to anyone.

Moreover, we have had incidents in the past with an Adventists poster who was given confidential info from a mod, under the agreement of confidentiality, and that was not kept.

Therefore it is very much an issue.

And yes, from an IP you can often trace someone's home town fairly easily, and depending on the situation, trace it to an individual with the help of law enforcement. I have done this once in the case of a suidical poster so that they could get help, but even then it is controversial to in any way use someone's private info.

thank-you for this information. I am glad you have addressed the issues with your conference. I think the issues you have raised are legitimate.

Does CF have a "confidentiality policy"? I am really concerned about people in the future.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I am not sure the CountryDOC can Respect the private nature of the information. I am concerned about him.

He has already expressed a desire to limit "free speech"
and shut down any information on "3ABN" because he dose not personally like what is being said, which is dangerous.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

I am not sure the CountryDOC can Respect the private nature of the information. I am concerned about him.

He has already expressed a desire to limit "free speech"
and shut down any information on "3ABN" because he dose not personally like what is being said, which is dangerous.

I think coming into mod-ship at a time when we barely have any of our rules agreed on makes it very hard to go through the election process. Obviously, it'll depend on what rules become reality as to what kind of control the mods have, right? Thusly..if cutting out threads of that nature will fit into the new rules, than he has the right to.

However, if there are no grounds for it within the boundries of the rules..I would like to think Doc would not step beyond that. And if he did, that would put others in the place to raise opposition, right?

As for a confidentiality policy, that is probably a good idea. Although it really does come down to what people are willing to share.

One rule of life is to never put anything into writting that you do not want the world to know about. This goes for even emails and private messages.

 

[tall73]

I still stand by what I said: the moderator staff does not have access to secret personal info. I have read posts in which forum members were less than discreet about their personal life.

For example: There is a member of CF that lives in the same city that I do. Just from reading her posts for a couple of weeks, I was able to figure out where she goes to church, the approximate neighborhood in which she lives and exactly where she works.

We must be vigilant about protecting ourselves.

Those at the supervisor level do have access to the old mod applications, in many cases, and those applications do have user submitted information that was required at that time.

Beyond that the IP address tracing is a real possibility. I was able to trace more than one poster to their city for initial checks on socks without bothering the administrative folks.

For Adventists this is significant because in a number of towns there is only one Adventist church, or at least many of the Adventists would know each other. Therefore getting in touch with Ice's pastor, for instance, would not be all that difficult.

Therefore there is a real issue here, though perhaps not with any particular moderator applicant. My point is that you need to put people on who's judgment you can rely on.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Those at the supervisor level do have access to the old mod applications, in many cases, and those applications do have user submitted information that was required at that time.

Beyond that the IP address tracing is a real possibility. I was able to trace more than one poster to their city for initial checks on socks without bothering the administrative folks.

For Adventists this is significant because in a number of towns there is only one Adventist church, or at least many of the Adventists would know each other. Therefore getting in touch with Ice's pastor, for instance, would not be all that difficult.

Therefore there is a real issue here, though perhaps not with any particular moderator applicant. My point is that you need to put people on who's judgment you can rely on.

You know, I hadn't thought of the fact people's churches so easily could be found with the IP address. Makes me glad there's more than one SDA church in my area.

Seriously, though. You are right. Problems still lie in the area of how do we determine of someone is trustworthy of this kind of info? Other than personal opinion of that individual, I'm not sure how that could be done. And, as we all know, personal opinion can be decieving.

 

[honorthesabbath]

That is a good point Night, and thank you for giving it. I see that honor thought it was simply directed at her but this being a public forum the idea of simply ignoring other posts because someone tells you too is not an acceptable idea. I can just imagine the new signature lines that may be used if honor's idea is accepted.

Please do not respond to this post if you disagree or in anyway criticize or offer information counter to my statements, I am asking you politely, thank you.

RC-you are misunderstanding my point. It looks as though Night and I have a personality conflict. Whenever I voice my opinion, he is right there to smash it. I have NO problem with that at all. But it's the WAY he disagree's that's the problem. It's always in the most hateful manner and this is what I object to.

So please, next time, before YOU jump into a discussion, make an effort to understand BOTH sides. Thank you.

 

[tall73]

Seems we have that database error back where it hides the last page or lists a last page that does not exist.

 

[sentipente]

So all I am asking of you Night--and to just ignore my posts as I have been doing yours. Thank you.

Am I missing something? How can someone ignore another's posts and still answer the same individual's post?

 

[sentipente]

So all I am asking of you Night--and to just ignore my posts as I have been doing yours. Thank you.

Am I missing something? How can someone ignore another's posts and still answer the same individual's post?

 

[TrustAndObey]

Beyond that the IP address tracing is a real possibility. I was able to trace more than one poster to their city for initial checks on socks without bothering the administrative folks.

From what I've seen since the reports have been open, mods have to request an IP check, even when looking for socks? Did you not follow procedure, or is this something every mod does/can do?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

RC-you are misunderstanding my point. It looks as though Night and I have a personality conflict. Whenever I voice my opinion, he is right there to smash it. I have NO problem with that at all. But it's the WAY he disagree's that's the problem. It's always in the most hateful manner and this is what I object to.

So please, next time, before YOU jump into a discussion, make an effort to understand BOTH sides. Thank you.

Why must you insist on telling others what and how to do things. Do you think none of us have the intelligence to think for ourselves? Night was not hateful, that is your unwarranted interpretation.

Please if you have a problem with Night try to acknowledge the fact that maybe part of the problem is you yourself. I personally can't imagine under any set of rules we have had that Night's comment would need to be removed or edited. Now it is time for you to take your own advice and objectively look at both sides.

 

[NightEternal]

What I posted was not done so in a uncivil, hostile, hateful, attacking manner. Like most everything else I post, it is only perceived as such. This electronic medium leaves a lot to be desired for carrying over the nuances of a conversation.

I am simply saying that to laugh over a serious matter and at the expense of Ice and his concerns does not seem right to me. Am I the only one who sees this?

Is it now wrong to rise in defense of a friend?

 

[NightEternal]

Whenever I voice my opinion, he is right there to smash it.

This is complete nonsense and you know it. You speak as though I am stalking you or something!

It has only happened about three separate times: The thread where I confronted your 'devil' comment against me, the WIKI response to your false charges of me being an 'atagonist' and an 'instigator' and now. Each time there has been a specific, valid reason I called you on something.

If you would stop crossing the line all the time, you would never hear from me.

As for putting people on ignore, no, I will never do that. Giving someone the online equivalent of 'talk to the hand' is rude and immature IMO.

 

[tall73]

From what I've seen since the reports have been open, mods have to request an IP check, even when looking for socks? Did you not follow procedure, or is this something every mod does/can do?

The registration IP of each person appears in their profile for staff members. Therefore you can compare registration ip's with no check requested. An IP check can take days, and sometimes you want to deal with a problem poster immediately.

The purpose of a more in-depth ip is to check ALL the ip's they have used on CF, not just the registration one If you can check the initial ones without bothering the support staff it saves them time. If more info is then needed, or if you suspect they registered at a library or something to throw you off (or used a proxy) then you can request the full check.

There are times where several full checks are necessary as eventually they feel they are safe or get in a hurry and log in from the old location.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Gotcha.