Persecution from Evolutionists

[Gottservant]

Define what you mean by principle.

Principle is the ability to maintain a perspective without violating an interpretation.

 

[Gottservant]

No...you claimed that evolution states that man "descended from apes". It's not true.

Mutation only happens by descent. You are imagining you know a theory you do not and are arguing with me, on the basis of your relationship to a dead man. Like him?

It's not ad hominem...just an observation.

An observation is one thing. You tried to give me a choice, that's a comment. A comment that is vague is critical. Something critical is ad hominem. Ergo, you are now lying. That's not a fault, if you can excuse it.

Yeah...I'm not seeing how this relates to the theory that life changes once it appears.

Because you think you know what forgiveness is. Well done, you think.

Yes...I know what persecution is. Do you?

It's not "people disagreeing with my point of view".
Ringo

While I can't tell you that you are not free any more, I can tell you you are not welcome in this thread. I know what a friend is, and you are not being it, by leaving your dispute with me for the last thing you say (after you have expected me to listen to you, all this time).

A dispute that is not first, is a war.

 

[Ringo84]

You may find this helpful:

Evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of life[202] or the origin and development of the universe. While biological evolution describes the process by which species and other levels of biological organisation originate, and ultimately leads all life forms back to a universal common ancestor, it is not primarily concerned with the origin of life itself,[203] and does not pertain at all to the origin and evolution of the universe and its components. The theory of evolution deals primarily with changes in successive generations over time after life has already originated.[204] The scientific model concerned with the origin of the first organisms from organic or inorganic molecules is known as abiogenesis, and the prevailing theory for explaining the early development of our universe is the Big Bang model.

Humans did not evolve from chimpanzees. The two modern chimpanzee species are, however, humans' closest living relatives. The most recent common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees lived between 5 and 8 million years ago.[205] Finds of the 4.4 million year old Ardipithecus indicate the ancestor looked like a small, long limbed chimpanzee with a rather short snout and was a moderately competent bipedal walker. Contrary to the idea of chimpanzees as "primitive", they too have evolved since the split, becoming larger, more aggressive and more capable climbers.[206] Together with the other apes, humans and chimpanzees constitute the family Hominidae. This group evolved from a common ancestor with the Old World monkeys some 40 million years ago.[

Source: List of common misconceptions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You tried to give me a choice, that's a comment. A comment that is vague is critical. Something critical is ad hominem. Ergo, you are now lying. That's not a fault, if you can excuse it.

What?

Honestly...I can't make any sense of your logic here. Somehow I'm "lying" by making an observation about you?

Because you think you know what forgiveness is. Well done, you think.

OK, I guess...

I'm still not following the logic.

I know what a friend is, and you are not being it, by leaving your dispute with me for the last thing you say (after you have expected me to listen to you, all this time).

A dispute that is not first, is a war.

Uh...right.

My purpose is not to be your "friend" or to start a "war" (how is a discussion a "war"?), but to refute the ridiculous idea that a difference of opinion is persecution.
Ringo

 

[Gottservant]

You may find this helpful:
Source: List of common misconceptions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Total gobbledegook.

Name one strength this gives you.

What?

Honestly...I can't make any sense of your logic here. Somehow I'm "lying" by making an observation about you?

It's a straight forward as you can possibly make it. If you are making an observation that is already a choice, you are not able to reason about what I decide and are therefore forcing your opinion on me. An opinion you force on someone is a lie.

It won't kill you (the lie) if you keep it to yourself.

My purpose is not to be your "friend" or to start a "war" (how is a discussion a "war"?), but to refute the ridiculous idea that a difference of opinion is persecution.
Ringo

Total pretense. You give me what you think is truth and then you criticise my handling of persecution, after you have tried to tell me what lie to believe AS IF YOU ARE MY FRIEND.

DO NOT KEEP POSTING HERE IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. I am not angry with you, I am angry with the Devil that is telling you it is ok for me to forget about PERSECUTION (the purpose of this thread, which I started ).

 

[Gottservant]

Persecution is anything which distracts you from the Will of God.

 

[Matariki]

Principle is the ability to maintain a perspective without violating an interpretation.

Are you asking me to agree with your interpretation of scripture?

 

[Matariki]

Persecution is anything which distracts you from the Will of God.

No, I'm sorry, but this is dead wrong. And in my mind, an insult to those who endured through real persecution for their faith.

Persecution is what Jesus Christ went through, what Saint Paul went through, what Saint Peter went through, what John the Baptist went through etc. One could argue that it was God's will for them to endure through what they went through.

The definition of Persecution is of the following: Persecute - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1. to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically: to cause to suffer because of belief

2. to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (as attacks, pleas, or importunities)

 

[Ringo84]

Total gobbledegook.

Name one strength this gives you.

"That wikipedia article is total gobbledegook!" says a member whose word salad posts are nearly indecipherable.

It's a straight forward as you can possibly make it. If you are making an observation that is already a choice, you are not able to reason about what I decide and are therefore forcing your opinion on me. An opinion you force on someone is a lie.

So let me get this straight: an observation is somehow a choice, which is in turn somehow a lie. Therefore, an observation is a lie.

Ridiculous. And you accuse wikipedia of being "gobbledegook"?

Total pretense. You give me what you think is truth and then you criticise my handling of persecution, after you have tried to tell me what lie to believe AS IF YOU ARE MY FRIEND.

DO NOT KEEP POSTING HERE IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. I am not angry with you, I am angry with the Devil that is telling you it is ok for me to forget about PERSECUTION (the purpose of this thread, which I started ).

I don't know where you get this idea that I'm trying to be your friend, because it is not true.

You said that people with opinions other than your own is persecution. I said that it is not. You responded by launching into a barely coherent rant about observations being lies and how I'm trying to "be your friend".

It's pretty clear that you just don't know what you're talking about. You should just quit now while you're behind.
Ringo

 

[Trogool]

To simply state something is not persecution means you are either lying or being cruel.

Faith abates persecution, not remark.

A weed makes a remark and thinks it more than enough.

No, it means I'm not so blatantly insensitive to call the widespread rejection of nonsensical pseudoscience and fairy tales "persecution" when the past century has seen REAL persecution in which Christians were routinely rounded up, tortured and killed for their religion.

For you to dare call this petty whine that endlessly debunked Creationism isn't taken seriously by anyone with the slightest grasp of science is comparable to the holy martyrs is ignorant and insulting.

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[Trogool]

Persecution is anything which distracts you from the Will of God.

You might want to look up persecution in the dictionary...

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[Gottservant]

God give you the Grace to understand, you have only added salt to the wound.

 

[MaxxOmega]

Hmmm If any unsaved came here and read these posts they might possibly say "This is Christianity? They sound like a bunch of screwballs"

 

[Ringo84]

That's a good point: non-Christians probably read this thread and say to themselves "are Christians really this petty?"
Ringo

 

[Gottservant]

Man has no opinion of his own, yet he shares it like a fool.

 

[I Eat Pie]

The thing about Christians. No matter who persecutes us and no matter how much they do, we still hold our faith. I take out my Bible in college and read it while I wait for the professors to arrive and I pay no mind to what non-believers have to say. Though no one has spoken out against it to me yet, but it doesn't matter, because it will make no difference.

Christian and proud of it

 

[Girder of Loins]

I don't see the point of this. Theistic Evolution is a possibility, but evolution has never been proven. You can't get persecuted from evolutionists, only those who support a different Creation account than you do, and evolution has nothing to do with Creation or the generation of life.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Hooray! Another "someone doesn't agree with me, therefore I'm being persecuted!" thread!

 

[Blackwater Babe]

That's a good point: non-Christians probably read this thread and say to themselves "are Christians really this petty?"
Ringo

Hey, ACTUAL Christians read this thread and say to themselves "are other Christians really this petty?"

 

[madaz]

X

 

[Gottservant]

Hooray! Another "someone doesn't agree with me, therefore I'm being persecuted!" thread!

Babe, if the problem was simply that people weren't agreeing with me, you would not have heard about for at least another couple of centuries.

I don't find your post helpful at all.

But the way you say "hooray" is kind of interesting from a theological perspective.