Pentecost happened where??

[pinacled]

Plus there just isn't enough room for over 3,000 people to have gathered here.

Ariel picture of Upper Room

Photo of Davids Tomb and upper room - see courtyard, very small.

Mark 14
…14and wherever he enters, say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher says, "Where is My guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?"' 15"And he himself will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; prepare for us there." 16The disciples went out and came to the city, and found it just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover.…

 

[pinacled]

Mark 14
…14and wherever he enters, say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher says, "Where is My guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?"' 15"And he himself will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; prepare for us there." 16The disciples went out and came to the city, and found it just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover.…

I wasnt talking about a physical location.
If we think about it why did God give the Tabernacle and pattern on the Mount.
It dosnt matter where you are geographically when referring to the Temple.
Or for that matter the Upper room. It is part of the Temple.
After 40 days Jesus Ascended. 40 sockets of silver.?
Who is the High Priest?
Who enters the Upper room?
The Glory of the Lord entered by way of the East gate.

 

[pinacled]

I wasnt talking about a physical location.
If we think about it why did God give the Tabernacle and pattern on the Mount.
It dosnt matter where you are geographically when referring to the Temple.
Or for that matter the Upper room. It is part of the Temple.
After 40 days Jesus Ascended. 40 sockets of silver.?
Who is the High Priest?
Who enters the Upper room?
The Glory of the Lord entered by way of the East gate.

Exodus.27
20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.

21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the Lord: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.

Exodus 28......

 

[Lulav]

Mark 14
…14and wherever he enters, say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher says, "Where is My guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?"' 15"And he himself will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; prepare for us there." 16The disciples went out and came to the city, and found it just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover.…

A room that would hold 13 men in those days was large.

 

[Lulav]

I wasnt talking about a physical location.
If we think about it why did God give the Tabernacle and pattern on the Mount.
It dosnt matter where you are geographically when referring to the Temple.
Or for that matter the Upper room. It is part of the Temple.
After 40 days Jesus Ascended. 40 sockets of silver.?
Who is the High Priest?
Who enters the Upper room?
The Glory of the Lord entered by way of the East gate.

If you weren't speaking of a physical location, why quote Matthew and then quote yourself about a large upper room?

 

[pinacled]

If you weren't speaking of a physical location, why quote Matthew and then quote yourself about a large upper room?

I was curious.
I have my querks.
The upper room is mentioned also for the Passover. then 40 days after.
So 40 sockets of silver to a lampstand
50 days before and after Shavu'ot/Pentecost mark a 40 day count recognized till Tishri. 1?

50 days 50 loops.?
Exodus 26

5 Fifty loops shalt thou make in the one curtain, and fifty loops shalt thou make in the edge of the curtain that is in the coupling of the second; that the loops may take hold one of another.
6 And thou shalt make fifty taches of gold, and couple the curtains together with the taches: and it shall be one tabernacle.

 

[Lulav]

I was curious.
I have my querks.
The upper room is mentioned also for the Passover. then 40 days after.
So 40 sockets of silver to a lampstand
50 days before and after Shavu'ot/Pentecost mark a 40 day count recognized till Tishri. 1?

50 days 50 loops.?
Exodus 26

5 Fifty loops shalt thou make in the one curtain, and fifty loops shalt thou make in the edge of the curtain that is in the coupling of the second; that the loops may take hold one of another.
6 And thou shalt make fifty taches of gold, and couple the curtains together with the taches: and it shall be one tabernacle.

Many believe that this was not just a fluke, they were in the Essene quarter so they were staying in a place readied for them.

But I see what you are saying about the numbers, but I don't think that has anything to do with it, being this was Herods Temple we are speaking of, not the mishkan.

 

[Dave-W]

Can anyone show me where the idea came from that the events of Acts 2 happened in the "upper room?"
I see nothing in the text to indicate that.

Please keep in mind that "the house" [ha beit] was a common reference to Herod's Temple.

 

[Alithis]

interesting thread ..over the years iv heard reference to it taking place in the "upper room", but never felt any need to give the reference any importance .
maybe because it wasn't in the upper room ..i did wonder why they all came stumbling out of the upper room ?? i mean why would they ? folks are not in a hurry to leave such a powerful encounter with the Lord i have observed .
so i guess it makes sense to me that they may well have been waiting on the lord elsewhere ..
interesting .
of course whats is most important ,wherever they were, is that the lord chose to no longer dwell in a temple made by mens hands ..but took up abode in the hearts of mankind .... a living temple not built by mans hands .

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings dear brother Pinacled , your argument is trying to bridge a chasm with , apples using oranges .

Apples ; Acts 2:2 House .

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0001414

" <A-1,Noun,3624,oikos>
denotes (a) "a house, a dwelling," e.g., Matt. 9:6,7; 11:8; it is used of the Tabernacle, as the House of God, Matt. 12:4, and the Temple similarly, e.g., Matt. 21:13; Luke 11:51, AV, "temple," RV, "sanctuary;" John 2:16,17; called by the Lord "your house" in Matt. 23:38; Luke 13:35 (some take this as the city of Jerusalem); metaphorically of Israel as God's house, Heb. 3:2,5, where "his house" is not Moses', but God's; of believers, similarly, ver. 6, where Christ is spoken of as "over God's House" (the word "own" is rightly omitted in the RV); Heb. 10:21; 1 Pet. 2:5; 4:17; of the body, Matt. 12:44; Luke 11:24; (b) by metonymy, of the members of a household or family, e.g., Luke 10:5; Acts 7:10; 11:14; 1 Tim. 3:4,5,12; 2 Tim. 1:16; 4:19, RV (AV, "household"); Titus 1:11 (plural); of a local church, 1 Tim. 3:15; of the descendants of Jacob (Israel) and David, e.g., Matt. 10:6; Luke 1:27,33; Acts 2:36; 7:42. See HOME, A, No. 1. Note (1), HOUSEHOLD."
Oranges ; Mark 14:14

http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/mark_14.shtml

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0001415

Strong's Greek Definition for # 3617

3617 // oikodespothv // oikodespotes // oy-kod-es-pot'-ace //

from 3624 and 1203 ; TDNT - 2:49,145; n m

AV - householder 4, goodman of the house 4, master of the house 3,
goodman 1; 12

1) master of the house, householder

Where were " NO " public upper rooms in the Temple !

http://www.templeinstitute.org/day_in_life/locations.htm

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0003188

99 times out of a 100 , upper room meant the roof where most Hebrews lived & sleep , this time of the
year all year except the three wet months . The people this literature is addressed to when it was written would
NOT need enhanced embellishment .

Some folks believe to their dieing breath , the " malefactor " our Master said would go to Paradise , went
that " day " . Yet The Master didn't " ascend until Acts 1:3 . The Master said " I say to you today ... , ....
you will be with me ".

 

[ron4shua]

http://biblehub.com/isr/luke/5.htm

18And see, men brought on a bed a man who was paralysed. And they were seeking to bring him in and lay him before Him.

19But having found no way to bring him in because of the crowd, they went up on the house-top and let him down with his bed through the tiles into the midst before יהושע.

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0001420

1,,1430,doma>
akin to demo, "to build," denotes a housetop. The housetop was flat, and guarded by a low parapet wall (see Deut. 22:8). It was much frequented and used for various purposes, e.g., for proclamations, Matt. 10:27; Luke 12:3; for prayer, Acts 10:9. The house was often built round a court, across the top of which cords were fixed from the parapet walls for supporting a covering from the heat. The housetop could be reached by stairs outside the building; the paralytic in Luke 5:19 could be let down into the court or area by rolling back the covering. External flight from the housetop in time or danger is enjoined in Matt. 24:17; Mark 13:15; Luke 17:31.


Strong's Greek Definition for # 1430


1430 // dwma // doma // do'-mah //

from demo (to build); n n

AV - house top 7; 7

1) a building, house
2) a part of a building, dining room, hall
3) house top, roof
3a) the house tops of the Orientals were (and still are) level and
frequented not only for walking, but also for meditation and
prayer



http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/luke_5.shtml

5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=housetop&qs_version=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke 5:19

 

[Meowzltov]

Where were " NO " public upper rooms in the Temple !
.

Thank you. I suspect as much also, but have nothing to back it up.

 

[ron4shua]

http://biblehub.com/isr/matthew/10.htm

27“What I say to you in the dark, speak in the light. And what you hear in the ear,
proclaim on the HOUSE-TOPS . ( social gatherings)

 

[ron4shua]

http://biblehub.com/isr/matthew/24.htm

17“Let him who is on the house-top not come down to take whatever out of his house.

http://biblehub.com/isr/mark/13.htm

15“And he who is on the house-top, let him not go down into the house, nor come in to take whatever out of his house.

http://biblehub.com/isr/luke/17.htm

31“In that day, he who shall be on the house-top, and his goods in the house, let him not come down to take them away.

And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back.

 

[Elihoenai]

Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place”

Where was that one place? Many say that they received the outpouring Spirit on Pentecost in the upper room of Acts

John 10:30 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

30 I and the Father are one.'


John 14:3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

3 and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;

Since the disciples were in Jerusalem, they could not fail to go up to the Temple. The disciples met every day in the Temple where they worshiped God continuously.

Luk 24:52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

John 2:18-19 King James Version (KJV)

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.



Matthew 21:12-13 King James Version (KJV)

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.



1 Thessalonians 5:17 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

17 continually pray ye;

 

[Elihoenai]

http://biblehub.com/isr/matthew/24.htm

17“Let him who is on the house-top not come down to take whatever out of his house.

http://biblehub.com/isr/mark/13.htm

15“And he who is on the house-top, let him not go down into the house, nor come in to take whatever out of his house.

http://biblehub.com/isr/luke/17.htm

31“In that day, he who shall be on the house-top, and his goods in the house, let him not come down to take them away.

And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back.

1 Kings 18:21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

21 and Elijah cometh nigh unto all the people, and saith, `Till when are ye leaping on the two branches? -- if Jehovah [is] God, go after Him; and if Baal, go after him;' and the people have not answered him a word.



Mark 3:24-25 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 and if a kingdom against itself be divided, that kingdom cannot be made to stand;

25 and if a house against itself be divided, that house cannot be made to stand;

 

[visionary]

In obedience, the fulfillment of symbolic feast prophecy was fulfilled at the temple with the descent upon the disciples as Yeshua promised. Yeshua never said stay in the upper room, all Yeshua said was stay in Jerusalem.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

 

[pinacled]

1 Kings 18:21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

21 and Elijah cometh nigh unto all the people, and saith, `Till when are ye leaping on the two branches? -- if Jehovah [is] God, go after Him; and if Baal, go after him;' and the people have not answered him a word.



Mark 3:24-25 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 and if a kingdom against itself be divided, that kingdom cannot be made to stand;

25 and if a house against itself be divided, that house cannot be made to stand;

2 branches


Ephraim and Judah
The Bow for sowing seeds.
Isaiah 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf(Benjamin) also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

 

[Dave-W]

Elihoenai, Pinacled;
Are you both trying to take this discussion in another direction? If so, then start a new thread. -OR- re-read the OP and give us your opinion as to where the events of Acts 2 took place - in the upper room that housed the Last supper, the Temple, or some other location - and please give us your reasons for believing so.

 

[visionary]

Elihoenai, Pinacled;
Are you both trying to take this discussion in another direction? If so, then start a new thread. -OR- re-read the OP and give us your opinion as to where the events of Acts 2 took place - in the upper room that housed the Last supper, the Temple, or some other location - and please give us your reasons for believing so.

Thank you... rabbit trails are not fun.