Pence for President?

[Whyayeman]

I think he took it because he was invited by Trump. He knew it was the nearest he would get to power. (And it is no small thing.)

 

[cow451]

Pence preps for potential 2024 presidential run amid rocky headlines about relationship with Trump - CNNPolitics

I'm sure there are others sources suggesting/saying this but I'm lazy and just wanted to throw something up.

What are your thoughts on this?

Me?
I LOVE it!
My prediction:
Trump, who apparently has fallen away from being a Pence fan, is certainly going to think that he will be more popular than that nobody Pence. He is not going to step down and will have a run off to head the republicans and then he'll try to rip the party apart if/when he loses that. He's going to make as big a mess as possible. It's gonna get ugly and stupid and I CANNOT WAIT to see what happens there. Trump makes good entertainment but the reason why I can't wait is because
1) I'm CONVINCED that he will not get into power again
2) He's going to go torched earth because he's a vindictive narcissist.

I've been pretty solid with my predictions about Trump's behaviour through his presidency. I mean, half the time he tells you or shows you why he's so awful. Maybe I (and many others) are just actually paying attention to him.

Pence is too weak.

 

[Whyayeman]

Is it weak to turn against Trump? It took nearly four years, but in the end he did it. A remarkable number of Republicans still have not plucked up the courage to do the same.

Just saying.

 

[cow451]

Is it weak to turn against Trump? It took nearly four years, but in the end he did it. A remarkable number of Republicans still have not plucked up the courage to do the same.

Just saying.

Pence did the minimum to avoid prison. Otherwise he has been very quiet about his former boss. That makes him weak.

 

[98cwitr]

Is it weak to turn against Trump? It took nearly four years, but in the end he did it. A remarkable number of Republicans still have not plucked up the courage to do the same.

Just saying.

If the definition of courage is to bend the knee to the oligarchical establishment and to hand them all the power in spite of any semblance of liberty hanging on by a thread, I never want that flavor of courage.

This is more about principle than it is rallying behind a populist leader, albeit when you find one who won't cave, you maintain that support. This is demonstrated in support of other populists in the house and senate too.

 

[cow451]

If the definition of courage is to bend the knee to the oligarchical establishment and to hand them all the power in spite of any semblance of liberty hanging on by a thread, I never want that flavor of courage.

This is more about principle than it is rallying behind a populist leader, albeit when you find one who won't cave, you maintain that support. This is demonstrated in support of other populists in the house and senate too.

For clarity, is Pence weak or courageous? It's a bit hard to tell from your post.

 

[TLK Valentine]

For clarity, is Pence weak or courageous? It's a bit hard to tell from your post.

Turning against Donald, in and of itself, does not make one courageous... especially if it's long overdue.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is it weak to turn against Trump? It took nearly four years, but in the end he did it. A remarkable number of Republicans still have not plucked up the courage to do the same.

Just saying.

Is it courage or merely ambition? They all want for themselves the same breathless devotion that Donald inspired.

When Donald was a means to that end, he was useful... now he's in the way. Pence is just the first to figure that out.

I suspect McConnell is getting the hint, too: Trump seeking challenger to McConnell as Senate GOP leader: report

 

[Whyayeman]

It is comparative, I dare say. If Pence standing up to Trump is weak, what is caving in to him, as so many Senators have done?

But it really does not matter. He will never be President.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is comparative, I dare say. If Pence standing up to Trump is weak, what is caving in to him, as so many Senators have done?

"Business as usual."

 

[Larniavc]

Pence preps for potential 2024 presidential run amid rocky headlines about relationship with Trump - CNNPolitics

I'm sure there are others sources suggesting/saying this but I'm lazy and just wanted to throw something up.

What are your thoughts on this?

Me?
I LOVE it!
My prediction:
Trump, who apparently has fallen away from being a Pence fan, is certainly going to think that he will be more popular than that nobody Pence. He is not going to step down and will have a run off to head the republicans and then he'll try to rip the party apart if/when he loses that. He's going to make as big a mess as possible. It's gonna get ugly and stupid and I CANNOT WAIT to see what happens there. Trump makes good entertainment but the reason why I can't wait is because
1) I'm CONVINCED that he will not get into power again
2) He's going to go torched earth because he's a vindictive narcissist.

I've been pretty solid with my predictions about Trump's behaviour through his presidency. I mean, half the time he tells you or shows you why he's so awful. Maybe I (and many others) are just actually paying attention to him.

What if the head of state he visits is a lady?

 

[Aldebaran]

It is comparative, I dare say. If Pence standing up to Trump is weak, what is caving in to him, as so many Senators have done?

But it really does not matter. He will never be President.

He didn't stand up to Trump. He caved to the democrats who hated Trump. Now he fits right in with the "popular" crowd.
No real courage needed to do that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

He didn't stand up to Trump. He caved to the democrats who hated Trump.

By doing what, exactly? When exactly was his moment of "caving"?

(not disagreeing with you, per se... just asking to clarify the moment...)

 

[cow451]

He didn't stand up to Trump. He caved to the democrats who hated Trump. Now he fits right in with the "popular" crowd.
No real courage needed to do that.

What is it he was supposed to do that wasn't sedition, if not treason?

 

[Pommer]

If the definition of courage is to bend the knee to the oligarchical establishment and to hand them all the power in spite of any semblance of liberty hanging on by a thread, I never want that flavor of courage.

Yeah but the alternative was Trump.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah but the alternative was Trump.

And a better alternative he was.

 

[Pommer]

And a better alternative he was.

Too bad he lost his re-election bid then.
If Pence had “chosen” the Trump path, (breaking our Constitutional method of transitioning power), he would have chucked the entire idea of leaders governing with the consent of the people.

 

[Aldebaran]

Too bad he lost his re-election bid then.

At least that's the popular narrative.

If Pence had “chosen” the Trump path, (breaking our Constitutional method of transitioning power), he would have chucked the entire idea of leaders governing with the consent of the people.

That wasn't the Trump path. What you're describing is a rabbit trail.

 

[Pommer]

At least that's the popular narrative.



That wasn't the Trump path. What you're describing is a rabbit trail.

Okay, so, let’s say that Pence “comes through” and halts the counting of the Electoral College Ballots…what happens then?

 

[Aldebaran]

Okay, so, let’s say that Pence “comes through” and halts the counting of the Electoral College Ballots…what happens then?

Then I'll congratulate him for inventing time travel and going back 8 months.