People in Heaven?

[Athaliamum]

Now if the soul goes to heaven now if we die what in the world then is the point of Judgement day or the "day of wrath" as the scri[ture commonly calls it. How can a soul be found in the presence of the almighty God without first being judged worth of being in it. Yeshua doesn't judge (seperate the wheat from the tears)until the end of time. Just because some have been deemed worthy of heaven before this time doesn't mean it is the standard operating procedure for everyone.

Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Revelation 20:11
"Next I saw a great white throne and the One sitting on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence, an no place was found for them."

Revelation 21:1
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had passed away, and the sea was no longer there....

Revelation 21:5
"Then the One sitting on the throne said, 'Look! I am making everything new!'"

Well, seems to me that heaven is even temporary until judgement by these verses until it is remade as it should and then the souls of those judged righteous will enter it - not before.

 

[christiangal522]

If one goes to heaven when he/she dies, what need would there be of a body?

I agree with you. Our bodies will be restored (resurrected) as will the earth also be restored.

 

[christiangal522]

Heres another thought:

If the Kingdom of God is here right now (through the people of God and the presence of the Holy Spirit), then isnt' heaven HERE and not in some far off place??

 

[good4u]

Heres another thought:

If the Kingdom of God is here right now (through the people of God and the presence of the Holy Spirit), then isnt' heaven HERE and not in some far off place??

I don't know what kind of theology you have been studying, but I have read this whole thread and shake my head.

The heaven the Bible speaks of is a temporal place, a place, a place, a place. God resides somewhere and that somewhere is what the bible calls "heaven."

The Kingdom of God that Jesus speaks of in the gospels is both literal and spiritual in application. Our study group is studying Revelation and the picture the Bible protrays of heaven is a very busy and loud place because that is where the universe is ruled.

You seem to think that God is by Himself in heaven with Jesus, of course. That is far from what the Bible portrays as it teems with pulsating energy, it takes a lot of work to run the universe at God's pleasure. The Apostle John was overwhelmed in his prophetic state while penning Revelation.

I would not underestimate what God has not revealed specifically to his servants. Whatever state the saint's soul is in, the soul who is saved is indeed aware of the presense of the LORD.

Death is indeed a physical separation of soul and body. The body to await resurrection and the soul to one of two places. It is just that simple.

 

[heatherwayno]

I don't really have much to add excepy that it is a scary thought to think that we are going to remain dead until Christ returns. I believe that when we die- we join Christ in heaven. I believe that the second we close our eyes in death we open them to the site of the Lord.

 

[forgotten33]

I don't really have much to add excepy that it is a scary thought to think that we are going to remain dead until Christ returns. I believe that when we die- we join Christ in heaven. I believe that the second we close our eyes in death we open them to the site of the Lord.

I agree

 

[JesusServant]

I don't know what kind of theology you have been studying, but I have read this whole thread and shake my head.

The heaven the Bible speaks of is a temporal place, a place, a place, a place. God resides somewhere and that somewhere is what the bible calls "heaven."

The Kingdom of God that Jesus speaks of in the gospels is both literal and spiritual in application. Our study group is studying Revelation and the picture the Bible protrays of heaven is a very busy and loud place because that is where the universe is ruled.

You seem to think that God is by Himself in heaven with Jesus, of course. That is far from what the Bible portrays as it teems with pulsating energy, it takes a lot of work to run the universe at God's pleasure. The Apostle John was overwhelmed in his prophetic state while penning Revelation.

I would not underestimate what God has not revealed specifically to his servants. Whatever state the saint's soul is in, the soul who is saved is indeed aware of the presense of the LORD.

Death is indeed a physical separation of soul and body. The body to await resurrection and the soul to one of two places. It is just that simple.

Happy birthday good4u and fantastic post!



However, hopefully no one will misunderstand one thing here. The flesh is where sin is condemned by Christ Jesus. This flesh we are in today will NOT be resurrected - it is the soul within that lives forever. If we are alive at His return the flesh/physical body will be changed into an everlasting glorified body (as pre-witnessed at Christ's transfiguration - and witnessed by the Disciples at His return). But we will have a body like the one Jesus returned with, yet we will all look different - at least that's my understanding as of now, but connected as One through the Spirit of God. This is shadowed in today's present world by the way all believers in Christ are connected through prayer and action. We just have sin still in our way currently. But as He promised - all sin will be taken away and we'll be left with all that is good through Love.

Glory to Jesus

 

[JesusFreak4L]

I don't really have much to add excepy that it is a scary thought to think that we are going to remain dead until Christ returns. I believe that when we die- we join Christ in heaven. I believe that the second we close our eyes in death we open them to the site of the Lord.

i totally agree with this, i get in debates with some teachers at my school about this...((i go to a lutheran school so we can do this daily!))

 

[JesusServant]

Don't fear the Reaper

 

[Athaliamum]

I think you are thinking from a very "earthy" point of view, govened by what you know and understand right in front of you. The spirit world is a different plane not subject to our ideas and limits of time. It would be but a blink of an eye to us, a nano-second. What's scary about that? It's not like God is going to lose your soul or something.

 

[JesusServant]

I think you are thinking from a very "earthy" point of view, govened by what you know and understand right in front of you. The spirit world is a different plane not subject to our ideas and limits of time. It would be but a blink of an eye to us, a nano-second. What's scary about that? It's not like God is going to lose your soul or something.

Word! Now we're talking

 

[heatherwayno]

What about on the cross when Jesus says to the man near him that this day they will be in paradise together.

 

[christiangal522]

I don't know what kind of theology you have been studying, but I have read this whole thread and shake my head.

The heaven the Bible speaks of is a temporal place, a place, a place, a place. God resides somewhere and that somewhere is what the bible calls "heaven."

The Kingdom of God that Jesus speaks of in the gospels is both literal and spiritual in application. Our study group is studying Revelation and the picture the Bible protrays of heaven is a very busy and loud place because that is where the universe is ruled.

You seem to think that God is by Himself in heaven with Jesus, of course. That is far from what the Bible portrays as it teems with pulsating energy, it takes a lot of work to run the universe at God's pleasure. The Apostle John was overwhelmed in his prophetic state while penning Revelation.

I would not underestimate what God has not revealed specifically to his servants. Whatever state the saint's soul is in, the soul who is saved is indeed aware of the presense of the LORD.

Death is indeed a physical separation of soul and body. The body to await resurrection and the soul to one of two places. It is just that simple.

I dont disagree with you....I guess what I meant was the kingdom of God is HERE, NOW. It's also THERE...if I'm understanding correctly...in essence, EVERYWHERE.

 

[bryanhilton]

Concerning weather or not we go to heaven when we die I have this to say (I believe we, those who die knowing Christ as their Lord and Savior, go to heaven when they die) when we die, time to us becomes eternity, as in no time. It is true because God is I AM which means always present. We are living on a timetable of when we meet Him Face to face, so time only exists on this earth. Time is based on the earths rotation on its axis. But I know that the perishable must take on the imparishable one day. I also believe we will receive a new body.

 

[DeaconDean]

(I am seminary trained in this so trust me on this one).

So am I Sister. I have an Associates degree in Pastorial Ministry. Moses died and Moses' body was buried by God Himself. (Deut. 34:5-6) Yet at the Mount of Transfiguration he is seen alive and talking to Jesus. Moses had been dead for what at least 3500 years and yet was seen alive? So it logically would lead one to believe that there are people alive in Paradise.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

One other thought Sister. If I am wrong, then please explain to me who are those people who are described here:

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:" -Rev. 6:9

This verse alone shows that there are people in heaven. And we know that they are alive because they are heard to say:

"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" -Rev. 6:10

God Bless

Till all are one.