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[Minister Monardo]

Ah. I didn’t realize that’s how it works.

Just giving Hark! a hard time. Sorry. I didn't mean to jump into your discussion.

 

[Hammster]

Just giving Hark! a hard time. Sorry. I didn't mean to jump into your discussion.

It still would be interesting if he’d answer my actual question

 

[Dkh587]

"Complete" is a better English word to use instead of "perfect", IMO

He's teaching us to be complete in THIS lifetime.

 

[Minister Monardo]

It still would be interesting if he’d answer my actual question

So, I wasn't just imagining that!
Fact:He has 5 or 6 active OP's.
Reality: He is responding to post's from what is essentially a queue.
Observation: His responses are often what I have described as curt. Or tonight, I was a bit harsh with rote and dismissive. I only say that to remind him that we are trying to edify one another, not best one another. This forum becomes wild west at times. We agree on many things, but not always the same conclusions. I have enough life experience in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit to keep him honest. I pointed out recently that his messages don't speak of The Counselor. A big part of Messiah's mission!
John 16:7. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

 

[Minister Monardo]

"Complete" is a better English word to use instead of "perfect", IMO

He's teaching us to be complete in THIS lifetime.

Mature is a good one.
Hebrews 5:14. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

 

[HARK!]

How perfectly must I keep them in order to not be a liar?

We can cut and paste scriptures all evening. For decades now, I have read the Bible, studied, prayed scriptures aloud, written devotionals and 5 minute Bible studies for various groups, mostly men's fellowship. The use of the Bible to edify others in a personal and loving way is the only way to experience the Lord's approval. So let's cut and paste one more time.
1 Corinthians 13. Not just for weddings!
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

This seems to happen every time we get together. Had you considered why that might be?

 

[HARK!]

Well, misunderstood. It’s been made clearer.

I search my heart for his truth. It's very personal; and the truth goes as deep as I'm willing to be in relationship with him. You should know that I won't be judging you. He will. I would suggest that you approach him in all sincerity, to seek out the depth of perfection that he calls you to.

 

[Hammster]

I search my heart for his truth. It's very personal; and the truth goes as deep as I'm willing to be in relationship with him. You should know that I won't be judging you. He will. I would suggest that you approach him in all sincerity, to seek out the depth of perfection that he calls you to.

This is a classic dodge. But I can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve been doing this for too long.

 

[HARK!]

This is a classic dodge. But I can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve been doing this for too long.

Not at all. It's of the Ruach. Yahshua was asked what is the most important part of the law. He answered with the Shema, to love YHWH with all your mind. Have you ever tried to obey this commandment, really, sincerely, everything, for even one minute? Remember, any thought for yourself is a thought you've taken form him. He calls for everything. How deep do your thoughts go? What is on the other side of your dreams? You have to sincerely know yourself, in order to know what to lay down before him. Anything that we put between our Ruach and him, is what separates us from him. I find that my ego is my most beloved idol. Every time I stroke my ego, at the expense of his instruction; I elevate myself above his throne. Try obeying the Shema for just one minute and then get back to me. Tell me how close you got to him. Then we can talk about what dodging means.

 

[Hammster]

Not at all. It's of the Ruach. Yahshua was asked what is the most important part of the law. He answered with the Shema, to love YHWH with all your mind. Have you ever tried to obey this commandment, really, sincerely, everything, for even one minute? Remember, any thought for yourself is a thought you've taken form him. He calls for everything. How deep do your thoughts go? What is on the other side of your dreams? You have to sincerely know yourself, in order to know what to lay down before him. Anything that we put between our Ruach and him, is what separates us from him. I find that my ego is my most beloved idol. Every time I stroke my ego, at the expense of his instruction; I elevate myself above his throne. Try obeying the Shema for just one minute and then get back to me. Tell me how close you got to him. Then we can talk about what dodging means.

Dodging is when you make a point, and then you avoid answering a question relating to that point.

 

[HARK!]

This is a classic dodge. But I can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve been doing this for too long.

You didn't do your exercise; did you?

Again, the truth goes as deep as you a willing to pursue it.

 

[Minister Monardo]

This seems to happen every time we get together. Had you considered why that might be?

John 16:7. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
Why has he sent Him to you? I teach. I sent you one of 64 essays that I have written and posted on this forum. All written in the last 2 years since I sanctified myself to do this. After decades of fellowship, ministry, heartbreak and Joy, now I write from those experiences in the Lord.
Here is what is amazing. I quit playing online chess. A major break from a passion of mine. I quit listening to music! An even bigger passion of mine from my youth, inherited from both my parents. No musical talent mind you, just listeners. Do you know what happened? I started seeing things in scripture I hadn't seen in 50 years prior. Sanctification. I shared something yesterday from verses you posted from Hebrews concerning the strict expectations of the Gospel. Your reaction was, well you know, it was yours. A bit cutesy by using Captain Obvious, but it had not been obvious to you. You admit to have not seen it most of your life. One little, ahah, moment. Sad, because the essays I have received by way of devotion time is full of them. That one was pretty obvious but also ignored as an inconvenient truth wouldn't you say?
Yet, the one essay I sent you, in which I argued persuasively about the accountability of the nations to the Jewish people, at a level that is being ignored by the ecclesia, and you tried to turn into some dalliance into "the queen of the south" as a motif in prophecy. Really quite unimpressive. I guess what I am saying is that your activity on this "controversial" forum is so unedifying that it contradicts Messiah and the Will of God by its very activity. It is quite earthbound. After following too many of them, I have not found you to have been convincing, or effective in whatever it is you think you are accomplishing. Maybe you can break this down for me, by way of comprehension from the wisdom that comes from above. It could just unlock something. I am assuming your heart is to be a faithful and wise steward.
Luke 12:42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

 

[HARK!]

"Complete" is a better English word to use instead of "perfect", IMO

He's teaching us to be complete in THIS lifetime.

What does that mean to you?

 

[Hammster]

You didn't do your exercise; did you?

Again, the truth goes as deep as you a willing to pursue it.

You didn’t answer the question, did you.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Not at all. It's of the Ruach. Yahshua was asked what is the most important part of the law. He answered with the Shema, to love YHWH with all your mind. Have you ever tried to obey this commandment, really, sincerely, everything, for even one minute? Remember, any thought for yourself is a thought you've taken form him. He calls for everything. How deep do your thoughts go? What is on the other side of your dreams? You have to sincerely know yourself, in order to know what to lay down before him. Anything that we put between our Ruach and him, is what separates us from him. I find that my ego is my most beloved idol. Every time I stroke my ego, at the expense of his instruction; I elevate myself above his throne. Try obeying the Shema for just one minute and then get back to me. Tell me how close you got to him. Then we can talk about what dodging means.

Have you tried this?
Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5.
It begins and ends here. Everyone knows about humility, but I have found few who have expressed an understanding of how to attain this state. True humility is attained by only one way. Humiliation. Christ endured humiliation, even though He is the Son of God.
I have endured great humiliations in my life, and for some reason that can only be grace, it was the time I complained the least. In that broken place, I saw myself as responsible for my state. I couldn't be angry. I never 'blamed God' like I have heard so often. Such insolence to demand an explanation from The Father. I saw in His sovereignty, that I was in that ideal place to receive from Him.
"The sacrifices of God are are a broken and a contrite heart".
This is the only correct understanding of this verse of Paul's:
Philippians 3:21. Who shall change our vile body [this body of our humiliation, look it up], that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Let Him subdue you. You have nothing to be proud of, I pray that you know.
Try obeying the Shema for just one minute and then get back to me. Tell me how close you got to him.
Or you could try this:
Hebrews 4:16. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Stop wasting time.

 

[HARK!]

John 16:7. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
Why has he sent Him to you? I teach. I sent you one of 64 essays that I have written and posted on this forum. All written in the last 2 years since I sanctified myself to do this. After decades of fellowship, ministry, heartbreak and Joy, now I write from those experiences in the Lord.
Here is what is amazing. I quit playing online chess. A major break from a passion of mine. I quit listening to music! An even bigger passion of mine from my youth, inherited from both my parents. No musical talent mind you, just listeners. Do you know what happened? I started seeing things in scripture I hadn't seen in 50 years prior. Sanctification. I shared something yesterday from verses you posted from Hebrews concerning the strict expectations of the Gospel. Your reaction was, well you know, it was yours. A bit cutesy by using Captain Obvious, but it had not been obvious to you. You admit to have not seen it most of your life. One little, ahah, moment. Sad, because the essays I have received by way of devotion time is full of them. That one was pretty obvious but also ignored as an inconvenient truth wouldn't you say?
Yet, the one essay I sent you, in which I argued persuasively about the accountability of the nations to the Jewish people, at a level that is being ignored by the ecclesia, and you tried to turn into some dalliance into "the queen of the south" as a motif in prophecy. Really quite unimpressive. I guess what I am saying is that your activity on this "controversial" forum is so unedifying that it contradicts Messiah and the Will of God by its very activity. It is quite earthbound. After following too many of them, I have not found you to have been convincing, or effective in whatever it is you think you are accomplishing. Maybe you can break this down for me, by way of comprehension from the wisdom that comes from above. It could just unlock something. I am assuming your heart is to be a faithful and wise steward.
Luke 12:42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

This is not the place to go into a big discussion about why this happens; but the reason is obvious. You don't like my messages; so you derail my threads through misdirection. I counter with scripture that is more on point.

Now lets; get back on topic. If you would like to discuss this further, you can send me a personal message.

 

[HARK!]

You didn’t answer the question, did you.

Indeed I did. I'll try again. We are in a state of being deceived. There are levels of deception. The further we are from the father, the greater the darkness. In order to move toward the light, we must first admit the truth, that we are in darkness. Only then will we recognize that we are moving toward the light. Once you move toward the light, it only exposes more darkness. This pattern continues infinitely.

I didn't continue this thought. I decided to ask you your thoughts on this. If you don't have any; then I would encourage you to pray about it.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Now lets; get back on topic. If you would like to discuss this further, you can send me a personal message.

Already done. I just reviewed the history. It is called agreement. That is in your court.

This is not the place to go into a big discussion about why this happens; but the reason is obvious. You don't like my messages; so you derail my threads through misdirection. I counter with scripture that is more on point.

As to this accusation, I have merely countered your positions with passages of scripture, as opposed to your quoting single scriptures out of context. I can't speak for everyone, but the tactic is so transparent to be laughable. Yet it is you who routinely responds to people's post with a simple LOL. Nothing else! I am no online guru, but is that not the equivalent of laughing in someone's face? Totally unjustifiable. Does it make you uncomfortable to be called out for this in a public forum. It is this very forum that you commit the offense. Maybe we should take a poll of people who have had their position LOL'ed by you. I have only been on this site since March 9th, but speaking as someone who is very sensitive to the Holy Spirit (He doesn't insist that I call Him Ruach.), your threads are a minefield. And you accuse me of derailing them? New poll. Who has been edified?

 

[HARK!]

Have you tried this?
Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5.
It begins and ends here. Everyone knows about humility, but I have found few who have expressed an understanding of how to attain this state. True humility is attained by only one way. Humiliation. Christ endured humiliation, even though He is the Son of God.
I have endured great humiliations in my life, and for some reason that can only be grace, it was the time I complained the least. In that broken place, I saw myself as responsible for my state. I couldn't be angry. I never 'blamed God' like I have heard so often. Such insolence to demand an explanation from The Father. I saw in His sovereignty, that I was in that ideal place to receive from Him.
"The sacrifices of God are are a broken and a contrite heart".
This is the only correct understanding of this verse of Paul's:
Philippians 3:21. Who shall change our vile body [this body of our humiliation, look it up], that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Let Him subdue you. You have nothing to be proud of, I pray that you know.
Try obeying the Shema for just one minute and then get back to me. Tell me how close you got to him.
Or you could try this:
Hebrews 4:16. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Stop wasting time.

I lived in a different house for nearly every year of my childhood. My parents would drop me off at the nearest Protestant Sunday school. I got to see how several denominations think. Lots of contradictions.
I can remember more than once saying, "well at my last church they said...;" only to be met with, " if you don't believe what we believe; you're going straight to hell." I ended up a young adult, in a Sunday school class of white haired retirees. All of my peers had outgrown Sunday school and left. There were no other classes for my age group. These were the masters; and I wasn't seeing any miracles.

My mother was the most honest person I've met. I caught her in three lies in her life. The first one was the tooth fairy, then the bunny, then the giant red gnome. I had heard so many conflicting stories about YHWH, that along with the lack of miracles, conflicting stories, and a new found strong aptitude for logic and problem solving, I questioned the existence of YHWH. I figured, that Elohim was just another lie, that parents told their children, you know, so they can teach them moral values.

Fortunately YHWH endowed me with exceptional reasoning skills. I took the next logical step. I realized that the primary source of my doubt stemmed from listening to men. I decided to give YHWH one more chance. I decided that I would try to forget everything anyone had told me about YHWH. (That's not so easy to do) I decided that I would sit down and read the Bible as it is written. I started at Genesis 1:1.

It took me a while to get to the gospels. I forget which one I was reading. I was sitting on a river bank one morning reading. Something happened. I knew that YHWH was real. I didn't need a book to tell me. I wont talk about this in open forum. It's as deep as a heartbeat.

I've been seeking his truth ever since.

I had an accident and broke my knee cap in half. I walked on it in faith, until it healed, no medical treatment. I've been called a liar over this story. Oh well. People will believe whatever they want.

I broke my ankle, same deal.

In another incident:

I was in a car accident that shut down both sides of the highway, because my full tank of gasoline was sprayed over both sides. The body of my car got bent over top, and the chassis got bent underneath. I slid hundreds of feet making sparks. No flame. The was a full sized '60's vehicle. His bumper came about 9 inches from my head. I figure he was doing about 120 when his truck hit me; but I'm guessing. He told the police he was down on the floor fishing for his coffee. He never hit the brake. When I woke up Emergency personnel were all there. They were amazed to see me walk away from the wreckage. There wasn't a mark on me. They said that they would have come to get me; but they thought that I was dead. I did have a head injury; and my vocabulary was diminished to that of a five year old; and I would say each word five or so times. That was when I could speak. Sometimes I couldn't speak for days. If I tried to type; it would come out scrambled. My doctor told me that I would never speak normally again. He was wrong. I believed. I also lost a lot of mobility and was in extreme pain. The first day, I told my Atheist doctor that I believe in faith healing, and that I looked forward to a quick recovery. I could see the disbelief in his eyes. His staff was Atheist too. I kept thanking him for the work he was doing on me, and told him that I was going to tell everyone about him. He kept telling me to tell no one; that he couldn't explain why I was healing so fast; and that it wasn't him. I would look and point up to the ceiling. One of his employees told me that he was looking into faith healing; and that he believed that there is something to it. When my doctor released me he told me that I was the worst case that ever came though his door; that he had called together his staff on the day that I came in; and he told them that I didn't realize it yet; but I was going to be there for a very, very, long time. He told me that despite being the worst case; I was also the fastest healer. Hallelu YAH! I told my Atheist doctor who was behind it; and I didn't see the disbelief in his eyes anymore.

I don't think that there is anything you can tell me about grace. I've been given far more than I deserve. My job isn't to collect grace. Grace is grossly abused to defend all sorts of rebellion. My job as a slave to YHWH is to completely submit in love to his instructions. He'll show grace as he will.

 

[HARK!]

As to this accusation, I have merely countered your positions with passages of scripture

You can't counter scripture with scripture. Scripture doesn't counter itself my friend.