Do or should we dutifully follow and thereby try to obey in our own strength, a written set of written down commands, or should we follow what we think or believe what right or wrong is from our hearts or conscience... BTW,
First, as I told you before, nobody can obey God without the Lord (See John 15:5).
But while God can do the good work through us (so as to obey His commandments), He does not force us to do His good will. We actually have to surrender to the Lord and decide to obey Him. We have to study to show ourselves approved unto God. God is not going to study His Word for us and God is not going to obey for us.
Second, Jesus said to the rich young ruler,
"If you will enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
The rich young ruler asked,
"Which ones?"
Jesus said,
"Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and
thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. " (Matthew 19:18-19).
Did Jesus say not to worry about the commands and just follow your conscience?
No.
The Bible says,
"The heart
is deceitful above all
things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9).
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof
are the ways of death." (Proverbs 14:12).
If what you say is true, then all the commands in the New Testament are just useless background noise or useless old newspapers to be burned and we should just follow our conscience instead.
may I remind you that there is always a exception and exceptions to every written rule, law, code, or command, inherently exposing the flaw and imperfection in the "written law" as the Bible puts it...
Let's read the part of the Bible that you are alluding to.
"For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God." (Hebrews 7:19).
Is this talking about Law in general or the Law of Moses from the Old Covenant?
Verse 5 says,
"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law,..." (Hebrews 7:5).
Are the Levites who receive office of the priesthood and who have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the Law talking about the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers or is this talking about the 613 laws within the Law of Moses under the Old Covenant?
Surely it is talking about the Old Law and not the New Law under Christ.
As for exceptions of the Law:
So is there an exceptions to prostitution, hurting children, axe murdering, idolatry, loving God, loving the brethren, etc.?
Do you really honestly think there are exceptions to these kinds of sins?
God put His commands in the Bible for a reason and not for you to ignore them or to treat them as unimportant. They are essential to the faith.
1 John 3:23 is a command that tells you to believe on Jesus.
Is there an exception to this command?
Surely not.
You said:
It therefore being imperfect cannot make anyone else perfect either... True Justice is and exercise in exceptions, or becoming perfectly all knowing of all and any exceptions, but, make no mistake there are always exceptions... And our conscience tells us about the exceptions...
The Old Law made nothing perfect. This is not talking about the commands that are a part of the faith under the New Covenant. Hebrews 10 talks about those who died who despised Moses Law. So while the Old Law made nothing perfect, people could still die by disobeying the Law. Hebrews 10:26 says if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.
6 "Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”
8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel." (1 Corinthians 10:6-10).
You said:
Encourage yes, but not judge, or try to evaluate them for ourselves, we should let them do that or them tell us about that, and that's what I call waiting for an open door, then offer our "opinion" (not fact) humbly and gently and in love...
You are judging now by telling me it is wrong for me to judge. That is like the pot calling the kettle black. If you do not believe it is right to judge at all, then you cannot say anything in opposition of what you feel is wrong; Nor can you admit to seeing evils done in the world as being evils. If a serial killer does horrible unimaginative evils to kids.... Would you honestly say that you cannot judge that kind of evil he does and you would refuse to say it is wrong?
You said:
There is a such thing as having to act without judging... We should pity Hitler and those like him and his followers and the whole damn thing, all that happened, with the Jews and others, and the war, and what he forced our (America's) hand into doing... But we have to know we did have to do it and that he basically made us do it to him (Hitler)... If anything we should be angry with him about that...
Why pity and get angry at Hitler if you do not think we can judge?
You cannot judge Hitler's actions because you said that it is not our place to judge.
You said:
Do we accurately judge ourselves though (correctly evaluate ourselves)...?, Or is only, in so doing, even if it is flawed or imperfect, in the the trying to do of it (judge, or correctly evaluate) ourselves, just in the doing of it, then God does not judge you when you do, or at least try, and there might be something to be gained in the trying, IDK...?
If we ask God for help in judging ourselves and in having the fear of the Lord, then God will help us with that because it is in line with His Word.
You said:
But, we should not judge others but be ready to take action against certain others under certain circumstances and if and when necessary...
You cannot take action against others without judging their evils. If there was no judgment upon evil then there would be no police, judicial system, etc. keeping the peace. People could commit crimes and not worry about any punishment. Laws (along with law enforcement) are put into place to keep a peaceful society. Judging goes along with that.
You said:
And I was talking about us trying to judge if were better than someone else, or whether another person is for sure going to heaven or hell, based on each others works, only God can do that...
We do not know the final fate of a person. A person can repent five seconds after we stopped talking to them. We do not know what people will do. But it is our job as believers to not sugarcoat the truth in what God's Word says.
The warnings in the Bible on how sin can separate a believer are very real.
We as believers have to let our fellow brethren know the dangers of sin and how it can destroy their souls; Or don't you think a believer cannot fall away from the faith?
You said:
Yes, I am...
Unselfish, non-self serving works must be a part of true genuine faith, or it's just not true, genuine, real faith...
Glad we can agree on this point.
You said:
Then that leads off into my point about us judging one another and comparing ourselves to one another based on this, ect...
I believe your thinking that we cannot judge is flawed. Try doing a study on this topic in the Bible sometime (from an unbiased viewpoint) and it will surprise you.
Some sin can make it feel that way, but it can cause problems in all kinds of other ways... But I have discovered that God is no more close, or distant, than he's ever been in my life, which is very close for me, regardless of what my sins was or were,
Yeah, I don't believe that is biblical.
You said:
Anyways, may God bless you, too;
And may His goodness be upon you (even if we disagree).