Paul vs Christ?

[SabbathBlessings]

Many people use Col 2:14-17 as an argument against keeping God's Sabbath commandment but did Paul really contradict every thus saith the Lord in scripture, the very teachings of Jesus Christ who Paul proclaims he was a servant to.

Jesus told us to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting from the OT Mat 4:4 never did Jesus teach that Paul the creation was greater than God the Creator and to disregard God's instructions. Jesus commissioned the apostles: teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you Mat 28:20 So where is the thus saith the Lord we do not have to keep the Sabbath? All the thus saith the Lords tells us to keep.

We are told it can be a salvation issue on how we interpret Paul's writings 2 Peter 3:16 so would Paul really go against everything God said from Creation and Jesus lived and taught that Paul proclaimed he was a follower of Christ.

To try and connect Col 2:14-17 with the weekly Sabbath to be "contrary and against" is really an attack on the character of God.

God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 when God made everything according to His perfect plan. He worked 6 days, made man on the 6th day in the image and likeness of God Gen 1:26 Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Hebrew word for man here means Adam, the Greek word mankind, so if one is trying to connect Col 2:14-17 to the weekly Sabbath is essentially saying God made the Sabbath for man at Creation to be against mankind. What an attack on the character of God and contradiction on what God said the Sabbath was made for to bless and sanctify man and to show our loyalty to God..

Thus saith the Lord- Jesus told us to live by

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exo 31:13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.


Exo 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.


Exo 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

Lev 19:3 ‘Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and keep My Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.

Lev 19:30 ‘You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary: I am the Lord.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Is 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Jer 17:24 “And it shall be, if you heed Me carefully,” says the Lord, “to bring no burden through the gates of this city on the Sabbath day, but hallow the Sabbath day, to do no work in it,

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Eze 22:8 You have despised My holy things and profaned My Sabbaths.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Mat 12:18 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

Mar 1:21 Then they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

There is a way to harmonize Col 2:14-17 without contradicting the teachings of Jesus and God's instructions for righteousness. God changes not Heb 13:8. Jesus never taught we don't need to keep the Sabbath commandment through His teachings or His actions. He taught not a jot or tittle can pass Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2 as if anyone has more authority than God. We are living in the last days, God is calling us back to true worship. Worship the Creator who made everything Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11and gave us His life for us- the Sabbath is a sign between God and man Eze 20:20 and a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 we need God for everything.

 

[BobRyan]

Context for reading Colossians

• 2 Tim 3:14-17 – all scripture inspired and to be used for doctrine – scripture that Timothy studied as a child. (non-Christian Jew). So then Col 2 cannot be focused on ‘deleting scripture’
• Matt 7:1-4 – judge not that you be not judged – is not a new post-cross teaching
• Mark 7:6-13 – deleting commandments of God via traditions of man – is not approved
• Matt 5 – I did not come to destroy scripture (Law and prophets) but to “fulfill” (i.e. Ex 20:7 “do not take God’s name in vain” – fulfilled)

Col 2:16 -- Sunday keeping non-SDA commentaries affirming all TEN commandments even in Col 2.

From: Colossians 2:16 Commentaries: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Albert BARNES Commentary

Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, "of the Sabbaths." The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - "the Sabbath," it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as "a shadow of good things to come." These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation.

…

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

16. therefore—because ye are complete in Christ, and God in Him has dispensed with all subordinate means as essential to acceptance with Him.

“the sabbath—Omit "THE," which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on [2419]Ga 4:10). "Sabbaths" (not "the sabbaths") of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Le 23:32, 37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Le 23:38 expressly distinguished "the sabbath of the Lord" from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb 4:9, "rests," Greek, "keeping of sabbath" (Isa 66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Ro 13:8-10).

See also (Colossians 2 - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org)



Commentaries – at studylight.org English versions Comprehensive Overview of the Bible Commentaries available FREELY on StudyLight.org!

Adam Clark’s Commentary

Col 2:16

Colossians 2 - Clarke's Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Verse 16​

Verse 16. Let no man - judge you in meat, or in drink — The apostle speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing of ordinances, which had been taken away, viz., the distinction of meats and drinks, what was clean and what unclean, according to the law; and the necessity of observing certain holydays or festivals, such as the new moons and particular sabbaths, or those which should be observed with more than ordinary solemnity; all these had been taken out of the way and nailed to the cross, and were no longer of moral obligation. There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. As it is a type of that rest which remains for the people of God, of an eternity of bliss, it must continue in full force till that eternity arrives; for no type ever ceases till the antitype be come. Besides, it is not clear that the apostle refers at all to the Sabbath in this place, whether Jewish or Christian; his σαββατων, of sabbaths or weeks, most probably refers to their feasts of weeks, of which much has been said in the notes on the Pentateuch.



Interesting Spurgeon Sermon on Col 2 – Sunday deals with vs 15 but not vs 16 – and is titled this way : (NOTE: Sept 4, 1859 was a Sunday)

Col 2: Verse 15​

Christ Triumphant

A Sermon

(No. 273)

Delivered on Sabbath Morning, September 4th, 1859, by the

REV. C. H. Spurgeon

at the Music Hall, Royal Surrey Gardens.


=================================================
Very “special” fix for the Commandment found in the Expositor’s Bible Commentary as follows

The Expositor's Bible Commentary »

The Expositor's Bible Commentary – (TEB) (Editor - William Robertson Nicoll)​

The Expositor's Bible is one of the most-recognized standards of expository commentaries. It was written by twenty-nine eminent scholars of the day who were also full-time preachers. These writers also represent every important branch of Protestantism.

Colossians 2 - The Expositor's Bible Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

My Comment<<(After soundly condemning the weekly Sabbath and almost all OT laws/ceremonies etc …)

“A few words may be said here on the bearing of the principles laid down in these verses on the religious observance of Sunday. The obligation of the Jewish sabbath has passed away as much as sacrifices and circumcision. That seems unmistakably the teaching here…”

<< here is the “special rescue” attempted by the authors above because certain Bible details on this 4th commandment topic are glaringly obvious --

“ But the institution of a weekly day of rest is distinctly put in Scripture as independent of, and prior to, the special form and meaning given to the institution in the Mosaic law. That is the natural conclusion from the narrative of the creative rest in Genesis, and from our Lord’s emphatic declaration that the sabbath was made for "man"-that is to say, for the race. Many traces of the pre-Mosaic sabbath have been adduced, and among others we may recall the fact that recent researches show it to have been observed by the Accadians, the early inhabitants of Assyria. It is a physical and moral necessity, and that is a sadly mistaken benevolence which, on the plea of culture or amusement for the many, compels the labour of the few, and breaks down the distinction between the Sunday and the rest of the week.”

“The religious observance of the first day of the week rests on no recorded command (in the Word of God), but has a higher origin, inasmuch as it is the out come of a felt want.”

“The early disciples naturally gathered together for worship on the day which had become so sacred to them. At first, no doubt, they observed the Jewish sabbath, and only gradually came to the practice which we almost see growing before our eyes in the Acts of the Apostles, in the mention of the disciples at Troas coming together on the first day of the week to break bread…”

===================<< My Comments begin

That point above Reminds me of Mark 7 -- Word of God --- vs -- tradition

Acts 20:4 …he decided to return through Macedonia. 4 And he was accompanied by Sopater of Berea, the son of Pyrrhus, and by Aristarchus and Secundus of the Thessalonians, and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy, and Tychicus and Trophimus of Asia. 5 Now these had gone on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas. 6 We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and reached them at Troas within five days; and we stayed there for seven days.

7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. “

The non-Jews did not stay in Philippi – for the days of Unleavened bread… they went straight to Troas

Luke and Paul stayed in Philippi until the “days of unleavened bread” were over

In Troas they stayed for 7 days – and on the first day of the week they held a meeting lasting until midnight (Sunday evening is considered the second day of the week in NT)

It does not say they did this Sunday-Monday service weekly.

This would have been a great place to say as does the author above “although we have been meeting on Sabbath for worship – in Troas we decided to make a change to our weekly gathering”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Context for reading Colossians

• 2 Tim 3:14-17 – all scripture inspired and to be used for doctrine – scripture that Timothy studied as a child. (non-Christian Jew). So then Col 2 cannot be focused on ‘deleting scripture’
• Matt 7:1-4 – judge not that you be not judged – is not a new post-cross teaching
• Mark 7:6-13 – deleting commandments of God via traditions of man – is not approved
• Matt 5 – I did not come to destroy scripture (Law and prophets) but to “fulfill” (i.e. Ex 20:7 “do not take God’s name in vain” – fulfilled)

Col 2:16 -- Sunday keeping non-SDA commentaries affirming all TEN commandments even in Col 2.

From: Colossians 2:16 Commentaries: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Albert BARNES Commentary

Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, "of the Sabbaths." The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - "the Sabbath," it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as "a shadow of good things to come." These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation.

…

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

16. therefore—because ye are complete in Christ, and God in Him has dispensed with all subordinate means as essential to acceptance with Him.

“the sabbath—Omit "THE," which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on [2419]Ga 4:10). "Sabbaths" (not "the sabbaths") of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Le 23:32, 37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Le 23:38 expressly distinguished "the sabbath of the Lord" from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb 4:9, "rests," Greek, "keeping of sabbath" (Isa 66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Ro 13:8-10).

See also (Colossians 2 - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org)



Commentaries – at studylight.org English versions Comprehensive Overview of the Bible Commentaries available FREELY on StudyLight.org!

Adam Clark’s Commentary

Col 2:16

Colossians 2 - Clarke's Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Verse 16​

Verse 16. Let no man - judge you in meat, or in drink — The apostle speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing of ordinances, which had been taken away, viz., the distinction of meats and drinks, what was clean and what unclean, according to the law; and the necessity of observing certain holydays or festivals, such as the new moons and particular sabbaths, or those which should be observed with more than ordinary solemnity; all these had been taken out of the way and nailed to the cross, and were no longer of moral obligation. There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. As it is a type of that rest which remains for the people of God, of an eternity of bliss, it must continue in full force till that eternity arrives; for no type ever ceases till the antitype be come. Besides, it is not clear that the apostle refers at all to the Sabbath in this place, whether Jewish or Christian; his σαββατων, of sabbaths or weeks, most probably refers to their feasts of weeks, of which much has been said in the notes on the Pentateuch.



Interesting Spurgeon Sermon on Col 2 – Sunday deals with vs 15 but not vs 16 – and is titled this way : (NOTE: Sept 4, 1859 was a Sunday)

Col 2: Verse 15​

Christ Triumphant

A Sermon

(No. 273)

Delivered on Sabbath Morning, September 4th, 1859, by the

REV. C. H. Spurgeon

at the Music Hall, Royal Surrey Gardens.


=================================================
Very “special” fix for the Commandment found in the Expositor’s Bible Commentary as follows

The Expositor's Bible Commentary »

The Expositor's Bible Commentary – (TEB) (Editor - William Robertson Nicoll)​

The Expositor's Bible is one of the most-recognized standards of expository commentaries. It was written by twenty-nine eminent scholars of the day who were also full-time preachers. These writers also represent every important branch of Protestantism.

Colossians 2 - The Expositor's Bible Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

My Comment<<(After soundly condemning the weekly Sabbath and almost all OT laws/ceremonies etc …)

“A few words may be said here on the bearing of the principles laid down in these verses on the religious observance of Sunday. The obligation of the Jewish sabbath has passed away as much as sacrifices and circumcision. That seems unmistakably the teaching here…”

<< here is the “special rescue” attempted by the authors above because certain Bible details on this 4th commandment topic are glaringly obvious --

“ But the institution of a weekly day of rest is distinctly put in Scripture as independent of, and prior to, the special form and meaning given to the institution in the Mosaic law. That is the natural conclusion from the narrative of the creative rest in Genesis, and from our Lord’s emphatic declaration that the sabbath was made for "man"-that is to say, for the race. Many traces of the pre-Mosaic sabbath have been adduced, and among others we may recall the fact that recent researches show it to have been observed by the Accadians, the early inhabitants of Assyria. It is a physical and moral necessity, and that is a sadly mistaken benevolence which, on the plea of culture or amusement for the many, compels the labour of the few, and breaks down the distinction between the Sunday and the rest of the week.”

“The religious observance of the first day of the week rests on no recorded command (in the Word of God), but has a higher origin, inasmuch as it is the out come of a felt want.”

“The early disciples naturally gathered together for worship on the day which had become so sacred to them. At first, no doubt, they observed the Jewish sabbath, and only gradually came to the practice which we almost see growing before our eyes in the Acts of the Apostles, in the mention of the disciples at Troas coming together on the first day of the week to break bread…”

===================<< My Comments begin

That point above Reminds me of Mark 7 -- Word of God --- vs -- tradition

Acts 20:4 …he decided to return through Macedonia. 4 And he was accompanied by Sopater of Berea, the son of Pyrrhus, and by Aristarchus and Secundus of the Thessalonians, and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy, and Tychicus and Trophimus of Asia. 5 Now these had gone on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas. 6 We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and reached them at Troas within five days; and we stayed there for seven days.

7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. “

The non-Jews did not stay in Philippi – for the days of Unleavened bread… they went straight to Troas

Luke and Paul stayed in Philippi until the “days of unleavened bread” were over

In Troas they stayed for 7 days – and on the first day of the week they held a meeting lasting until midnight (Sunday evening is considered the second day of the week in NT)

It does not say they did this Sunday-Monday service weekly.

This would have been a great place to say as does the author above “although we have been meeting on Sabbath for worship – in Troas we decided to make a change to our weekly gathering”

I like the one from John Wesley too

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

 

[trophy33]

And here we go again, for the 100th time.

1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.

2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.

There is no real contradiction when on realizes that there have always been different rules in different times and places. And that the most of the Bible was not written for us. And that we cannot deliberately jump from verse to verse and put them together like a puzzle.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No where does it say God's commandments were for Jews only.

According to scripture they are for God's saints

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The topic of the OP is Col 2:14-17 and if the weekly Sabbath is against man in contraindication to what God said.

 

[trophy33]

No where does it say God's commandments were for Jews only.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses...
...The apostles and elders met to consider this question...
[The conclusion was:]
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
...The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
Acts 15

“The Law and the Prophets were until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it."
Lk 16:16

I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
Gal 5:3
- only those who are circumcised are obligated to obey the whole law

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses...
...The apostles and elders met to consider this question...
[The conclusion was:]
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
...The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
Acts 15

“The Law and the Prophets were until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it."
Lk 16:16

I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
Gal 5:3
- only those who are circumcised are obligated to obey the whole law

Can we please stay on topic, this is not about circumcision in the law of Moses. This is about the Sabbath commandment in the Ten Commandments that God claims as "My" i.e. God Exo 20:6, not Moses.

 

[trophy33]

Can we please stay on topic, this is not about circumcision in the law of Moses. This is about the Sabbath commandment in the Ten Commandments that God claims as "My" i.e. God Exo 20:6, not Moses.

Oh mine, Exodus is a part of the Law of Moses! There are five "Mosaic" books - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numeri, Deuteronomium

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Oh mine, Exodus is a part of the Law of Moses! There are five "Mosaic" books - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numeri, Deuteronomium

God's commandments are timeless for all saints throughout history Rev 14:12

If you would like to provide a thus saith the Lord where God said the Sabbath was against and contrary to man and told by God not to keep, please share. Lets not get off topic.

 

[trophy33]

God's commandments are timeless for all saints throughout history Rev 14:12

If you would like to provide a thus saith the Lord where God said the Sabbath was against and contrary to man and told by God not to keep, please share. Lets not get off topic.

God's commandments is a generic term. The law of Moses (including the Sabbath keeping) was not timeless and was not universal. Its all a part of the law of Moses written by Jews for Jews.

We have no record of Jesus or apostles ever rebuking any Gentile for not keeping the Sabbath or similar. And the NT is clear - Gentiles are not required to keep the law of Moses, as already proven above.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God called the Ten Commandments "My commandments" nothing generic about it according to God. Never once called the commandments of Moses. Do you think Moses the creation is God the Creator because I do not see Moses taking credit for God's work here

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me(God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses didn't even take credit for God's work.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

While our opinions are important to us, they are not scripture.

1 John 2:4 If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[trophy33]

God called the Ten Commandments "My commandments" nothing generic about it according to God. Never once called the commandments of Moses. Do you think Moses the creation is God the Creator because I do not see Moses taking credit for God's work here

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me(God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses didn't even take credit for God's work.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

While our opinions are important to us, they are not scripture.

So back to the topic- anyone have a thus saith the Lord that we are not to keep God's Sabbath commandment made for man and everyone thus saith the Lord?

Your quotes are from the Mosaic law. Every "you" you read there means the people of Israel, not you personally.

You will not understand what you are reading until you leave this ignorance about the context of what you are reading.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your quotes are from the Mosaic law. Every "you" you read there means the people of Israel.

You will not understand what you are reading until you leave this ignorance about the context of what you are reading.

You mean the same Israel God wrote His New Covenant to which also came with God's law now written on a better surface?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

I would not want to write myself out of God's covenant promise. God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 His version though faith and love which reconciles us Rev 22:14

 

[trophy33]

You mean the same Israel God wrote His New Covenant to which also came with God's law?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

I would not want to write myself out of God's covenant promise.

Partly same, partly different. The Mosaic Law was for physical Israel. Some of them accepted Christianity and became a part of the spiritual Israel (i.e. church). Most of them did not. Those who did not are not His people anymore.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Partly same, partly different. The Mosaic Law was for physical Israel. Some of them accepted Christianity and became a part of the spiritual Israel (i.e. church). Most of them did not. Those who did not are not His people anymore.

In God's Spiritual Israel which is what God's people are now and part of the promise still came with God's law per God. Heb 8:10 To claim God's Ten Commandments is not God's law is contrary to the teachings of God and Jesus.

For example

Matthew 15:3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

No where does it say in all of scripture we can break God's commandments. The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord written personally by God. This argument is with a much Higher Authority than I.

 

[Leaf473]

I say Amen to keeping the Sabbath - better yet fulfilling it

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians

 

[John G.]

"...if a person is put right with God through the Law,it means that Christ died for nothing!" - Gal. 2:21
"Those of you who try to be put right with God by obeying the Law have cut yourselves off from Christ. You are outside God's grace" - Gal. 5:4

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"...if a person is put right with God through the Law,it means that Christ died for nothing!" - Gal. 2:21
"Those of you who try to be put right with God by obeying the Law have cut yourselves off from Christ. You are outside God's grace" - Gal. 5:4

So listening to Jesus -If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 and if you abide in My love you will keep My commandments John 15:10 and following Christ's example 1 John 2:6 is cutting oneself off from Christ? Do you really hear yourself? You are putting Paul over the authority of Christ to countermand the teachings of Jesus with this interpretation. Please find one verse in Galatians that the law Paul is referring to is the Sabbath and where Paul has more authority than God.

 

[Leaf473]

It's important to remember what covenant one is in, and keep the commandments relevant to that covenant

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God said the NC was established on better promises Heb 8:6 and still has God's law just written on a better surface Heb 8:10. Should we believe God or follow man? Jesus answered this question. Mat 15:3-14 as did the apostles Acts 5:29