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[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] How can you not believe in Evolution?!

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Kahalachan said:
Evolution doesn't dismiss CHristianity. There's plenty of Christians that accept evolution.

Yes it does.

Read Genesis 1....

Christians that accept evolution are "liberal" christians... There's nothing worse than being a liberal..
 
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MartinM said:
No, he isn't. The brother said that mutations don't change gene number, which is false. Duplications do, for instance.

You're right, of course. I was talking about the "mutations only change what is already there" part with my edit, but I wasn't very clear about that.
 
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RichardT said:
Yes it does.

Read Genesis 1....

Christians that accept evolution are "liberal" christians... There's nothing worse than being a liberal..

Yeah, because liberal ideas such as abolition, equal rights, civil rights, and allowing women to vote caused all the problems in our society today. We should go back to more conservative times when women couldn't vote and white people were allowed to lynch any minority that looked at him wrong.
 
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RichardT said:
Yes it does.

Read Genesis 1....

Christians that accept evolution are "liberal" christians... There's nothing worse than being a liberal..

i do not know if you are a parody or sockpuppet or not.
impossible to tell.
so i'll take this posting seriously although it might not be posted in that way.


no.
lots of conservatives accept the scientific theory of evolution.
i have only to point to:

BB.Warfield who more than any other single person is responsible for the theory of Biblical inerrancy.

and J.G.Machen who lead some of the conservatives out of the Presbyterian church in 1936 after a big battle. He wrote what is still an excellent book on the topic: _Christianity and Liberalism_ where his point is that liberalism is a different religion that is traditional Christianity.

actually being either a liar or ignorant of important things is worse than being a liberal.


because liberal ideas such as abolition, equal rights, civil rights, and allowing women to vote caused all the problems in our society today.

to this list one would have to add:
8 hour work day.
labor unions legal
health, building codes, safety and environmental laws
social security
GI bill of rights after WW2

all of which conservatives said was against the word of God and the expressed intentions of God for society.
 
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RichardT said:
Yes it does.

Read Genesis 1....

Christians that accept evolution are "liberal" christians... There's nothing worse than being a liberal..
Except maybe being a close minded fundamentalist.

Please show me where in Genesis 1 it says evolution cannot be true.
 
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Jase said:
Except maybe being a close minded fundamentalist.

Please show me where in Genesis 1 it says evolution cannot be true.
I wish the word fundamentalist wasn't such a dirty word. It SHOULD mean :Follows the fundamentals. what it as become is Intolerant, bigoted, stone thowing, terroristic, etc...

But that's a matter for another thread.
 
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Uphill Battle said:
I wish the word fundamentalist wasn't such a dirty word. It SHOULD mean :Follows the fundamentals. what it as become is Intolerant, bigoted, stone thowing, terroristic, etc...

But that's a matter for another thread.

I agree. I think part of the problem with the debates today is how people frame the issue. Look at how RichardT uses liberal as a deflamatory remark, even though liberalism as brought some of our greatest freedoms. Likewise, I live in Utah, and I know people that call themselves fundamentalists, but are not intolerant, bigotted, etc... Anyway, back on topic.

RichardT:

What are your thoughts about Christian geologists who falsified the Global Flood searching for evidence of the Flood, and that with new advances in science, 99% of geologists now accept that the Earth is old?
 
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random_guy said:
I agree. I think part of the problem with the debates today is how people frame the issue. Look at how RichardT uses liberal as a deflamatory remark, even though liberalism as brought some of our greatest freedoms. Likewise, I live in Utah, and I know people that call themselves fundamentalists, but are not intolerant, bigotted, etc... Anyway, back on topic.

RichardT:

What are your thoughts about Christian geologists who falsified the Global Flood searching for evidence of the Flood, and that with new advances in science, 99% of geologists now accept that the Earth is old?

Hey random.

Thanks for replying. As to your 2nd part, isn't quoting "Majority rules" technically an error in logic?
 
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Uphill Battle said:
Thanks for replying. As to your 2nd part, isn't quoting "Majority rules" technically an error in logic?
He's not saying that the Earth is old because 99% of geologists believe it is. He's saying that the evidence for an old Earth convinces 99% of geologists.
 
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Uphill Battle said:
Hey random.

Thanks for replying. As to your 2nd part, isn't quoting "Majority rules" technically an error in logic?

Not so much when dealing with experts in the given field (geology). In this case, it is scientific consensus, not argumentum ad populum.
 
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Skaloop said:
Not so much when dealing with experts in the given field (geology). In this case, it is scientific consensus, not argumentum ad populum.
at one point, the scientific consensus was that the earth was flat. (insomuch as it was archaic "science.") There is always the possibility that the majority, even if experts, are wrong.
 
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Uphill Battle said:
at one point, the scientific consensus was that the earth was flat. (insomuch as it was archaic "science.") There is always the possibility that the majority, even if experts, are wrong.
Contrary to popular belief, the idea of a flat earth was disbanded very early in history. In the 1st century BC at the latest, every scholar agreed that the earth is spherical - and you can't really say that there was something like the "scientific consensus"before that time.
 
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