Paul the heretic??

[Gregory Thompson]

Now however the stowaway is socialism.

I would say it's a samaritan - pharisee divide you're observing on that angle.

 

[W2L]

I would say it's a samaritan - pharisee divide you're observing on that angle.

No. A Pharisee is the one who wants to impose laws that he himself wont keep. The Church has no business imposing tithes on tax payers. So the Christian socialist is more like a Pharisee than a good Samaritan. If he was a good Samaritan he would be preaching to the Church, not to the tax payers. However he cannot force others to give, he can only ask.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No. A Pharisee is the one who wants to impose laws that he himself wont keep. The Church has no business imposing tithes on tax payers. So the Christian socialist is more like a Pharisee than a good Samaritan. If he was a good Samaritan he would be preaching to the Church, not to the tax payers. However he cannot force others to give, he can only ask.

The good samaritan was someone who treated a stranger who was wounded and went the extra mile for him. The religious folk in the parable had no compassion on him, kind of like when Christians were known to add insult to injury and call AIDS the "gay disease" Religious Christian Organizations are seriously lacking in compassion whenever someone's way of living life is contrary to the moral teachings. There are of course exceptions, but they're usually called "liberal"

 

[W2L]

The good samaritan was someone who treated a stranger who was wounded and went the extra mile for him. The religious folk in the parable had no compassion on him, kind of like when Christians were known to add insult to injury and call AIDS the "gay disease" Religious Christian Organizations are seriously lacking in compassion whenever someone's way of living life is contrary to the moral teachings. There are of course exceptions, but they're usually called "liberal"

I'm not against social programs at all. I am however against the idea that Church can preach socialism if they are not also willing to force their own members to tithe. ITs hypocrisy.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm not against social programs at all. I am however against the idea that Church can preach socialism if they are not also willing to force their own members to tithe. ITs hypocrisy.

Socialism is a social construct in which everyone lays down their wealth at the apostles feet and God takes care of the rest. In the absence of apostles or reliable people to be given that much temptation, your analysis of socialism as a capitalist kind of reads like a protestant trying to understand catholic teaching.

 

[W2L]

Socialism is a social construct in which everyone lays down their wealth at the apostles feet and God takes care of the rest. In the absence of apostles or reliable people to be given that much temptation, your analysis of socialism as a capitalist kind of reads like a protestant trying to understand catholic teaching.

No, I just see the hypocrisy in preaching one thing and doing another. If the Church wants to force tithing on the Church first, then I would have less to say about it although I would still ask why we are forcing our Christian values onto unbelievers.

 

[lesliedellow]

Protestant theology wouldn't have spread around the world if it were not attached to the nations of europe at the time. One of the stowaway ideas from Europe was capitalism.

Really? How do you get from sola scriptura to the free market, just as a matter of interest?

 

[Colter]

There is one false accusation right there. Paul's ideas came from Christ himself as he was divinely taught.

I believe that's an exaggerated claim substantiated by disciples of Paul who idolized him. While Jesus was on earth he taught people directly, he taught his apostles who were often perplexed. The claim that Paul was reprogrammed into perfection, out in the wilderness or in a coffee shop in Damascus, by a divine encounter, is wishful thinking, unnatural. His focus on Christ as an atonement is a departure from the pre-cross gospel of salvation by faith that Jesus had hoped to impart to the Jews. The unhealthy veneration of Paul lead to making his words The Word of God.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I believe that's an exaggerated claim substantiated by disciples of Paul who idolized him. While Jesus was on earth he taught people directly, he taught his apostles who were often perplexed. The claim that Paul was reprogrammed into perfection, out in the wilderness or in a coffee shop in Damascus, by a divine encounter, is wishful thinking, unnatural. His focus on Christ as an atonement is a departure from the pre-cross gospel of salvation by faith that Jesus had hoped to impart to the Jews. The unhealthy veneration of Paul lead to making his words The Word of God.

Who is saying that?

Was not Paul, before he became Paul a Pharisee named Saul? Do you think a Pharisee did not know the Old Testament well enough after years of study? A Pharisee is a very educated man. Paul had more religious education and knowledge than any other Apostle. Paul could actually read and was rich as a Pharisee.

Now, whatever idolization you think Paul got by following Christ is an alussion that you've bought into. Paul was a hated man by everyone but the closest Apostles, Timothy and a few others. Paul had no pep rally's my friend.

Now when he was Saul, he had status, riches and was revered.
YOu have it backward my friend.

Read Acts and go find maps of Paul's missionary journeys. Paul stayed no more than two years anywhere. Paul handled all the arguments in the new churches. All the false prophets who brought false doctrine. Paul held up those churches and got executed and thrown in prison. Paul was beheaded for Christ.

Go read about how Paul would not take money from anyone. How Paul shared the gospel by day and was stoned and followed. By night Paul made tents.

You think God let the Bible become corrupted by whom? How many writer's in the New Testament are there?

 

[ewq1938]

I believe that's an exaggerated claim substantiated by disciples of Paul who idolized him.

Translation: "I don't believe what the bible says."

 

[1John2:4]

I believe those were the questions Pauls retractors were asking. In the same way God just is, there is also a freedom that is.

So God and Yeshua are they contrary to each other then?

 

[Colter]

Who is saying that?

Was not Paul, before he became Paul a Pharisee named Saul? Do you think a Pharisee did not know the Old Testament well enough after years of study? A Pharisee is a very educated man. Paul had more religious education and knowledge than any other Apostle. Paul could actually read and was rich as a Pharisee.

Now, whatever idolization you think Paul got by following Christ is an alussion that you've bought into. Paul was a hated man by everyone but the closest Apostles, Timothy and a few others. Paul had no pep rally's my friend.

Now when he was Saul, he had status, riches and was revered.
YOu have it backward my friend.

Read Acts and go find maps of Paul's missionary journeys. Paul stayed no more than two years anywhere. Paul handled all the arguments in the new churches. All the false prophets who brought false doctrine. Paul held up those churches and got executed and thrown in prison. Paul was beheaded for Christ.

Go read about how Paul would not take money from anyone. How Paul shared the gospel by day and was stoned and followed. By night Paul made tents.

You think God let the Bible become corrupted by whom? How many writer's in the New Testament are there?

Let the Bible be corrupted??? Get a clue, God let Satan mislead the entire world, he doesn't write Books, imperfect holy men do. But don't get me wrong, Paul was a great man committed to Christ, but I'm a disciple of the original Gospel. Jesus is my Lord, Paul was a human messenger of Jesus.

 

[W2L]

So God and Yeshua are they contrary to each other then?

Peter ate with uncircumcised Gentiles, contrary to Passover feast laws given to Israel. Solomon was rich and had many wives, contrary to Torah law for kings of Israel. Is that a contradiction?

 

[Colter]

Translation: "I don't believe what the bible says."

The Bible says lots of things, some of them I don't believe.

 

[1John2:4]

Peter ate with uncircumcised Gentiles, contrary to Passover feast laws given to Israel. Solomon was rich and had many wives, contrary to Torah law for kings of Israel. Is that a contradiction?

Not sure what you are saying

 

[W2L]

Let the Bible be corrupted??? Get a clue, God let Satan mislead the entire world, he doesn't write Books, imperfect holy men do. But don't get me wrong, Paul was a great man committed to Christ, but I'm a disciple of the original Gospel. Jesus is my Lord, Paul was a human messenger of Jesus.

So what do you follow then? Torah? THe gospel of (fill in blank)? What exactly do you follow?

 

[ewq1938]

The Bible says lots of things, some of them I don't believe.

I know, that's what my post communicated.

 

[W2L]

Not sure what you are saying

Yes. ignore it, your house of cards are crumbling like the walls of Jericho

 

[ewq1938]

So what do you follow then? Torah? THe gospel of (fill in bank)? What exactly do you follow?

Read his signature. He follows "Jesus of the The Urantia Book" which is a false gospel.

 

[W2L]

Read his signature. He follows "Jesus of the The Urantia Book" which is a false gospel.

I see, thanks