Paul's words are not confusing. They are wrong.

[Foon Nerfdahl]

No, we question the implication you are making by hyperbolizing his statements (which you can't reproduce) as "begging", "greedy", "regularly", "pretended" and other self-serving phrases that are not part of the scriptural record.

Denial? Physician heal thyself!

Foon responds:

Hey, my health is just fine.

And, from your response I conclude that you DO NOT deny that Paul himself wrote in his letters about begging money from his followers.

Excellent.

Slow......but excellent.

 

[KCDAD]

Foon responds:Slow......

If you had read my response you would know your post is innappropriate. I deny the "begging" characteristic as well as the use of "greedy", "regularly" and "pretended"...
... I am also on record as doubting whether Paul wrote all the epistles (that means "letters") attributed to him.
So, to sum up... Foon loses and the good guys win again.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Your denials.......your doubts........

Mean you win?

Hmmmmm.........

 

[TScott]

I think there is a reference to Paul being a tent maker by trade.

Yes, it's in Acts where he meets Aquila and Priscilla who are also tent makers. He stays with them in Corinth for over a year, preaching around and making the Jews angry wherever he goes.

There is an interesting side story related to Paul's time in Corinth--may be worthy of thread if I can get it together to start one.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Somehow, it is somewhat less than believable that he was able to make enough money making tents so that he could live a life of leisure in his own house in Rome later on.

While the TRUE apostles (his enemies) were dying.

 

[KCDAD]

Somehow, it is somewhat less than believable that he was able to make enough money making tents so that he could live a life of leisure in his own house in Rome later on.

While the TRUE apostles (his enemies) were dying.

you are full of...
... dubious facts, aren't you?

Enemies? True apostles? Life of leisure? Earth to Foon... Earth to Foon...

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Your "facts" are equally dubious while having the added advantage of being wishful thinking......you WISH Paul was who he said he was.

You've been sold a bill of bads.

I can see it all more clearly because I am not a slave of tradition.

 

[TScott]

Tentmaking was a relatively lucrative trade in the first century middle east.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Dr. Fate, Paul`s words are not confusing, they are talking about man`s need for a Saviour, and I am pleased to read, that many on this thread do think so too. I say this with humility and kindly, Dr.Fate, your words prove to me again, how easy it is, to take words and meanings out of context. Paul is a very sincere follower of our Lord. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[elman]

Your "facts" are equally dubious while having the added advantage of being wishful thinking......you WISH Paul was who he said he was.

You've been sold a bill of bads.

I can see it all more clearly because I am not a slave of tradition.

You are a slave of your own agenda, your own wish for things to be as you think you see them.

 

[KCDAD]

because I am not a slave of tradition.

And of course you KNOW that Paul was not who he said he was... Do you EVER substantiate anything you write? Or is Josef Goebbels' "The Big Lie" your idea of getting your message out?

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

If you study extensively about Paul......his duplicity, bigotry, jealousy, greed and, last but not least, ending up rich and not dead like the real apostles are undeniably present in the evidence.

My conclusions are only logical.

 

[TScott]

If you study extensively about Paul......his duplicity, bigotry, jealousy, greed and, last but not least, ending up rich and not dead like the real apostles are undeniably present in the evidence.

My conclusions are only logical.

I've studied a lot about Paul and have found no evidence to support your statement. In fact, most modern scholars that I have read regarding Paul believe that the popular liberal view you hold is simplistic. Your continual refusal to back up any of your statements makes you out to be nothing more than a common troll on these boards. Is that your intention?

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

I've backed up my statements.

Have you backed up any of yours?

 

[TScott]

I've backed up my statements.

No you haven't. You've continually made statements like this:

If you study extensively about Paul......his duplicity, bigotry, jealousy, greed and, last but not least, ending up rich and not dead like the real apostles are undeniably present in the evidence.

..and have backed none of them up with sources when asked. All you are doing is stating your opinion.

And by the way, when people ask me for sources I give them. No one has asked in this thread. Do you doubt that there is a biblical source for Paul's making tents in Corinth?

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

I'm well aware that Paul said he worked as a tentmaker.

I told you that my source was Paul's own words in his letters. What more could you want? Surely you are familiar with his famous letters.

 

[micknick]

pauls letters make up a substantial portion of the Bible, and you seem to see yourself as an expert, yet you have failed to even specify which letter, never mind chapter and verse.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Why does that bother you? Can't find it?

 

[KCDAD]

My conclusions are only logical.

The only thing one can conclude about your conclusions is that they are YOURS.
You can not (or will not) support them with anything other than "I said so".
I'm sure there is a point to your obfuscation, but it is evident only to yourself.

 

[KCDAD]

Why does that bother you? Can't find it?

Won't look for something that I know isn't there...

Does that bother you?