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How could have they kept something that did not exist yet?
The Sabbath started at Creation thus saith the Lord. Exo 20:11 made for man thus saith the Lord Mark 2:27 man was made on the sixth day before the very first Sabbath. Gen 2:1-3Do you realize this is God speaking here and God writing? God said Remember in the Sabbath commandment because it already happened, not something brand new. The Israelites were already keeping the Sabbath before God wrote the Ten Commandments because God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12

I did not say they are not part of the scripture, I just said the Mosaic Law came long after Abraham.

Can you please share where God identified His Ten Commandments as the commandments of Moses? I think this is where people just do not understand the difference between the Ten Commandments that God wrote and all the other laws that Moses wrote in a book that were added because of transgression for breaking God’s holy and eternal law. All kings have laws to govern by, Jesus is not only our Savior, He is also our King and He did not leave it up to man to write His holy, perfect and eternal law that is in His Temple Rev 11:19. The law man will be judged by regardless if one accepts it or not James 2:11-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 14:7 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30

God called the Ten Commandments "My commandments". Never once called the commandments of Moses. Do you think Moses the creation is God the Creator because I do not see Moses taking credit for God's work here

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments;and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me(God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses didn't even take credit for God's work.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Folks there is no greater authority than God. We can either follow the popular traditions of man that Jesus said leads one to a ditch Mat 15:3-14 or trust God that He knows what He is doing starting from Creation.
 
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Where is the verse for this? I see your words, not God’s Gen 26:5

So ignore what the Creator of the Universe said and divinely wrote Exo 20:11 as being “not significant”” noted

I prefer what Jesus said: Mat 2:27 the Sabbath was made for man and man was made on the sixth day Gen 1:26 before the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 God hallowed the Sabbath at Creation, man was made in His likeness, did Adam and Eve not spend the Sabbath with God at Creation but rebelled instead?

The Sabbath is, not was a reminder of Creation so we remember who Created us and who re-Creates us in His image what the Sabbath is both a sign and reminder of Eze 20:20 Eze 20:12 Exo 20:11

Yes, and to be taught generation after generation after generation and before Israel entered into Canaan and those promises and curses are still valid today Rev 22:14-15.

I see a lot of “you” and not what God said. I choose to believe what Jesus told us to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 That’s a lot of thus saith the Lords one has to ignore to come to the conclusion we do not have to keep God’s Sabbath commandment. I understand the teachings of Jesus is not for everyone, it wasn’t in His time either. It’s all about faith and choices, who are we to listen to.
if I may add;
Jhn 3:31 The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all.

Jhn 3:32 He testifies to what He has seen and heard, yet no one accepts His testimony.

Jhn 3:33 Whoever accepts His testimony has certified that God is truthful.

Jhn 3:34 For the One whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

Jhn 3:35 The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in His hands.

Jhn 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
 
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Colossians 2: Paul's Opening and Closing Statements

Paul makes a powerful opening statement in Colossians.

Colossians 2:1-9 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
It's almost as if Paul knew his words would be misinterpreted.
  • Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22)
  • Lest any man should beguile you with enticing words
    • Beware lest any man spoil you...
      • Through philosophy ...
      • ... after the tradition of men (Matthew 15:3-9)...
      • ... after the rudiments of the world (1 John 2:15)...
      • ... and not after Christ
  • Walk in Him
    • Steadfastness in the faith of Christ
    • Established in the faith as you have been taught
      • Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Paul continues, leading up to the passage which is the subject of this thread...

Colossians 2:10-13 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
  • What is sin?
    • 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  • What is being dead to sin?
    • Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
  • What is being risen with Him?
    • Romans 6:9-12 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
In the leadup to verses 14-17, Paul is warning against every avenue that would cause misinterpretation of what he is about to write. Let's quote verse 13 again, in the context of verses 1-13, and then into 14.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul just established the faith of Jesus and the keeping of the commandments, only to tear it down in verses 14-17? God forbid!
  • Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ...
  • ... that was against us
    • Deuteronomy 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.
    • Deuternominy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
  • Nailing it to his cross
And in the context of the handwriting of ordinances, the book of the law, the one that Moses wrote and gave to the Levi priests...

Colossians 2:15-17 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul doesn't leave us there. Look at what he writes afterward. He doubles down on commandment keeping and not falling into the very things he opened the chapter with. And he also makes it clear he is talking about ordinances.

Colossians 2:18-23 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Conclusion

Given the full context of the chapter, it cannot be said whatsoever that Paul negated the Sabbath commandment in Colossians 2:14-17, when he surrounds those verses with utmost evidence to the contrary, and establishes the handwriting of ordinances, not once, but twice, as the context of verses 14-17.
 
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Colossians: Paul's Opening and Closing Statements

Paul makes a powerful opening statement in Colossians.

Colossians 2:1-9 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
It's almost as if Paul knew his words would be misinterpreted.
  • Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22)
  • Lest any man should beguile you with enticing words
    • Beware lest any man spoil you...
      • Through philosophy ...
      • ... after the tradition of men (Matthew 15:3-9)...
      • ... after the rudiments of the world (1 John 2:15)...
      • ... and not after Christ
  • Walk in Him
    • Steadfastness in the faith of Christ
    • Established in the faith as you have been taught
      • Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Paul continues, leading up to the passage which is the subject of this thread...

Colossians 2:10-13 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
  • What is sin?
    • 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  • What is being dead to sin?
    • Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
  • What is being risen with Him?
    • Romans 6:9-12 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
In the leadup to verses 14-17, Paul is warning against every avenue that would cause misinterpretation of what he is about to write. Let's quote verse 13 again, in the context of verses 1-13, and then into 14.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul just established the faith of Jesus and the keeping of the commandments, only to tear it down in verses 14-17? God forbid!
  • Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ...
  • ... that was against us
    • Deuteronomy 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.
    • Deuternominy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
  • Nailing it to the cross
And in the context of the handwriting of ordinances, the book of the law, the one that Moses wrote and gave to the Levi priests...

Colossians 2:15-17 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul doesn't leave us there. Look at what he writes afterward. He doubles down on commandment keeping and not falling into the very things he opened the chapter with. And he also makes it clear he is talking about ordinances.

Colossians 2:18-23 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Conclusion

Given the full context of the chapter, it cannot be said whatsoever that Paul negated the Sabbath commandment in Colossians 2:14-17, when he surrounds those verses with utmost evidence to the contrary, and establishes the handwriting of ordinances not once, but twice, as the context of verses 14-17.
Thank you for such a great post. This understanding of scriptures harmonizes with the teachings of Jesus and Creation.
 
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The Israelites were already keeping the Sabbath
Where in the Scripture do you see God's people keeping Sabbath before the 10 commandments?
God called the Ten Commandments "My commandments". Never once called the commandments of Moses. Do you think Moses the creation is God the Creator because I do not see Moses taking credit for God's work here
Who said the 10 commandments were created by Moses? 10 commandments were given to Moses and to present them to Israel. That's why it is called the Mosaic Law. Not because Moses created it. Same with Abrahamic covenant, same with Davidic commandment.

Paul taught in Romans 15:4 that keeping the Sabbath was a matter of Christian liberty. The Jerusalem Council also did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. Furthermore, Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but never about breaking the Sabbath.
 
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Where in the Scripture do you see God's people keeping Sabbath before the 10 commandments?
Where does it show they weren’t? The Sabbath started at Creation, Abraham kept God’s commandments Gen 26:5, the Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord.
Who said the 10 commandments were created by Moses? 10 commandments were given to Moses and to present them to Israel. That's why it is called the Mosaic Law. Not because Moses created it. Same with Abrahamic covenant, same with Davidic commandment.
Where does it say the Ten Commandments is the Mosaic law? God claimed them as His commandments. Not Moses In clear easy to understand scripture.


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments;and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me(God) and keep My (God) commandments

Of course Moses includes the Ten Commandments- God’s commandments are for God’s people of all ages because God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
Paul taught in Romans 15:4 that keeping the Sabbath was a matter of Christian liberty. The Jerusalem Council also did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. Furthermore, Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but never about breaking the Sabbath.
Romans doesn’t mention once the Sabbath and I would really consider how we interpret Paul’s teachings especially when going against a thus saith the Lord.
 
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Not Abraham, not Isaac, not Jacob, none of the patriarchs kept Sabbath. The first time the Sabbath is mentioned in some significant way is in the 16th chapter of Exodus, when God feeds the people manna from heaven as they wander in the wilderness.

This popular philosophy is founded on nothing but human assumption, in my view. There was no mention about offering to God sacrifices, yet both Cain and Abel, Noah and Abraham offered sacrifices to God. There was no mention of laws against adultery, but Amalek knew the wages of such behavior and feared the wrath of God against those who would commit adultery. There was no law mentioned which identified clean and unclean animals, yet Noah knew the difference before the Ark was even built. There was no law mentioned to Love the Lord your God with all your soul, and yet Noah and Abraham were both God's friends. There were no written, "Commandments, Statutes, Laws of God, but God said Isaac would be blessed "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.".

So your adopted religious philosophy that God's Sabbath Commandment wasn't known or observed because there was no mention of it between Gen. 2 and Ex. 16 is complete conjecture, and if all the evidence is examined, it is far more probable that the Patriarchs knew God's Laws, including the Day HE sanctified and made Holy and set apart at creation, than that God forgot to tell them about the Day He sanctified and made Holy at creation.

In fact, according to Scriptures, the only Law Abraham couldn't have been under, was the Levitical Priesthood. As Levi wasn't even born until years after Abraham was gone. This "law" After the Order of Aaron, wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham, and was to be in place, until the Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come, "After those days".

If you were to go and read the New covenant promise, you would find that there were 2 things that were prophesied to change.

#1. The manner in which God's People received God's Laws.

#2. The manner in which forgiveness for transgressing of God's Laws are provided for. You can read this for yourself.

Hebrews 7-10 speak exclusively about this Covenant that was prophesied to change.

Heb. 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

As it is also written:

1 Sam 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
 
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Jesus obliterated the sacrificial system, because He brought an end to Judaism - with all its ceremonies, all its rituals, all its sacrifices, all of its external trappings, the temple, the holy of holies, all of it, including the Sabbath.. The Sabbath observance went away with all the rest that belonged to Judaism. How did Jesus treat the Sabbath? Any way He wanted; absolutely any way He wanted.

He is the mediator, we know, of a new covenant, a better covenant. It’s important to notice that just as He obliterated the sacrificial system, He obliterated the Sabbath system.

“The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” He can do anything He wants with the Sabbath. He can institute it. He can make commands for restrictions. He can require death for violation of those commands, as in the Mosaic law. Or He can set it aside, totally. He can abrogate it. He can nullify it.

And there is the transition that is taking place in the New Testament. As Jesus arrives, everything that is part of the system of Judaism is coming to its end.

John 5 verse 15 says, “The man went away, told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
“For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.” Jesus would never violate the Ten Commandments. Jesus would never violate the law of God. He is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners. But Jesus did anything He wanted on the Sabbath, and in sight of the leaders in the doing of it, because it was part of bringing down that whole system. In verse 17, He goes even beyond that, and defends what He did by saying this: “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.”

This is a claim to be deity. “My Father and I are doing our work before your eyes. We are working.” “For this reason therefore” - verse 18 - “the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” He was calling Himself - He was calling, I should say, God - His Father, and continually involved in activities that violated Sabbath law.

The Pharisees charged Jesus with breaking the Sabbath law, making Himself equal with God, and this led them to kill Him eventually. Jesus never attempted to fit His activities into the Sabbath law of the old covenant. He established His own authority as one with God and as Lord over the Sabbath. The Pharisees were strict Sabbath-keepers. They followed the old covenant and embellishments to the letter; and yet they missed the whole point of the Sabbath.

They found no rest from their endless works-efforts at salvation. They found no real honest repentance. The Sabbath laws were mere shadows of hope, a weekly reminder that there was a paradise to be regained and it was through the means of righteousness. There could be rest from the endless struggle and the horrible burden of trying to earn your salvation. When Jesus came, He brought the rest, the true rest. The child of God is now a new person.

Under the new covenant, we are healed, and washed, and found, and accepted. We have entered into rest with none other than the Creator Himself. We have been given righteousness, and we rejoice in that gift. We cease all effort to earn our salvation. Jesus literally did away with the Sabbath. What about the rest of the New Testament? What does the New Testament say to the church regarding the Sabbath?

Hebrews 3 verse 7, “The Holy Spirit says, ‘Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tried Me by testing Me, and saw My works for 40 years.

“‘Therefore I was angry with this generation, and said, “They always go astray in their heart, and they do not know My ways;” and I swore in My wrath, “They shall not enter into My rest.”’” God’s true rest didn’t come through Joshua. God’s true rest didn’t come through Moses. God’s true rest comes only through Jesus Christ. Joshua led the nation of Israel into the land of their promised rest, and it was nothing more than a temporary earthly rest - merely a shadow of the final ultimate heavenly rest - my rest.

This is the promise of salvation that God gives to those who put their trust in Him. Verse 12: “Take care, brethren, that there be not in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called ‘Today,’ so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end, while it is said, ‘Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.’

“For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?” The whole generation died in the wilderness. “And with whom was He angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.” The kind of rest that is important for us is the salvation rest that comes by faith - by faith in God.

Unbelief forfeits rest. The rest that the New Testament writers are concerned about - even the emphasis in the book of Hebrews, which is a very Jewish epistle - is not upon a Sabbath observance, but upon a spiritual salvation rest. Look at chapter 4 verse 1: “Let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any of you might seem to have come short of it.” The rest that the New Testament concerns itself with is not a day of the week, it is salvation.

“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard. For we who have believed have entered that rest.” There is never a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath. All Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament - some numerous times - except the fourth command. It is never repeated in the New Testament, not one single time.

It was, in the midst of the moral law, a sign and a symbol to lead the people to rest and repentance. But when you come to the New Testament, there’s never a repeat of that command. The rest that the New Testament is concerned about is the rest that comes to the soul from hearing and believing the good news preached. That’s the rest the New Testament offers. Verse 9 says, “There is a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself rested also from his works, as God did from His.”

That’s so remarkable. What does that mean? There’s only two possible concepts about getting to heaven. You work your way in, or it’s a gift, right? For the Jews, they were working. But when you enter the rest of grace and the rest of faith, works cease. The day you came to Jesus Christ, you ceased trying to earn your salvation, right? You entered into permanent rest. This is just a magnificent New Testament emphasis. The Mosaic Sabbath - the symbol, the sign - was a dim reflection of the true rest.

Listen to Romans 14:5: “One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person is fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord.” There were Jews who had come to faith in Christ and had a hard time letting go of the Sabbath.

It was pretty much ingrained in them. They thought they were still obeying the Lord by maintaining old covenant Sabbath law. They observed it for the Lord. “He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, he who eats” - following the dietary laws - “does it for the Lord, he who gives thanks to God; he who eats not, for the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives thanks to God.” In other words, as verse 5 says, each person, fully convinced in his own mind, does what he thinks is right. It really doesn’t matter.

Verse 8 says, “If we live, we live for the Lord, if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.” Don't make an issue out of the Sabbath. As he says back in verse 2, some people are concerned about dietary laws. Some people are concerned about Sabbath observance. Those things are part of a passing scheme. And there’s instruction in the New Testament elsewhere to let these people develop their understanding of their freedom from these prescriptions; don’t force them against their conscience.

Jewish believers still felt compelled to observe Sabbath law, dietary law; let them do that, until they’ve come to the fullness of their freedom. What is remarkable about this is there’s no command here to do that. This would be a perfect place to say, “And those of you who aren’t doing it, shape up.” It doesn’t happen. In Galatians chapter 4 and verse 9: “But now that you have come to know God, or rather be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?

“You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, perhaps I have labored over you for nothing.” You have no obligation to go back to the calendar prescriptions of the festivals and the Sabbaths of the Mosaic economy. Turn to Colossians chapter 2. This is perhaps the most definitive, because it pulls two signs together: the sign of the Abrahamic Covenant, circumcision, and the sign of the Mosaic Covenant, Sabbath.

And in Colossians chapter 2 - of course, we know that circumcision has been completely abolished in the new covenant, totally abolished. Galatians 5:2 says, “If you receive circumcision, Christ is of no benefit to you. If you receive circumcision, Christ is no benefit to you.” - it doesn’t matter. “In Christ neither circumcision or uncircumcision means anything, it’s faith working through love.”

And so here, in Colossians chapter 2 verse 11: “In Christ you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;” - you had a far more dramatic surgery, and it was internal. You were “buried with Him in baptism, and you were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. You who were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.”

Set aside circumcision; if you hang onto circumcision, you make Christ of no effect. The sign of the Abrahamic covenant is gone, and that covenant passes away, because that covenant cannot save. And then in verse 16: “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day – things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

Don’t let anybody hold you to a Sabbath. And that’s referring to the weekly Sabbath, because the other festival Sabbaths are covered under the term “festival and new moon.” Don’t let anybody hold you to the Sabbath. It was part of the system that included the temple, the priesthood, the sacrifices. It’s gone. It was only the shadow, not the substance. It only pointed to the fact that God was the Creator, that paradise had been lost, that you had come under the terrifying judgment of the law and needed to repent and come to God and seek righteousness and mercy and grace at His hand.

But it didn’t provide that; that is provided in Jesus Christ. Paul is saying, you no longer need the shadow, you have the substance. You have the rest, the true rest.

There are no prescriptions or Sabbath rules anywhere in the new covenant. There is no instruction about behavior on the Sabbath anywhere in the New Testament. In Acts 15, when the Jerusalem council decided what would be required of Gentile believers in the church, they did not require them to observe the Sabbath. The apostles never commanded anybody to observe the Sabbath. They never chastise anybody for not observing the Sabbath. They never warned believers about Sabbath violations.
 
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Where does it show they weren’t? The Sabbath started at Creation, Abraham kept God’s commandments Gen 26:5, the Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord.
Sabbath was not commandant until Exodus.

Where does it say the Ten Commandments is the Mosaic law? God claimed them as His commandments. Not Moses In clear easy to understand scripture.
The point is, the 10 commandments came long after Abraham

Romans doesn’t mention once the Sabbath and I would really consider how we interpret Paul’s teachings especially when going against a thus saith the Lord.
I meant Romans 14:5, not Romans 15:4. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person is fully convinced in his own mind.
 
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Sabbath was not commandant until Exodus.
How do you know?
The point is, the 10 commandments came long after Abraham
Then how was it sin for Cain to murder Abel? Where there is no law, there is no sin Rom 4:15
I meant Romans 14:5, not Romans 15:4. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person is fully convinced in his own mind.
Still doesn't mention the Sabbath and still using Paul's writings to teach against a thus saith the Lord. I am sure Paul would be mortified by what people have done to his teachings.
 
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Then how was it sin for Cain to murder Abel?
Just because the 10 commandments did not exist, does not mean the definition of sin did not.

Still doesn't mention the Sabbath and still using Paul's writings to teach against a thus saith the Lord. I am sure Paul would be mortified by what people have done to his teachings.
Paul does not command us to keep Sabbath. Neither does anyone else in the New Testament. If we ought to keep Sabbath, it would have been mentioned in Acts 15. Romans 14:5 says any day, that includes the Sabbath.
 
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This popular philosophy is founded on nothing but human assumption, in my view. There was no mention about offering to God sacrifices, yet both Cain and Abel, Noah and Abraham offered sacrifices to God. There was no mention of laws against adultery, but Amalek knew the wages of such behavior and feared the wrath of God against those who would commit adultery. There was no law mentioned which identified clean and unclean animals, yet Noah knew the difference before the Ark was even built. There was no law mentioned to Love the Lord your God with all your soul, and yet Noah and Abraham were both God's friends. There were no written, "Commandments, Statutes, Laws of God, but God said Isaac would be blessed "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.".
Fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."

No one prior to the Exodus from Egypt (Ex 16) even knew about the Sabbath law: Ezek 20:10-12 "So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 "And I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 "But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness. They did not walk in My statutes, and they rejected My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; and My Sabbaths they greatly profaned."

God revealed "made known" the Sabbath law at Sinai, He did not remind them. Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant."

The patriarchs were instructed offerings: Gen 4:3-4, Altars Gen 8:20, Priests: Gen 14:18, Tithes: Gen 14:20, Circumcision: Gen 17:10, Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9. And yet nothing on Sabbath
 
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Just because the 10 commandments did not exist, does not mean the definition of sin did not.
Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, the Ten Commandments is God’s law so would be included Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30
Paul does not command us to keep Sabbath. Neither does anyone else in the New Testament. If we ought to keep Sabbath, it would have been mentioned in Acts 15. Romans 14:5 says any day, that includes the Sabbath.
God did, who is the Creator of Paul and everyone else. John 14:15. We can follow the creation or follow Jesus- Jesus said I am the way. Paul can’t save us, he only pointed us to Christ but was very hard to understand and misunderstanding him comes with some serious consequences 2 Peter 3:16
 
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God gave this command to Israel.
I would not want to miss being grafted into God’s Israel because thats where He gave all of His promises to, which also comes with His law. Heb 8:10 We do not get to pick and choose the blessings and skip the law. They work hand in hand. His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7

Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He isyour life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”

Rev 22:14Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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I think that what is being argued here, is about what is actually written in Scripture. For instance, God's Sabbath Commandment was founded on God's creation long before even Abraham was born, much less Moses.
So called "Five books of Moses" are Jewish works from around 8th century BC. Keeping the Sabbath is ascribed to creation in one version and to fleeing Egypt in another version.

All these books were written by Jews and to Jews. Including the creation story and stories about Jewish patriarchs. The creation in Genesis is mythological and a part of the Jewish national revival during Babylon. Its actually a polemic with the Babylonian creation story. Its not literal.

Therefore, Genesis is not a proof of any universal, non-Jewish keeping of the Sabbath or even of Jews keeping it before the 8th century BC. The world was not created in 6 days, objectively. Its just a symbolic, poetical creation drama, the book of origins, written to support the cultural and religious identity of Jews.
 
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The world was not created in 6 days, objectively. Its just a symbolic, poetical creation drama, the book of origins, written to support the cultural and religious identity of Jews.
Genesis 1-11 is literal history.

The world was created in 6 days. The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” means a literal, 24-hour period of time. A 24-hour period as indicated at the end of verse 31, an evening and a morning. A period of light and a period of darkness, that is to say, one revolution of the earth.
 
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Genesis 1-11 is literal history.

The world was created in 6 days.
Nope, its theology, mythology and legends, not history. The world is 4.7 billion of years old, there is no firmament, stars are not just lights in the firmament, there are no waters above the firmament etc.

 
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