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[GrimKingGrim]

Who are you to stop someone from doing what is meaningful to them?

You don't sound very tolerant.

Hold up, you're telling me that stopping you from trying to stop others from practicing their religious freedoms is intolerance? In what sense of the word?

As i was reading the thread i wanted to share my own beliefs. Science only proves how foolish we humans are. If God doesn't exist then where did we come from?

We came from a sky genie

Did our consciousness just come into existence without a beginning?

Sky genie

Can something come from nothing?

Nothing but Sky genie

No and science proves this. Science proves that something had to exist before we did.

That's why sky genie made Quantum physics

Something had to exist which lead up to the big bang. Newtons law of motion proves that the big bang had to have an origin. It didn't just create itself.

We have experts who have extensively studied this you know? Google is a thing.

Law of motion number one: an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force.

You see. science proves that an external force created the big bang. That force was God Himself.

What the- I don't think that the BB was a singular object acted on by an external force. 99% sure.

You may disagree and say that God didn't create the big bang but you must agree (if you are scientific) that something did create it. So i'll post a question that will leave us with only one answer.

And that's as far as I go for now.

What came first? What created the big bang? and what created that which created the big bang? Something had to be at the very beginning. For something to be at the very beginning, then that thing itself had to be without beginning.

Dunno.

However, how can something have no beginning? The answer is that only the supreme being can have no beginning.

Ask yourself how that makes sense.

It is a living being like ourselves because the law of motion proves that we cannot be greater than what created us.

What?

Wow I'm gonna not finish this one because it goes very non-sequitur very fast.

 

[bhsmte]

This is a question for all of those who believe that meaning and purpose are determined by each human being and not some cosmic tyrant/dictator/gods/God/transcendent being etc. etc. and who at the same time want to spend a great deal of time questioning and arguing with Christians about their beliefs.

My question is:

Why is it that you think you can determine what is meaningful and purposeful in your life, but when it comes to the Christian, you want to deny Christians the right to follow the examples of Jesus and His disciples if they find meaning and purpose in doing so?

I don't know who you are referring to specifically, regarding those who want to deny Christians the ability to follow whatever they choose, in regards to their meaning and purpose in life.

The bottom line is, humans are quite capable of forming their own meaning and purpose in life, whether they are a believer or non believer and a simple examination of basic psychology will tell you how this is done.

The other thing is this, no one can deny any other person how they personally determine their meaning and purpose in life and if the Christian is derailed by another who disagrees with the existence of their God, that doesn't say much for the strength of their personal faith.

 

[Poor Beggar]

This is a question for all of those who believe that meaning and purpose are determined by each human being and not some cosmic tyrant/dictator/gods/God/transcendent being etc. etc. and who at the same time want to spend a great deal of time questioning and arguing with Christians about their beliefs.

My question is:

Why is it that you think you can determine what is meaningful and purposeful in your life, but when it comes to the Christian, you want to deny Christians the right to follow the examples of Jesus and His disciples if they find meaning and purpose in doing so?

You've encountered one of the flaws in Postmodernism. Supposedly there is no knowable truth, yet the postmodernist asserts that that idea is, itself, a knowable truth. The fallacy continues into application by deconstructing others' views while subtly asserting the postmodernist's view is correct without concrete evidence. Here are two fun scenarios to play out when you run into this:
1. "Well, there's no way to know anything is absolutely true!"
Answer: "Then how do you know that is true?"

2. "All belief systems can be true. They CAN co-exist!"
Answer: "Does that include a belief system that says yours is wrong?"

 

[DogmaHunter]

Exactly.

It would behoove one to keep that in mind before deciding to smack another upside the head then, wouldn't it?

Thank you kindly.

Read the OP and consider what exactly I was responding to....


"thank you kindly".

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you find meaning in life by questioning my beliefs have at it. Allow others the same courtesy though.

The entire OP is a rant against people who questions him.
Read.

 

[Poster0]

I actually consider humans to be quite smart.

Special pleading is when you say that everything has to have a creator, except the creator itself because that's your special belief that you need to be true to justify your beliefs.. That's a perfect example of special pleading.


"Perhaps its those who would deny Gods existence who are not using logic and reasoning, but are instead motivated by strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason" - That's a weak deist argument - not a Christian one . Because then we get into which god or gods? Do you deny Krishna? What about denying inter dimensional universe creating pixies - no deity at all needed there. Are you using strong emotional beliefs to deny their existence? How does your theory discount their existence?

There is no denying that humans are also quite foolish. It took the most educated humans to create a way of harnessing atomic energy, yet look at how destructive it has been. We pollute our own environment in the process. Humans have done many foolish things throughout history.

Regardless of that however, what i posted was scientific. Science itself says that everything has a beginning. Yet if everything has a beginning then something had to be first, which means it cannot have a beginning. That defies the laws of science doesn't it? If so then it proves that God is also quite possible because He can be a scientific answer for a scientific impossibility that is clearly not impossible. However you seem to be suggesting that everything has a beginning. However if that's true then something must have been first, which is scientifically impossible. The big bang theory is really comparable to the tooth fairy or santa clause if we say it came into existence without an external force. You see that science cannot explain how something can have no beginning, and that is actually scientifically impossible, yet something had to be first therefore we must conclude that there is a reality which defies the laws of science. We call that reality God. If you want to believe in the tooth fairy instead then be my guest. I prefer to use logical reasoning instead.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

There is no denying that humans are also quite foolish. It took the most educated humans to create a way of harnessing atomic energy, yet look at how destructive it has been. We pollute our own environment in the process. Humans have done many foolish things throughout history.

Regardless of that however, what i posted was scientific. Science itself says that everything has a beginning. Yet if everything has a beginning then something had to be first, which means it cannot have a beginning. That defies the laws of science doesn't it? If so then it proves that God is also quite possible because He can be a scientific answer for a scientific impossibility that is clearly not impossible. However you seem to be suggesting that everything has a beginning. However if that's true then something must have been first, which is scientifically impossible. The big bang theory is really comparable to the tooth fairy or santa clause if we say it came into existence without an external force. You see that science cannot explain how something can have no beginning, and that is actually scientifically impossible, yet something had to be first therefore we must conclude that there is a reality which defies the laws of science. We call that reality God. If you want to believe in the tooth fairy instead then be my guest. I prefer to use logical reasoning instead.

What you posted (and what I responded to for the most part) was pretty nonsensical.

 

[anonymous person]

I have a feeling this thread will be shut down soon.

 

[Poster0]

I believe in God because nothing else can explain creation. I just cannot logically accept that creation happened without an external force and that it came from nothing. That seems impossible to me, and it should seem impossible to any logical person. God is completely logical and His existence explains the unexplained. Its actually illogical to suggest that he does't exist in my opinion. That is not an emotional response but a logical deduction. You may have the last word though, because this is not the topic of the thread and i will not respond further.

 

[anonymous person]

The entire OP is a rant against people who questions him.
Read.

Actually it is to point out the duplicity and hypocrisy a lot of people are guilty of when they on one hand will not affirm the existence of God but yet want to live as if God does exist.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Actually it is to point out the duplicity and hypocrisy a lot of people are guilty of when they on one hand will not affirm the existence of God but yet want to live as if God does exist.

It is?

 

[Oafman]

you want to deny Christians the right to follow the examples of Jesus and His disciples if they find meaning and purpose in doing so?

You could not be more wrong. I would defend Christians' right to do so with my last breath.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I believe in God because nothing else can explain creation. I just cannot logically accept that creation happened without an external force and that it came from nothing. That seems impossible to me, and it should seem impossible to any logical person. God is completely logical and His existence explains the unexplained. Its actually illogical to suggest that he does't exist in my opinion. That is not an emotional response but a logical deduction. You may have the last word though, because this is not the topic of the thread and i will not respond further.

Personal incredulity doesn't exactly make your claim valid. But to each their own.

 

[Oafman]

I just cannot logically accept that creation happened without an external force and that it came from nothing.

Does anyone actually think that?

This thread is like a strawman magnet. If straw was magnetic.

 

[anonymous person]

Does anyone actually think that?

This thread is like a strawman magnet. If straw was magnetic.

This thread is like a derail magnet. Please stay on topic.

 

[anonymous person]

You could not be more wrong. I would defend Christians' right to do so with my last breath.

If what I say does not apply to you then fine. I don't recall mentioning your name in my OP.

 

[Chany]

If what I say does not apply to you then fine. I don't recall mentioning your name in my OP.

Can you name an atheist on the site who would not defend the right to your beliefs, so long as they do not violate the rights of others?

 

[Poster0]

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We have experts who have extensively studied this you know? Google is a thing.



What the- I don't think that the BB was a singular object acted on by an external force. 99% sure.

Ok. i took your advice and googled some expert advice and here is what the experts say-

Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. - See more at: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/#sthash.vuOk6Rov.dpuf

infinitely dense something? They dont know? lol, perhaps the BB sky genie?

 

[bhsmte]

Actually it is to point out the duplicity and hypocrisy a lot of people are guilty of when they on one hand will not affirm the existence of God but yet want to live as if God does exist.

How in the world, did you reach this conclusion?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

infinitely dense something? They dont know? lol, perhaps the BB sky genie?

Well that falls right into your parameters doesn't it?