Perfection

[-Luca]

It appears that term is only used in 2 Corinthians 7

For Godly Sorrow Worketh Repentance to Salvation, not to be Repented Of; but the Sorrow of the World Worketh Death. 2 Corinthians 7:10.

In this chapter the apostle refers to another epistle which he had formerly written to the church at Corinth, on a certain subject, in which they were greatly to blame. He speaks here of the effect that it; had, in bringing them to true repentance. They sorrowed after a godly sort. This was the evidence that their repentance was genuine....................................................


Btw, kewl user name.
Is that from "The Godfather" where the family is notified that Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes?

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Thank you

And no it is because my name is Luca : ]
but I really like the love theme song in that film, it is so beautiful

 

[Danthemailman]

How many people on here claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time just like God the Father? Are we actually perfect "in that sense?" NO. Matthew 5:48 - Be Perfect - Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. Here it is the goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children.

So absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, yet that is the goal to strive for. Yet teleioi is also used to refer to the maturity of an adult, which is the end or aim to which the child points. Thus it denotes those who have attained the full development of innate powers, in contrast to those who are still in the undeveloped state (children).

 

[Bro Hansen]

Hi there, what exactly is Godly sorrow? And Is it a good thing if someone feels it?

Hi.
Godly sorrow comes forth from knowing the perfect Word; rather than summing up sorrow via ones experiances to match the Word.
Before the foundations of the world perfect Love was to feel Godly sorrow and through the righteousness of Jesus it was and can only be felt.
Greater Love has no man than to lay down His life and He our Lord and Savior Jesus did just - unless one is born of God through having faith in the righteousness of the Father one can have no part with Godly sorrow..!
Meeting Jesus the perfect Word of salvation is understanding accepting believing through God given faith the two fold ministry of the Father in His son revealed to the world at His baptism in the Jordan River
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Without Truth we remain in wordly sorrow with our sins.

 

[emilswift]

Rabbit trail: IMHO "perfect" doesn't mean "mature" since the verse reads "Perfect as…" Perfect as what? Perfect as our Father in Heaven. I love it when people take off on how we need to take the Bible at face value—"It says what it says" kind of stuff. Then they don't.

Well, about that verse, "It says what it says." It means to be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. And the reasonable response is, "That's impossible!" And it totally is impossible. Picking up one of Jesus' similar discussions, what is impossible for man, is possible for God.

You see, the synoptic gospels (excluding John) were written TO THE JEWS, to the children of Israel. Not to Gentiles. Recall Jesus and the Gentile Syro-phoenician mother, pleading for her child's deliverance. Jesus spoke rudely, even harshly to her, asking what in the world did he have to do with Gentiles since he'd only been sent to the children of Israel? She flung herself at his feet (which not only indicated humility but ignored sexual conventions) and plead for her daughter: "But even the puppies under the table get to eat the crumbs" and Jesus delivered her daughter from that moment. And at another time when the disciples excitedly brought news that a group of Gentiles wished to speak with him, he refused. He had only been sent to the Jews. The first three gospels, recounting Jesus' ministry, were written for the Jews primarily and we have to be cautious about deriving theology from the synoptic gospels. We have to ask, of any text, did this have primary meaning for the Jews before casually adopting it into our theologies.

Jesus intended for the Jews to feel hopeless at the preaching of the Sermon on the Mount because he wanted to show to them that their religion—Judaism—was bankrupt and could bring no man into God's pleasure. Jesus was preparing the way for people to reject Judaism and accept him as the Messiah, and he would show them a better way—the way of salvation by grace. In this, he was laying the groundwork for the later ministry of Paul, as well as ushering into the world the Kingdom of Heaven which Paul also would flesh out in his day.

Conclusion: Jesus meant exactly what he said in order to produce despair in the hearts of his listeners, enabling or encouraging them to turn from the bankrupt Judaism to follow him as Messiah and on into the Kingdom of God by grace alone.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Rabbit trail: IMHO "perfect" doesn't mean "mature" since the verse reads "Perfect as…" Perfect as what? Perfect as our Father in Heaven. I love it when people take off on how we need to take the Bible at face value—"It says what it says" kind of stuff. Then they don't.

Well, about that verse, "It says what it says." It means to be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. And the reasonable response is, "That's impossible!" And it totally is impossible. Picking up one of Jesus' similar discussions, what is impossible for man, is possible for God.

You see, the synoptic gospels (excluding John) were written TO THE JEWS, to the children of Israel. Not to Gentiles. Recall Jesus and the Gentile Syro-phoenician mother, pleading for her child's deliverance. Jesus spoke rudely, even harshly to her, asking what in the world did he have to do with Gentiles since he'd only been sent to the children of Israel? She flung herself at his feet (which not only indicated humility but ignored sexual conventions) and plead for her daughter: "But even the puppies under the table get to eat the crumbs" and Jesus delivered her daughter from that moment. And at another time when the disciples excitedly brought news that a group of Gentiles wished to speak with him, he refused. He had only been sent to the Jews. The first three gospels, recounting Jesus' ministry, were written for the Jews primarily and we have to be cautious about deriving theology from the synoptic gospels. We have to ask, of any text, did this have primary meaning for the Jews before casually adopting it into our theologies.

Jesus intended for the Jews to feel hopeless at the preaching of the Sermon on the Mount because he wanted to show to them that their religion—Judaism—was bankrupt and could bring no man into God's pleasure. Jesus was preparing the way for people to reject Judaism and accept him as the Messiah, and he would show them a better way—the way of salvation by grace. In this, he was laying the groundwork for the later ministry of Paul, as well as ushering into the world the Kingdom of Heaven which Paul also would flesh out in his day.

Conclusion: Jesus meant exactly what he said in order to produce despair in the hearts of his listeners, enabling or encouraging them to turn from the bankrupt Judaism to follow him as Messiah and on into the Kingdom of God by grace alone.

Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Short Definition: perfect, full-grown
Definition: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056/télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completionby fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).

[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]