Peanut Gallery: The Immaculate conception of Mary!

[katholikos]

Your church is not consonant with scripture or the writings of early ecclesiastics. The idea that Peter was the first pope is a house-of-straw that collapses upon first inspection.

The Catholic Church is perfectly consonant with scripture and the writings of early ecclesiastics. The idea that Peter was the first pope is confirmed by scripture and early christian testimony


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRjhRRgzDo&NR=1

 

[MamaZ]

The Catholic Church is perfectly consonant with scripture and the writings of early ecclesiastics. The idea that Peter was the first pope is confirmed by scripture and early christian testimony


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRjhRRgzDo&NR=1

Funny to me that Peter never mentioned that he was anything other than a fellow elder.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Funny to me that Peter never mentioned that he was anything other than a fellow elder.

Not only that, Peter was a slow runner

John 20:4 Raced yet the two alike and the Other Disciple torwards-runs more swiftly of-the/than Peter and came first into the tomb.

Textus Rec.) John 20:4 etrecon de oi duo omou kai o alloV maqhthV proedramen tacion tou petrou kai hlqen prwtoV eiV to mnhmeion

Interesting thread here on the GA board

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7280823
If Jesus is YHWH, Jehovah of the OT, who are the 2 "lords" of Psa 110:1?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Well, MamaZ, you should know that Peter was modest to a fault, even to the point of not excommunicating Paul when Paul rebuked him to his face.

 

[lionroar0]

Funny to me that Peter never mentioned that he was anything other than a fellow elder.

Funny how Jesus never came out and said "I Am God."

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

Well, MamaZ, you should know that Peter was modest to a fault, even to the point of not excommunicating Paul when Paul rebuked him to his face.

funny how easy it is to caricature another belive.

Peace

 

[Uphill Battle]

Funny how Jesus never came out and said "I Am God."

Peace

sure he did. Anyone who properly understands the "Before Abraham was, I AM" knows that's exactly what he was saying.

 

[BreadAlone]

sure he did. Anyone who properly understands the "Before Abraham was, I AM" knows that's exactly what he was saying.

Thank you for beating me to it..

 

[lionroar0]

sure he did. Anyone who properly understands the "Before Abraham was, I AM" knows that's exactly what he was saying.

And any one that properly understands "On this rock I will build my Church" Knows that St. Peter is the 1st Pope.

Peace

 

[katholikos]

And any one that properly understands "On this rock I will build my Church" Knows that St. Peter is the 1st Pope.

Peace

But that is logical. There is no place for logic in CF. Haven't you heard?

 

[Uphill Battle]

hardly. The first mention of a Pope comes centuries later. Then, you cobble together the "well, that means every guy before him was a pope too." Scriptural record of Peter doesn't describe someone who believed they had authority over all the church.

 

[Uphill Battle]

btw, when is it claimed that Peter made it to Rome to start his role as supposed Overlord of the church? AD.....?

 

[lionroar0]

hardly. The first mention of a Pope comes centuries later. Then, you cobble together the "well, that means every guy before him was a pope too." Scriptural record of Peter doesn't describe someone who believed they had authority over all the church.

As I posted earlier with the proper understanding....

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

btw, when is it claimed that Peter made it to Rome to start his role as supposed Overlord of the church? AD.....?

I don't know what an Overlord is.

Peace

 

[Annolennar]

They have minions, dark towers, and plans of world domination.

Overlord

 

[MamaZ]

And any one that properly understands "On this rock I will build my Church" Knows that St. Peter is the 1st Pope.

Peace

Well since Peter did not Die for mens sin how can the church be built on Peter? And where is it ever stated that Peter is the Cornerstone?

 

[katholikos]

hardly. The first mention of a Pope comes centuries later. Then, you cobble together the "well, that means every guy before him was a pope too." Scriptural record of Peter doesn't describe someone who believed they had authority over all the church.

You apparently don't know what a "pope" is. The English word pope is a poor translation, from Latin: "papa" or "father", and from Greek πάπας ," pápas". It refers to the Bishop of Rome. We call priests and bishops father (see here: LINK ). Who came up with the word "pope", I have no idea. But he is the "Bishop of Rome." And the first mention of the Bishop of Rome does not come centuries later. The Bishops of Rome were traced back to Peter in early Christian writings:

According to Jerome in 383 AD:

"[Pope] Stephen . . . was the blessed Peter’s twenty-second successor in the See of Rome"
(Against the Luciferians 23 [A.D. 383]).

"Clement, of whom the apostle Paul writing to the Philippians says ‘With Clement and others of my fellow-workers whose names are written in the book of life,’ the fourth bishop of Rome after Peter, if indeed the second was Linus and the third Anacletus, although most of the Latins think that Clement was second after the apostle"
(Lives of Illustrious Men 15 [A.D. 396]).

And according to Eusebius even earlier, in 312 AD

"Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul [2 Tim. 4:10], but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothy [2 Tim. 4:21] as his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier [Phil. 4:3]"
(Church History 3:4:9–10 [A.D. 312]).

So why don't you actually state facts instead of posting error and misinformation

 

[lionroar0]

Well since Peter did not Die for mens sin how can the church be built on Peter? And where is it ever stated that Peter is the Cornerstone?

I never said he was the corner stone.

Jesus is the corner stone. A corner stone has information about the foundation. Such as who paid for it. Meaning who bought the building material. Who hired the workers and when was it built.

Peace

 

[MamaZ]

I never said he was the corner stone.

Jesus is the corner stone. A corner stone has information about the foundation. Such as who paid for it. Meaning who bought the building material. Who hired the workers and when was it built.

Peace

1. 1. A stone at the corner of a building uniting two intersecting walls; a quoin.
   2. Such a stone, often inscribed, laid at a ceremony marking the origin of a building.
2. An indispensable and fundamental basis: the cornerstone of an argument.

Literally, the stone placed at the corner of a building during construction. Figuratively, the item or person which began something significant.
So this is the rock that the Church is built upon not on Peter. For Peter didn't start anything but was a follower of Christ.

 

[katholikos]

1. 1. A stone at the corner of a building uniting two intersecting walls; a quoin.
   2. Such a stone, often inscribed, laid at a ceremony marking the origin of a building.
2. An indispensable and fundamental basis: the cornerstone of an argument.

Literally, the stone placed at the corner of a building during construction. Figuratively, the item or person which began something significant.
So this is the rock that the Church is built upon not on Peter. For Peter didn't start anything but was a follower of Christ.

A total misunderstanding of the Scripture.