People without borders – What would you do?

[expos4ever]

Certainly, but the other way around. Let those who are concerned about it and insist that it be corrected foot the bill for it. If it's your issue, you support it.

Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.

 

[expos4ever]

Please expo4ever -global warming and heads up "you know what" are off topic! We need solutions not sniping. You got any helpful ideas?
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I think it is a legitimate analogy to make the point that asking only those of us who want to extend mercy to refugees pay for their support is not reasonable. I have no kids; does that I mean I don’t need to pay taxes for schools? Of course not.

 

[Dave-W]

Not just to deal with the immediate, impending invasion of the USA but what to do about the world-wide mass migrations that have now become the norm.

"NOW??" With the exception of the last 2 centuries, that has been a normal part of human history everywhere.

 

[section9+1]

The question was, if you had the authority, what would you do. I answered. I don't recall asking for anyone's approval.

 

[Desk trauma]

Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.

Wait, what? If we want people to fix their own counters rather then form caravans of economic migrants and illegally enter ours we need to pay them to stay home?

 

[expos4ever]

Wait, what? If we want people to fix their own counters rather then form caravans of economic migrants and illegally enter ours we need to pay them to stay home?

My post was not intended to be taken seriously. I was trying to parrot the strange (to me) reasoning of another poster.

 

[Desk trauma]

My post was not intended to be taken seriously. I was trying to parrot the strange (to me) reasoning of another poster.

Ah. In that case I ask your pardon my tone from text plug in it on the fritz.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Certainly not. But the view you've expressed is not a matter of true or false. Better to ask, is it a prediction of a possibility or a prophecy of a certainty? The more people that think nothing can be done and therefore do nothing, the more of a possibility it becomes.
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It's not that nothing can be done fish....it's that no one is willing to do it.

If we stick with our Guatemala example, they've got 12 million people, mostly Catholics, and they've outlawed abortion. They've got too many people to feed, educate, and not a big enough economy to provide for them all even if it did have a decent welfare system.

So I'd suggest they outlaw Catholicism and create a strict 1 child per woman policy. They can sterilize all women with 1 or more children already....and allow cheap/free abortion for those without children now. Then we cut off all healthcare for anyone over 40.

Hopefully in a decade or two, the economy has grown enough and the population has shrunk to 4-6 million and they at least have enough food and jobs to go around. It won't be paradise by a long shot...but hopefully it's enough to keep them from migrating here.

Sound good to you?

 

[PloverWing]

I could be wrong, but to me sponsorship amounts to getting these people into the system. Helping them until they jump through the government hoops and are able to receive public assistance. I propose no assistance at all. If someone wants to sponsor an immigrant that is alright, but that sponsorship should mean they are a permanent dependent until they are able to support themselves-if ever. And whatever care or support that they cannot provide for themselves, the bill goes to the sponsor-forever.

This isn't my vision of sponsorship. My vision is to get them into the system of education and then employment, just like the system other Americans are in. Were you a shopkeeper in your old country? Let's help you figure out how to start a small business in the US. Were you a physician or a nurse or a midwife? Let's get you certified to practice medicine in the US. Were you a handyman or a carpenter? Let's find you construction work here. Can you cook? Let's look at the jobs in local restaurants. They're people, with their own individual skills, just like Americans are people. They may not know English, and they probably don't know American law or have American certifications, so American sponsors can help with those things. But there's no reason to envision them as permanently unemployed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.

Certainly, but the other way around. Let those who are concerned about it and insist that it be corrected foot the bill for it. If it's your issue, you support it.

It would be cheaper to pay Mexico billions for all land 10 miles south of the border, riddle it densely with land mines so that it's completely impassable...then just put up signs every 50 yards warning of death.

They would undoubtedly resort to boats but we have a huge navy we see little use of.

 

[Occams Barber]

So imagine you're the USA's president, or someone rich enough, or powerful enough to make things happen. What would you do? Not just to deal with the immediate, impending invasion of the USA but what to do about the world-wide mass migrations that have now become the norm.
A river of people: The migrant caravan in pictures

I'm not interested in your politics. What I'd like to hear about are possible solutions.
Ideas that go beyond the binary, Keep 'em out!/ Let 'em in!
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Simple:

• Keep borrowing more money so that you totally wreck the US economy.
• Continue with present healthcare policy to ensure segments of the population become increasingly desperate.
• Promote total distrust of the media, science and public institutions
  
• Deregulate offensive weapons so that the US community becomes a series of armed camps regulated by the local Warlords.

Once the US turns into just another third world country you won't need to keep them out - no one will want to come.
OB

 

[Ana the Ist]

This isn't my vision of sponsorship. My vision is to get them into the system of education and then employment, just like the system other Americans are in. Were you a shopkeeper in your old country? Let's help you figure out how to start a small business in the US. Were you a physician or a nurse or a midwife? Let's get you certified to practice medicine in the US. Were you a handyman or a carpenter? Let's find you construction work here. Can you cook? Let's look at the jobs in local restaurants. They're people, with their own individual skills, just like Americans are people. They may not know English, and they probably don't know American law or have American certifications, so American sponsors can help with those things. But there's no reason to envision them as permanently unemployed.

I'm not sure what images come to mind when the media calls the people who harbor illegals in this nation "sponsors"....but the image that should come to mind is "modern day slaver".

These central American illegals can't afford to pay the cartels to sneak them in undetected....and there's really too many anyway. So instead, they make a deal to enter somewhere "safe"....and once apprehended they plead asylum. 75+% don't show up for asylum hearings...instead, they fill out the paperwork and then call their "sponsor" who tells them how to get to the sponsors' locations. The sponsors usually give them a bus ticket and instructions....and when they arrive, they share a home with multiple other illegals and their families. In addition to a roof over their heads, running water, and electricity....they are given a job at an illegally low wage, under the table, of which their sponsors keep a hefty cut. This continues until they can get away (they usually can't afford to) or they pay off their debt (which they can't afford to due to interest) or they lose their job, get sick, or otherwise stop paying the sponsor....who then turns them in to ICE and has them deported.

The sponsors, of course, give a percentage back to the Mexican cartels running the operation...to keep a steady supply of slaves, errrr "immigrants" coming their way.

It's a heartless system that exists because we're unwilling to stop it.

 

[PloverWing]

I'm not sure what images come to mind when the media calls the people who harbor illegals in this nation "sponsors"....but the image that should come to mind is "modern day slaver".

That's not what I'm talking about. Don't you remember when American churches and other groups sponsored immigrant families at the end of the Vietnam war? I'm talking about doing something like that again. I'd prefer that it be easier for immigrants to enter legally (like the Vietnamese immigrants did), so that no one has to hide, and so that slavers can't take advantage of them.

 

[tulc]

(snip) In keeping with the reality portrayed in the OP my solution would involve becoming a member of the green lantern brigade.

...definitely a better choice then the Red Lanterns:

tulc(and less bloody)

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's not what I'm talking about. Don't you remember when American churches and other groups sponsored immigrant families at the end of the Vietnam war? I'm talking about doing something like that again. I'd prefer that it be easier for immigrants to enter legally (like the Vietnamese immigrants did), so that no one has to hide, and so that slavers can't take advantage of them.

And people in hell want icewater....

I applaud your sympathy, and under ideal circumstances, I'd be with you. The reality is though, that while the cost of living has jumped a lot since then, real wages haven't. If a sponsor loses their job and suddenly can't support their immigrant....what then? They get deported?

Also....we're talking about an average 500,000 to a million people every year. Sponsors wouldn't put a dent in that.

Both parties lie about this situation. Immigrants aren't a drain on the economy....but illegals typically are. Common sense should tell you that. We're talking about people who are dirt poor, have little to no skills, a 6th grade education (from their country) and they don't speak the language. We'd have to invest a lot of money into them just to get them to the point where they don't need public assistance. This is the truth that the left ignores/lies about.

The right wants you to believe that there's a lot of criminals...but there's no real evidence of that. Sure, there is the occasional gang member or pedo....but it doesn't seem to be a significant factor. This changes slightly for border states, who do get more criminals on average....but still not a significant number. This is what the right lies/ignores.

I agree with Desk Trauma....the best way to deal with this is to cut off their incentives. Make it so the penalties for hiring them aren't worth the risk. Make it so they cannot access welfare or healthcare of any kind. They'll stop coming.

I know that seems heartless....but there's billions of poor and uneducated people in the world and we can't afford to help them all.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

1. Build the wall (barrier).
2. Deport the illegals.
3. Kick back...all is well.

 

[~Zao~]

Do you see this hand? Imaginary wall. Deal with it Trump. Love your neighbours.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you see this hand? Imaginary wall. Deal with it Trump. Love your neighbours.

Trump loves Canadians. Mexicans...not so much.

 

[~Zao~]

Trump loves Canadians. Mexicans...not so much.

We don't need uncle sam's cabin to know what were doing tho. Trumps a Samaritan.

 

[~Zao~]

Besides we're waiting for Trump to foot the bill for the wall too. But sometimes forever is too long.