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In the context of Paul verses Christ, in the OT circumcision was a prerequisite for entering int the covenant for the covenant begins with Abraham.

Changing Laws and times is how we recognize the beast, the anti-Christ and the false prophet, should these be different entities, who changed the Law, was it Jesus or was it Paul who changed the Law, or was the Law not changed?

Ga. 5:1, Paul calls the Law (covenant) a yoke of bondage, in Ga. 5:2, "I Paul says to you", 5:3, Christ will profit nothing. God said the Law was perfect, Jesus said the Pharisees made the Law a heavy burden, Jesus said the Law may not be changed, I assume he means the covenant cannot be changed, the OT cannot be changed. What part of the whole Law offended Paul, what part of the Law was a yoke of bondage. If Paul wrote Galatians chapter 5 and not some editor, then Paul is in error.
We must be careful while reading the Bible - we must always be conscious about what we are reading, written by whom, for whom, for what time, of the ambiguity of the text, its reliability, preservation status etc.

For example, you refer to the prophecy from book of Daniel and you:
- talk about us as if it was written to us and to our situation
- talk as if we are sure and agree about what was in the original text and how to translate it precisely
- talk as if we are sure and agree about what it means and how to interpret it

For example, I am not a futurist. So we have no common ground regarding eschatology.
 
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We must be careful while reading the Bible - we must always be conscious about what we are reading, written by whom, for whom, for what time, of the ambiguity of the text, its reliability, preservation status etc.

For example, you refer to the prophecy from book of Daniel and you:
- talk about us as if it was written to us and to our situation
- talk as if we are sure and agree about what was in the original text and how to translate it precisely
- talk as if we are sure and agree about what it means and how to interpret it

For example, I am not a futurist. So we have no common ground regarding eschatology.
I suspect you do not know what a futurist is, I certainly are not one. The Book of Daniel is the only book Jesus ever referred to by name. Daniel is the only book in the Bible that has timelines, some reaching to the time of the end and some to the end of time.

There are three isms, Preterism, Historicism and Futurism. Preterism and Futurism were hypothetical Thesis's presented at the Council of Trent by Jesuit priests, and one placed the Beast of revelation before and the second placed the Beast of Revelation after the time frame of the Papacy, showing that the Beast of Revelation could not be the Papacy.

Futurism was the thesis of the Jesuit Priest Ribera, when Dispensationalism came, I believe the plagiarized Ribera's Thesis and expanded the concept of futurism.
 
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I suspect you do not know what a futurist is, I certainly are not one. The Book of Daniel is the only book Jesus ever referred to by name. Daniel is the only book in the Bible that has timelines, some reaching to the time of the end and some to the end of time.

There are three isms, Preterism, Historicism and Futurism. Preterism and Futurism were hypothetical Thesis's presented at the Council of Trent by Jesuit priests, and one placed the Beast of revelation before and the second placed the Beast of Revelation after the time frame of the Papacy, showing that the Beast of Revelation could not be the Papacy.

Futurism was the thesis of the Jesuit Priest Ribera, when Dispensationalism came, I believe the plagiarized Ribera's Thesis and expanded the concept of futurism.
I said I am not a futurist. I do not know what exact eschatological category you think you are, but if you are talking about the book of Daniel to be for us or about our future in any specific prophetical way, then we do not have any common ground.
 
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Ga. 5:1, Paul calls the Law (covenant) a yoke of bondage, in Ga. 5:2, "I Paul says to you", 5:3, Christ will profit nothing. God said the Law was perfect, Jesus said the Pharisees made the Law a heavy burden, Jesus said the Law may not be changed, I assume he means the covenant cannot be changed, the OT cannot be changed. What part of the whole Law offended Paul, what part of the Law was a yoke of bondage. If Paul wrote Galatians chapter 5 and not some editor, then Paul is in error.
Brother, "circumcision" continues to be done by Jesus instead of humans. If you want to understand Paul's original message, it is best to set aside the human translators and focus on the original message, as presented in the following interlinear. Jesus "circumcised" us from disobedience in Judaism as a continuation of Judaism without the added human traditions, when we follow the obedience of Jesus' "Spirit," as our role model for us to not follow the disobedience in Judaism. Jesus placed what is written in stone in our hearts by "circumcising" us from disobedience in Judaism as a continuation of Judaism in us without the added human traditions in Judaism, so that we may fully obey what God gave and not what humans added that canceled what God gave, according to the obedience of Jesus' "Spirit" role model, what is written in stone. The "Spirit" that replaces the law in Paul's message about the Ten Commandments is Jesus and not the Holy Spirit as forced in some translations by the translators, by adding the word holy before the word "Spirit" when the word holy is not in the original message, because Paul is referring to Jesus as the "Spirit" and not referring to the Holy Spirit as an excuse to disobey the Ten Commandments that Jesus obeyed as our "Spirit" role model against the disobedience in Judaism.

In freedom (from sin), us Christ has set free (Christ being our sinless "Spirit" role model to copy); stand firm (follow Jesus' "Spirit" example), therefor, and not again (adding human traditions that canceled the word of God) in a yoke of slavery (to sin) entangle yourselves (as Jesus revealed in Judaism). Behold, I Paul say to you that if you shall became circumcised (by humans to join Judaism), Christ you nothing will profit (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism will not benefit you). I testify now again to every man being circumcised (by humans to join Judaism) that a debtor he is all the law to keep (because you have not been set free by Jesus from the human traditions in Judaism). You are severed from Christ (as the "Spirit" role model to follow), whoever in law (instead of Jesus as the "Spirit" role model to follow) are being justified (made right with God); from grace (Jesus as our High Priest) you have fallen away (gone back to the shadows instead of their reality in Jesus). We for, through Spirit (Jesus as our "Spirit" role model to follow) by faith (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism), hope of righteousness eagerly await (our growth in obedience as Jesus obeyed the Ten Commandments and not as Judaism disobeyed them by adding human traditions that canceled the word of God). In for Christ Jesus, neither circumcision (by humans) any has power, nor uncircumcision; but only faith (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism) through love (Jesus as our "Spirit" role model to follow) working. (Galatians 5:1-6 interlinear overload with commentary)​

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Brother, "circumcision" continues to be done by Jesus instead of humans. If you want to understand Paul's original message, it is best to set aside the human translators and focus on the original message, as presented in the following interlinear. Jesus "circumcised" us from disobedience in Judaism as a continuation of Judaism without the added human traditions, when we follow the obedience of Jesus' "Spirit," as our role model for us to not follow the disobedience in Judaism. Jesus placed what is written in stone in our hearts by "circumcising" us from disobedience in Judaism as a continuation of Judaism in us without the added human traditions in Judaism, so that we may fully obey what God gave and not what humans added that canceled what God gave, according to the obedience of Jesus' "Spirit" role model, what is written in stone. The "Spirit" that replaces the law in Paul's message about the Ten Commandments is Jesus and not the Holy Spirit as forced in some translations by the translators, by adding the word holy before the word "Spirit" when the word holy is not in the original message, because Paul is referring to Jesus as the "Spirit" and not referring to the Holy Spirit as an excuse to disobey the Ten Commandments that Jesus obeyed as our "Spirit" role model against the disobedience in Judaism.

In freedom (from sin), us Christ has set free (Christ being our sinless "Spirit" role model to copy); stand firm (follow Jesus' "Spirit" example), therefor, and not again (adding human traditions that canceled the word of God) in a yoke of slavery (to sin) entangle yourselves (as Jesus revealed in Judaism). Behold, I Paul say to you that if you shall became circumcised (by humans to join Judaism), Christ you nothing will profit (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism will not benefit you). I testify now again to every man being circumcised (by humans to join Judaism) that a debtor he is all the law to keep (because you have not been set free by Jesus from the human traditions in Judaism). You are severed from Christ (as the "Spirit" role model to follow), whoever in law (instead of Jesus as the "Spirit" role model to follow) are being justified (made right with God); from grace (Jesus as our High Priest) you have fallen away (gone back to the shadows instead of their reality in Jesus). We for, through Spirit (Jesus as our "Spirit" role model to follow) by faith (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism), hope of righteousness eagerly await (our growth in obedience as Jesus obeyed the Ten Commandments and not as Judaism disobeyed them by adding human traditions that canceled the word of God). In for Christ Jesus, neither circumcision (by humans) any has power, nor uncircumcision; but only faith (Jesus' "circumcision" of the human traditions in Judaism) through love (Jesus as our "Spirit" role model to follow) working. (Galatians 5:1-6 interlinear overload with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

There are many things that are not clear in my mind.

Concerning the Law and the Prophets, Jesus said that the Law and the Prophet (pretty much the whole Bible) may not be changed; Jesus never mentioned circumcision, had the lost sheep of Israel and Judah discontinued circumcision he would have mentioned it. You allow Paul to change the Law without blinking an eye.
 
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There are many things that are not clear in my mind. Concerning the Law and the Prophets, Jesus said that the Law and the Prophet (pretty much the whole Bible) may not be changed;
Brother, we humans cannot change anything because we are "blind guides" to the way out of sin as expressed by Jesus in the following passage.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

When we change something, as was done in Judaism by adding human traditions that cancel the word of God, as revealed in this next passage, these human traditions enslave us in sin that would otherwise have been removed by God's Ten Commandments had these human traditions not been added to Judaism.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)​
Jesus never mentioned circumcision, had the lost sheep of Israel and Judah discontinued circumcision he would have mentioned it.
Jesus did tell us about a change in who does the "circumcision" through Paul in Colossians. There are many things that Jesus told us through Paul that He was unable to tell us himself because we could not "bear" them at the time Jesus was with us. Jesus speaks to us by passing the message on to the Holy Spirit, who gives us the message guaranteed through the prophets and not directly to non-prophets where the Holy Spirit is silent as revealed in this passage.

There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can’t bear it now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. He will bring me glory by telling you whatever he receives from me. All that belongs to the Father is mine; this is why I said, ‘The Spirit will tell you whatever he receives from me.’ (John 16:12-15 NLT)​

Many have used the silence of the Holy Spirit to defend the human tradition of Sunday in place of the Sabbath when we need to find the truth of the Sabbath in the guaranteed word of God in the Bible and not demand that the Holy Spirit speaks to us personally what He has given us through the guaranteed word of God in the Bible to listen to in Hebrews, chapter 4.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​
You allow Paul to change the Law without blinking an eye.
Paul has not changed the law as many assume by not letting Paul define his own terms when he speaks of replacing the law with the "Spirit" as superior in Jesus' obedience as our "Spirit" role model, instead of Judaism's disobedience to the Ten Commandments written in stone. Paul can add things because he speaks as a prophet for God, called to give messages to the church in the following passage. However, he can not change what has been said by prophets before him or that would disqualify him as a prophet of God.

Now get to your feet! For I have appeared to you to appoint you as my servant and witness. Tell people that you have seen me, and tell them what I will show you in the future. (Acts 26:16 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, we humans cannot change anything because we are "blind guides" to the way out of sin as expressed by Jesus in the following passage.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)
When we change something, as was done in Judaism by adding human traditions that cancel the word of God, as revealed in this next passage, these human traditions enslave us in sin that would otherwise have been removed by God's Ten Commandments had these human traditions not been added to Judaism.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)
Precisely what happened when Christianity whored itself to the Roman Empire., taking the deal of the Tempter that Jesus turned down in the desert, abandoning the Kingdom to rejoin the world of man to be a tool of the state.
 
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Precisely what happened when Christianity whored itself to the Roman Empire., taking the deal of the Tempter that Jesus turned down in the desert, abandoning the Kingdom to rejoin the world of man to be a tool of the state.
Brother, happy Sabbath that began this Friday, March 28, 2025, at 11:56 a.m. EDT! Jesus' followers to this day behave worse than ancient Israel! Many desire a sinful king over Jesus' church, denying Jesus as king again after the Bible records the first time the people sinned by asking for a sinful king over the nation, because, as God tells us in the following passage, "they no longer want me to be their king."

Samuel was displeased with their request and went to the LORD for guidance. “Do everything they say to you,” the LORD replied, “for they are rejecting me, not you. They don’t want me to be their king any longer. Ever since I brought them from Egypt they have continually abandoned me and followed other gods. And now they are giving you the same treatment. Do as they ask, but solemnly warn them about the way a king will reign over them.” (1 Samuel 8:6-9 NLT)​

The Israelites acknowledged their "sin" after seeing God displeased with having replaced Him with a sinful king, only for history to repeat itself now with many desiring to this day a sinful king over Jesus' church, because, as God told us above, "they don't want me to be their king any longer".

“Now stand here and see the great thing the LORD is about to do. You know that it does not rain at this time of the year during the wheat harvest. I will ask the LORD to send thunder and rain today. Then you will realize how wicked you have been in asking the LORD for a king!” So Samuel called to the LORD, and the LORD sent thunder and rain that day. And all the people were terrified of the LORD and of Samuel. “Pray to the LORD your God for us, or we will die!” they all said to Samuel. “For now we have added to our sins by asking for a king.” (1 Samuel 12:16-19 NLT)​

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Ga. 5:1, Paul calls the Law (covenant) a yoke of bondage, in Ga. 5:2, "I Paul says to you", 5:3, Christ will profit nothing. God said the Law was perfect, Jesus said the Pharisees made the Law a heavy burden, Jesus said the Law may not be changed, I assume he means the covenant cannot be changed, the OT cannot be changed. What part of the whole Law offended Paul, what part of the Law was a yoke of bondage. If Paul wrote Galatians chapter 5 and not some editor, then Paul is in error.
Nope just your understanding.
But it isn't entirely your fault. It is what you have been taught. And Bad translations don't help the matter.
It is a Spiritual letter. In order to understand it you must be guided by God and you must start from the beginning of it. If you take chapter 5 by itself then yes what you believe is true, but it isn't isolated. There is more to the letter and context. Start in chapters 1,2 and 3.
 
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Amen to Jesus' yoke being easy :heart:

I think what doesn't sit right with most people as the ritual aspects of many of the laws

These things I remember, and pour out my soul within me, how I used to go with the crowd, and led them to God’s house, with the voice of joy and praise, a multitude keeping a holy day Psalm 42:4
 
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Amen to Jesus' yoke being easy :heart:

I think what doesn't sit right with most people as the ritual aspects of many of the laws

These things I remember, and pour out my soul within me, how I used to go with the crowd, and led them to God’s house, with the voice of joy and praise, a multitude keeping a holy day Psalm 42:4
Say what? Why not stop taking scripture out of context? Did David believe in the sanctuary?

Psalm 77: 13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Matthew 11: 25-29
25 ¶At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Then Jesus goes on to say:

John 15:
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Is this how you love Sabbath keepers? Are you willing to die naked hanging on a cross for Sabbath keepers because, as you know, Jesus kept the Sabbath. If not, He was a sinner and could not be our redeemer.
 
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Say what?
Gary, my man! You break your silence of over 4 months and my post is the one you respond to? Thank you!

How have you been?

Why not stop taking scripture out of context?
I just picked that scripture cuz it says something about a holy day, a ritual

I like to post things like that as a way of following Paul's guideline

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your heart to the Lord Colossians 3:16

Did David believe in the sanctuary?





Then Jesus goes on to say:



Is this how you love Sabbath keepers? Are you willing to die naked hanging on a cross for Sabbath keepers because, as you know, Jesus kept the Sabbath. If not, He was a sinner and could not be our redeemer.
 
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Nope just your understanding.
But it isn't entirely your fault. It is what you have been taught. And Bad translations don't help the matter.
It is a Spiritual letter. In order to understand it you must be guided by God and you must start from the beginning of it. If you take chapter 5 by itself then yes what you believe is true, but it isn't isolated. There is more to the letter and context. Start in chapters 1,2 and 3.
A prophet may not testify of himself, Jesus couldn't testify of himself, if I needed Paul for my salvation, it would mean Christ was not enough. It is not relevant whether Paul is right or wrong.
 
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Gary, my man! You break your silence of over 4 months and my post is the one you respond to? Thank you!

How have you been?


I just picked that scripture cuz it says something about a holy day, a ritual

I like to post things like that as a way of following Paul's guideline

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your heart to the Lord Colossians 3:16
What makes you think the Sabbath is a ritual? Nothing in scripture even suggests such a thing.

Exodus 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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A prophet may not testify of himself, Jesus couldn't testify of himself, if I needed Paul for my salvation, it would mean Christ was not enough. It is not relevant whether Paul is right or wrong.
A Christian lives, moves and has their being in Christ by God. As Paul said, not I but Christ.
But in regard to what you purport. The word of God is not one verse. Jesus also said in John 8:13-14. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
John 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

As was said you are misunderstanding Galatians because you are taking it out of the context of the chapter. One must understand what is being said in chapters 1-3 to understand the rest in it's proper perspective.
 
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What makes you think the Sabbath is a ritual? Nothing in scripture even suggests such a thing.
A ritual is... A ceremony in which the actions and wording follow a prescribed form and order


Example of an action, going to a synagogue

Prescribed order, every 7th Day

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It will happen that everyone who is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of everything, and to keep the feast of booths Zechariah 14:16
 
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A ritual is... A ceremony in which the actions and wording follow a prescribed form and order


Example of an action, going to a synagogue

Prescribed order, every 7th Day

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It will happen that everyone who is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of everything, and to keep the feast of booths Zechariah 14:16
So, where does the Bible say the Sabbath is a rite or a ceremony? And you're going to quote Jesus enemies, responsible for crucifying Him, as your authority?

I also really "like" how you ignored my question on if you would hang naked on a cross for a Sabbath keeper.

So is truth telling a "rite"? The Bible commands it all throughout the OT just as there is no scripture in the entire Bible saying Sunday is the Sabbath.

Proverbs 13: 22 22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.
 
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So, where does the Bible say the Sabbath is a rite or a ceremony?
It doesn't, but neither does it say that it's not :heart:

And you're going to quote Jesus enemies, responsible for crucifying Him, as your authority?
Ya lost me there :)

Are you saying that's something I did do, or something you're expecting me to do?

I also really "like" how you ignored my question on if you would hang naked on a cross for a Sabbath keeper.
I'm not going to try to answer all your questions in a single post :heart:

If you'd like to pick one, I'll be glad to respond, if the Lord wills

And let's make an attempt to stay within the thread topic :heart:

Let's put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness :musicnotes: Isaiah 61

So is truth telling a "rite"? The Bible commands it all throughout the OT just as there is no scripture in the entire Bible saying Sunday is the Sabbath.
 
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It doesn't, but neither does it say that it's not :heart:


Ya lost me there :)

Are you saying that's something I did do, or something you're expecting me to do?


I'm not going to try to answer all your questions in a single post :heart:

If you'd like to pick one, I'll be glad to respond, if the Lord wills

And let's make an attempt to stay within the thread topic :heart:

Let's put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness :musicnotes: Isaiah 61
It's just like you to avoid the hard questions I ask you as they expose your dishonesty.
 
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It's just like you to avoid the hard questions I ask you as they expose your dishonesty.
I'm not avoiding, as I said regarding questions

If you'd like to pick one, I'll be glad to respond, if the Lord wills
Would you like to ask a follow-up question to #836? If not, please ask another question :heart:

A friend I have called Jesus, Whose love is strong and true,
And never fails howe’er ’tis tried, no matter what I do;
I sinned against this love of His, but when I knelt to pray,
Confessing all my guilt to Him, the sin-clouds rolled away - Edna Worrell
 
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